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SNP have chosen there time well and rode a wave of Nationalism, it'll be more telling next election - look what happened to SDP this time
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I'm sure there were many reasons for the massive swing.
Many people voted no on the strength of promises made, they have seen those promises watered down, sidelined, delayed and saw the SNP is the best party to keep WM to it's word.
Many others saw Labour go hand in hand with the Tories last year and Scots socialists won't forgive that easily.
Others see Labour in Scotland as a defunct party controlled from London and with no fire in it's belly any more, there's no need for two socialist parties in Scotland, the SNP have stolen Labours thunder.
These are all things I heard on the radio today on the various phone in programs.
Many people voted no on the strength of promises made, they have seen those promises watered down, sidelined, delayed and saw the SNP is the best party to keep WM to it's word.
Many others saw Labour go hand in hand with the Tories last year and Scots socialists won't forgive that easily.
Others see Labour in Scotland as a defunct party controlled from London and with no fire in it's belly any more, there's no need for two socialist parties in Scotland, the SNP have stolen Labours thunder.
These are all things I heard on the radio today on the various phone in programs.
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I certainly can't fault them (you) for that, we could do with some of that down here too !
But unfortunately, every party that has "tried it" has been labelled racist in the past by the bleeding hearts
I'll be surprised if there isn't another referendum, referendum, before the year is out, even though she has fervently denied it.
And to be perfectly honest about it, I'll not argue about that either.
I'd rather that, than her sticking her oar in Westminster politics, which in its self is a bit of a oxymoron
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To be fair, she said today that it would be 25, or possibly 100 years, before the next referendum.I certainly can't fault them (you) for that, we could do with some of that down here too !
But unfortunately, every party that has "tried it" has been labelled racist in the past by the bleeding hearts
I'll be surprised if there isn't another referendum, referendum, before the year is out, even though she has fervently denied it.
And to be perfectly honest about it, I'll not argue about that either.
I'd rather that, than her sticking her oar in Westminster politics, which in its self is a bit of a oxymoron
Once a generation is more than enough. How many times do we have to say 'No'? It's not as if we would be able to ask for a referendum to re-join if we ever do leave...
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The voters yes, the SNP no
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Maybe a change of heart then, but a couple of days before the election it was going to be put to the vote, to see if the natives wanted another referendum
within the "term" of the election.
Who knows how their minds work, if we did, we would all be politicians
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If the SNP lost the S part and stood in all the UK they'd do well and take more seats as their fiscal policy is as Bolshie as labour so they'd take every labour seat down South.
Still wouldn't have the % of the vote that UKIP plus Tory would have
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No, the majority of scots voted to stay in the UK by a not very wide 55%.
That 55% is spread accross 3 parties, not one. 45% votes to one single party out of 4 or 5 is easily enough to take a seat in a FPTP system.
In my seat they got 45% of the vote, taking the seat. 55% voted for a unionist party.
I'm hoping, along with many others, that this pledge of "extra powers" isn't delivered as these fruit bats don't get any more ability to muck things up more than they already have.
Plenty of us unionists would like to see the Scottish parliament dissolved and government from Westminster.
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That's just it. The SNP will wish to hold referendums until "they get the result they want" and then never test the idea afterwards just in case people realise it's a bad idea.
No independence referendum should happen for 80 to 100 years IMHO
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The SNP have already said they're not interested in holding another referendum unless something material changes they aren't stupid and know that only the most feverent of inependence supporters really want to see an immediate rerun.
We can talk about voting systems all day but the SNP won on the current voting system that was backed by the electorate at a referendum in 2011 it's hardly they're fault, until such time as there is reform all parties can only play by those rules and I cant see the Tories rushing to make changes toward PR....
The SNP surge in Scotland is for a number of reason, one of which is a desire by the Scottish people to actually see the extra powers delivered that were promised before the referendum not the watered down set of policies that was then included in the Scotland Bill.
