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Well well I am a Yorkshireman working in Scotland on contract and wow is the talk a buzz...!

Guess Labour will be hiring a bus to collect up all there polititians.

wow
 
I think it's going to be very interesting up here
 
Isn't it just I think its good for the Country.
They was a lot of talk over the last few weeks in Erskine about people voting SNP.
 
I think this is the end of labour in scotland, the SNP will now be the party of the left for the scottish people. The LibDems and the Tories may win the odd seat but Labour are finished there for a generation .
 
Mr Bump said:
Well well I am a Yorkshireman working in Scotland on contract and wow is the talk a buzz...!

Guess Labour will be hiring a bus to collect up all there polititians.

wow
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I was thinking more of a council refuse truck for tories and lib dems too, it would be a shame to soil the seats on a perectly good bus:naughty::)
 
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frank said:
I was thinking more of a council refuse truck for tories and lib dems too, it would be a shame to soil the seats on a perectly good bus:naughty::)
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So how would you feel if I suggested we put all the Scots in England in a refuse truck and sent them back to Scotland? Not very nice is it?
 
It's the ideal result for them. Huge, undemocratic, majority but not enough to make a difference in Westminster. They can continue to play the "poor us" card and continue to blame the Tories for all their inadequacies.
 
dod said:
It's the ideal result for them. Huge, undemocratic, majority but not enough to make a difference in Westminster. They can continue to play the "poor us" card and continue to blame the Tories for all their inadequacies.
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58 seats representing 5 million people!
 
dod said:
It's the ideal result for them. Huge, undemocratic, majority but not enough to make a difference in Westminster. They can continue to play the "poor us" card and continue to blame the Tories for all their inadequacies.
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Not sure why its a huge undemocratic majority, all the other parties had the opportunity to win them, they all had candidates standing.

I cant understand why everyone is scornful of the Scottish democratic choice, because thats what it was, their democratic choice. They're certainly more decisive than the english with the SNP winning 56 of the 59 seats. That sort of certainty Cameron and Miliband could only dream of.
 
Overexposed said:
58 seats representing 5 million people!
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That's roughly the same as the UK ratio so not really an issue. The larger underlying point is that they have 95% of the seats with about 50% of the votes. Exactly what they object to in the UK electoral system.
 
jakeblu said:
Not sure why its a huge undemocratic majority, all the other parties had the opportunity to win them, they all had candidates standing.
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I suppose we could debate undemocratic and unrepresentative ;)
 
dod said:
That's roughly the same as the UK ratio so not really an issue. The larger underlying point is that they have 95% of the seats with about 50% of the votes. Exactly what they object to in the UK electoral system.
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Now I see your point and yes I agree but that is just endemic of the electoral process in this country and there seems to be little appetite to change it.
 
dod said:
That's roughly the same as the UK ratio so not really an issue. The larger underlying point is that they have 95% of the seats with about 50% of the votes. Exactly what they object to in the UK electoral system.
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UKIP got 13% of the national vote and gets 1 seat, the SNP gets 5% of the national vote and gets 56 seats. UKIP after Tory and labour received the next largest of total votes, but they've failed to get them in specific areas thus getting very little representation.

The SNP should be keeping quiet about the election system, UKIP I could understand being upset about the system, but not SNP. Many areas SNP didn't get 50% or more of the votes to win the seats, just more than con/lib/lab/ukip
 
dod said:
That's roughly the same as the UK ratio so not really an issue. The larger underlying point is that they have 95% of the seats with about 50% of the votes. Exactly what they object to in the UK electoral system.
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Indeed they do object to it because it is completely unfair!

"..........The Scottish First Minister said that she supported electoral reform despite her party being set to do very well out of the current system.

“I believe strongly in proportional representation. I believe there should be a direct relationship between the percentage of votes a party wins and the percentage of seats they win in whatever parliament the election is for,” she said. “The polls suggest that my party might do well under first past the post on Thursday but I think if you believe in something in principle you should believe in that regardless of whether your party benefits from the current system.

“I support PR in principle, it’s in our manifesto, and the SNP would vote for it.”
 
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UKIP got 13% of the national vote and gets 1 seat, the SNP gets 5% of the national vote and gets 56 seats. UKIP after Tory and labour received the next largest of total votes, but they've failed to get them in specific areas thus getting very little representation.

The SNP should be keeping quiet about the election system, UKIP I could understand being upset about the system, but not SNP. Many areas SNP didn't get 50% or more of the votes to win the seats, just more than con/lib/lab/ukip
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Westminster is really simple. You stand in a seat and you win it if you get the most votes. There is no runner-up, no silver or bronze medals, no second or third place, and it makes absolutely no difference how many votes you get overall. In fact, I think it's possible to win more seats and have less votes than the second party when things are close. :thinking:
 
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ST4 said:
UKIP got 13% of the national vote and gets 1 seat, the SNP gets 5% of the national vote and gets 56 seats. UKIP after Tory and labour received the next largest of total votes, but they've failed to get them in specific areas thus getting very little representation.

The SNP should be keeping quiet about the election system, UKIP I could understand being upset about the system, but not SNP. Many areas SNP didn't get 50% or more of the votes to win the seats, just more than con/lib/lab/ukip
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I saw it written like this.....

Average votes per seat won in parliament:
SNP 26k
CON 34k
LAB 40k
LD 291k
GRN 1.1m
UKIP 3.8m
 
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ST4 said:
There is PR in Holyrood, there is a chance at Holyrood to get them out of there.
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Aye, a snowball's chance in Hell for a fair few years!
 