We're also seeing a much greater political engagement in Scotland following the referendum campaign which can be simply refelcted in the much higher turnout across Scotland than England, people have woken up and aren't simply willing to blindly support a Labour party that has done very little in recent years but expect that Scots would vote for them, why should we?
We can talk about voting systems all day but the SNP won on the current voting system that was backed by the electorate at a referendum in 2011 it's hardly they're fault, until such time as there is reform all parties can only play by those rules and I cant see the Tories rushing to make changes toward PR....
The SNP surge in Scotland is for a number of reason, one of which is a desire by the Scottish people to actually see the extra powers delivered that were promised before the referendum not the watered down set of policies that was then included in the Scotland Bill.
We're also seeing a much greater political engagement in Scotland following the referendum campaign which can be simply refelcted in the much higher turnout across Scotland than England, people have woken up and aren't simply willing to blindly support a Labour party that has done very little in recent years but expect that Scots would vote for them, why should we?
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I must admit I haven't been following the details of that. What are the powers that were promised but not included in the bill?
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I'll need to dig it all out but there's a few bits, before the Referendum when Brown, Cameron, Clegg and Ed made The Vow they were promising various things, Devo Max or Federalism.. after the referendum the Smith Commission proposals were nothing of the sort and then the Smith Proposals were watered down even further for inclusion in the Scotland Bill that was published.
Personally I voted yes mast year but really I'd prefer to see Devo Max certainly as a first step and I think most Scots who backed independence (and a lot who voted no) would be happy with that too. I do fear though that UK politicians haven't grasped the gravity of this however, a new federal settlement could satisfy many Scots if they drag their heels then I feel we will be forced into voting for an Independence that we don't really want.
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There has been studies that show the vow had no impact on the referendum result.
I hate it when people say "the people of Scotland". When they really mean a minority of people of Scotland. But don't let that get in the way.
I know of no one that wants further powers devolved.
I am Scottish therefore I am the people. I want to see the Scottish parliament abolished forever.
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That's because the SNP played the whole YES campaign as 'The People of Scotland' and dubbed the NO campaign 'The Westminster Parties'
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Mmmmm, we'll see.
I guess when/if oil price goes back up substantially, that will be one `material change` the SNP will spout about.
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We'll have 5 years of the SNP and I'll bet all the leftie mugs that were duped into voting for them will realise what a mistake that was. Sturgeon won't go for another referendum this term and by the end of it I doubt they'll have the support they have now. They'll be seen for the bunch of megalomaniac dipsticks that they are. Pity people many didn't see it sooner.
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as steve said if they became the NP for the next election and moved south and into wales as well we could have jimmy crankies daughter as next p.m .probably do a good job of it to
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I think the only material change that would be likely to see a new referendum is if the UK votes to leave the EU, and if that was to happen, then I believe that would be the end of the Union.Mmmmm, we'll see.
I realise us 'southerners' (anyone south of Carlise) have become a little cynical, especially where politicians are concerned, and rightly so, but for me, Sturgeon seems to have caught the imagination of the scottish electorate like no other politician before her and I for one hope it doesnt end in tears.
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I think that's a fair point and one on which many people could agree regardless of their opinion of the SNP.
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Please do.
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Interesting article regarding PR on the Beeb site today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
UKIP with 83 seats.
I think in this election for the first time in a long time the right wing parties almost had a majority of votes cast, Tories and UKIP as opposed to the center/centre left who usually make up the majority of votes. I wonder if thats a political shift in the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
UKIP with 83 seats.
I think in this election for the first time in a long time the right wing parties almost had a majority of votes cast, Tories and UKIP as opposed to the center/centre left who usually make up the majority of votes. I wonder if thats a political shift in the UK.
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Or maybe a reaction in England to the rise of the SNP. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of English voters voted tactically because they didn't want a Lab/SNP coalition.
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And I am glad they did.
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Obviously you saw clearly enough to be left with one MP of your choice
You have no idea if I voted and if I did who I voted for. So don't make ill informed, ignorant assumptions.
That's my feeling too. I think once the euphoria has worn off and a bunch of inexperienced MPs get a taste of Westminster life things might change. I've also got a feeling there may be a clash of personalities between Sturgeon and Salmond when he steps back into the limelight in Westminster. One arrogant, power-hungry megalomaniac is bad enough, two is a recipe for disaster.
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Deliberately never mentioned voting but very cheeky to make your original comments on voting, if you didn't bother your backside!
On the other hand, if you did vote, your comments make it probable that you only have one MP of whatever party.
So all in all, what are you moaning about?
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Who's the other?
Every MP was inexperienced when first elected. With strong leadership, they will gain the relevant experience.
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Danny Alexander is starting a campaign group too, TheP45s
Their final "payment" could be quite substantial
They get one months salary for every year they have been an MP - up to six months salary, so six years as an MP gets you £35k
They can pay their "staff" - (I'd say wife etc., if I were cynical) plus other office/travel expenses for up to 2 months after Election day - up to £50k to £60k
There are a few other "expenses" that they can claim in the period they officially ceased to be an MP and Election Date ........
Then they may call in a few "favours" and start on their Consultants gravy train
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I only knew the approximate figures that's why I quoted £35k, I believe that it was more a few years ago, but things changed when there was a review of MP's expenses
There is also their pension 1/40th of their annual salary for each year as an MP ....... protected - not sure if it is indexed for inflation ....... but it is probably the same as a senior civil servant, but not sure ..........
(cira 50% of contributions funded by the taxpayer I believe)
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Damned disgrace he didn't resign as Scottish Labour leader!
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I agree, but I'm not surprised.
I'd imagine he'd have plenty to say if the situation was reversed and the other leader didn't resign.
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I think that the six months notice payment of up to £33,500 is fair ........ not sure if it taxable
If it is regarded as "compensation for loss of office" - £30k used to be "tax free" not sure if the rules have changed - as I'm a few years out of date, as with many things!
If it is regarded as "compensation for loss of office" - £30k used to be "tax free" not sure if the rules have changed - as I'm a few years out of date, as with many things!
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Whether I voted or not, I still have the right to voice an opinion, perceived cheeky, moaning or other wise. It's called freedom of speech, which is allowed in our democracy, as is the choice to vote or not without hindrance to said right.
My father alway told me, never tell anyone who you vote for (if you vote) and never let anyone see your wage slip. Both valid doctrines.
My point being the poor deluded fools that were suckered into voting SNP on a tidal wave of I'll judged nationalism will, within the next five years, realise what a huge mistake it was. Spungegun and her cronies have helped assign us to another 5 years of Tory misrule. At least the Lib Dems have been sussed as the bunch of limp noodle, jump into bed with anyone who offers a sniff of power, political prostitutes that they are.
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The SNP and Labour seats combined are not enough to match the Tories so this notion that the SNP caused all the bad stuff just doesn't wash.
Your statement about 'poor deluded fools' is incredibly insulting. 1.4+ million people exercised their democratic right to vote SNP, most of whom knew exactly what they were doing and why. You have no right to denigrate them for their choice just because you disagree with it.
Your statement about 'poor deluded fools' is incredibly insulting. 1.4+ million people exercised their democratic right to vote SNP, most of whom knew exactly what they were doing and why. You have no right to denigrate them for their choice just because you disagree with it.
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You're correct, you do have a right to voice an opinion, in our democracy which allows free speech, it just appears to me that it's ok for you to criticise/moan about/slag others, as long as they don't retaliate. Just my opinion, to which I'm democratically entitled
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You're correct, you do have a right to voice an opinion, in our democracy which allows free speech, it just appears to me that it's ok for you to criticise/moan about/slag others, as long as they don't retaliate. Just my opinion, to which I'm democratically entitled
I have no issue with folk 'retaliating' as you put it and I never suggested people shouldn't respond if they disagree or have a different point of view. Fine by me, it's what democracy is all about as you elude and I'm sure if you look at the definition of 'forum' it will feature somewhere there too.