Peter B said:
Westminster is really simple. You stand in a seat and you win it if you get the most votes. There is no runner-up, no silver or bronze medals, no second or third place, and it makes absolutely no difference how many votes you get overall. In fact, I think it's possible to win more seats and have less votes than the second party when things are close. :thinking:
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That happened in America, they have a bizarre system where some states have to be won. Al Gore got more votes by a few hundred thousand but they were not in the key states that Bush won. We know how that ended. I am more of a Bush fan, but I am a bigger fan of people getting who they want
 
ST4 said:
55% of people voted to stay in the UK, that under a PR system will count against the SNP
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Not at all, the landslide today is more about Labour and the Tories trying to play the "fear for our Union card"

The SNP have shown how well they can govern in Scotland right from a majority of one to the present day!
 
Mikesphotaes said:
The SNP have shown how well they can govern in Scotland right from a majority of one to the present day!
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They've been bloody terrible. I cannot think of one good thing to come from that Scottish parliament. The trams fiasco is the ultimate goof up. Not wanted by Edinburgh, but that didn't stop the SNP from over promising something that wasn't wanted or needed, underestimating its cost and timescales and yet delivering something so utterly feeble for a massive bill.

The sooner they are out the better....
 
ST4 said:
They've been bloody terrible. I cannot think of one good thing to come from that Scottish parliament. The trams fiasco is the ultimate goof up. Not wanted by Edinburgh, but that didn't stop the SNP from over promising something that wasn't wanted or needed, underestimating its cost and timescales and yet delivering something so utterly feeble for a massive bill.

The sooner they are out the better....
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Excuse me but the SNP wanted to scrap the trams to save money when they were a minority government.

They got beat in that vote, I wonder what political parties beat them:rolleyes:
 
You all voted them in.
Deal with it :-)
 
dod said:
That's roughly the same as the UK ratio so not really an issue. The larger underlying point is that they have 95% of the seats with about 50% of the votes. Exactly what they object to in the UK electoral system.
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You can't blame the SNP for winning seats in the only electoral system there is. PR would be much fairer and you never know, if Labour continue to take hits at elections they might even push for it. Up to now fptp suited them and the Tories because it kept them in power.
 
ST4 said:
And yet they pushed on regardless. Their manifesto's show them for the fruitbats that they are.
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Coming from you sir I'd take that as a compliment.
 
ST4 said:
The trams fiasco is the ultimate goof up. Not wanted by Edinburgh, .
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It wasn't their idea in the first place, it was Labours doing.
 
Steep said:
You can't blame the SNP for winning seats in the only electoral system there is. PR would be much fairer and you never know, if Labour continue to take hits at elections they might even push for it. Up to now fptp suited them and the Tories because it kept them in power.
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I'm not blaming them, just pointing out the hypocrisy of them claiming they represent the whole of Scotland. I've never felt so unrepresented as I do right now.
 
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UKIP got 13% of the national vote and gets 1 seat, the SNP gets 5% of the national vote and gets 56 seats. UKIP after Tory and labour received the next largest of total votes, but they've failed to get them in specific areas thus getting very little representation.

The SNP should be keeping quiet about the election system, UKIP I could understand being upset about the system, but not SNP. Many areas SNP didn't get 50% or more of the votes to win the seats, just more than con/lib/lab/ukip
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Twisting statistics to suit yourself, taking UKIPs vote share from 650 seats and comparing it to the SNP who stood in only 59.
 
dod said:
I'm not blaming them, just pointing out the hypocrisy of them claiming they represent the whole of Scotland. I've never felt so unrepresented as I do right now.
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They say they 'will' represent the whole of Scotland at Westminster, in other words they will fight to get the best deal for Scotland from WM, for everyone in Scotland. I can't help the way you feel except to say I'm confident you'll be proved wrong.
 
Steep said:
They say they 'will' represent the whole of Scotland at Westminster, in other words they will fight to get the best deal for Scotland from WM, for everyone in Scotland. I can't help the way you feel except to say I'm confident you'll be proved wrong.
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Sorry, don't believe it. The underlying agenda is still self serving and their policies they put forward are fiscally naiive or incompetent depending on your viewpoint*. I'm going to start a campaign saying I'm part of the 50% ;)

* although if you support them you'd say they were realistic :)
 
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Danny Alexander is starting a campaign group too, TheP45s :)
 
dod said:
Sorry, don't believe it. The underlying agenda is still self serving and their policies they put forward are fiscally naiive or incompetent depending on your viewpoint*. I'm going to start a campaign saying I'm part of the 50% ;)

* although if you support them you'd say they were realistic :)
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Surely all parties are self-serving? I thought that was the point in politics. I don't see why the SNP should be singled out for this.
 
kendo1 said:
Surely all parties are self-serving? I thought that was the point in politics. I don't see why the SNP should be singled out for this.
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The underlying agenda is independence. They're really not that interested in representing Scotland as a part of the UK. That's why they're worthy of being singled out. They're in Westminster on a false ticket.
 
Just heard, Danny's being made a Lord - Lord Beaker of Sesame Street.
 
dod said:
The underlying agenda is independence. They're really not that interested in representing Scotland as a part of the UK. That's why they're worthy of being singled out. They're in Westminster on a false ticket.
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So, the majority of voters in Scotland voted to stay as part of the UK in the referendum, and the majority of voters in Scotland yesterday voted for SNP.

I'd say the Scottish are very nationalistic, but want to stay as part of the UK.
 
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