Snap Britain!!! Is this another "get lots of pictures for free" sham?

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I got my copy of DSLR Photography delivered and came across the above. I took a look at the terms on their site, ITV Local
This is what they state:

"By making a Submission to our Website, you grant us a worldwide, perpetual, non-exclusive, royalty-free and transferable licence (with the right to sub-license) to use, edit, reproduce, record, modify, translate, distribute, play, perform, make available to the other users of the Services, prepare derivative works of and to display your Submission by any medium or method whether now known or later developed to be exercised in our sole discretion throughout the world for the full term of copyright and other rights and all renewable and extension thereof including, for the avoidance of doubt, the right to register any design rights and/or trademarks. You agree to waive your moral rights in your Submission."

Is this yet another way to fill up their database of stock images for free? I'd be interested to see what others think.

Regards

Alan
 
sounds like it to me, it shouldn't be allowed in my opinion but thats what reading a disclaimer is for.
 
I suppose that's life these days. The only thing you can do about it is not enter.
 
You're right it shouldn't be allowed. The magazine is also putting their name to it, which I am a bit dissappointed about as subscriber!
 
Badger UK said:
I suppose that's life these days. The only thing you can do about it is not enter.
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I wouldn't enter any more of these, after being shown the light on here by a few very helpful people. I feel sorry for all the readers of the magazine who will unwittingly flood them with their pictures :(
 
chunshine said:
I feel sorry for all the readers of the magazine who will unwittingly flood them with their pictures :(
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In many ways it's not so terrible. The rules have been made very clearly.

There are loads of people who will be very happy to see their photo published and I'm not sure there's too much wrong with that really. Difficult one.
 
Badger UK said:
In many ways it's not so terrible. The rules have been made very clearly.

There are loads of people who will be very happy to see their photo published and I'm not sure there's too much wrong with that really. Difficult one.
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Totally agree with you on the point about people being happy to see their pictures in print, but I don't think they should be exploited like this. If ITV want to show off people's images for this purpose alone, i.e. promoting everything good in Britain, that's fine but they should not be allowed to then go on to use it for anything else, including sub-licensing! :shake:

I'm gonna have to calm down a bit here lol not good for my ticker ;)
 
people should be given the recongistion they desere, if good enough, 1) to be printed 2) to be credited in this instance and all future instances regarding the user's image.
 
Well I guess it's down to the individual to read the small print before sending the images.

The terms are very restrictive though and it seems you lose all copyright rights to the image, even though you took the photo yourself...

I certainly wouldn't submit any photos to any competitions whose terms are as stated. Very unbalanced IMHO..
 
I have put a post on the magazine forum to see what the readers and the editor have to say :)
 
That's awful, on 1 hand you want your image to have the largest audience, on the other hand you lose all credit by doing so.
 
Raymond Lin said:
That's awful, on 1 hand you want your image to have the largest audience, on the other hand you lose all credit by doing so.
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It's one of the worst things that most of the big corporates are constantly doing and getting away with :shake:
 
I get this mag too and I'm going register my annoyance with them. I've not really got a problem with the re-use thing, if you enter thats been made very clear, but if you've taken the image you should be credited on all future uses of that image imho.

Andy
 
Andysnap said:
I get this mag too and I'm going register my annoyance with them. I've not really got a problem with the re-use thing, if you enter thats been made very clear, but if you've taken the image you should be credited on all future uses of that image imho.

Andy
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Go for it Andy, the more people complain and bring it to people's attention the better. I have put a thread on the forum and am now waiting for response :)
 
If people are happy to enter after reading the disclaimer then they should go ahead. If not, then don't. Does anybody know if past submissions to these comps have been 'lifted' and used elsewhee for free?
 
chunshine said:
Go for it Andy, the more people complain and bring it to people's attention the better. I have put a thread on the forum and am now waiting for response :)
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Done it. Lets wait and see if anyone responds.

Andy
 
Android said:
If people are happy to enter after reading the disclaimer then they should go ahead. If not, then don't. Does anybody know if past submissions to these comps have been 'lifted' and used elsewhee for free?
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You're absolutely right, but how many people bother to read the T's & C's. Most people would just tick the box and upload their pictures because that is how the sites move them to behave. They don't put the link in a prominent place to start with do they? It's only after people have had their interest hightened by all the hype and promise of getting exposure that these come into play, and in a very low key manner. How many people would enter their images if the lead read something along these lines?

" Enter our exciting new initiative in imaging the whole of Great Britain by sending us your pictures to be put in our database for free and we'll then use them for anything we like and not even give you the decency of a mention let alone anything else. Please understand we don't want to appear fair, we just want all your pictures for nothing and for you to go away and never bother us again. If your happy with that then get uploading today and be a nobody in our wonderful new initiative to cover the truth about what we really want"

Not too many I think! :shake:
 
These sort of 'competitions' annoy me, I don't think there is a problem with giving them a license to use the image for promotion of further photo competitions or for a specific named purpose. Giving them a full unrestricted license AND allowing them to sub-let the license that's the worst clause so basically they will take the image for free then want to right to sell it on with no credit to you...
 
chunshine said:
" Enter our exciting new initiative in imaging the whole of Great Britain by sending us your pictures to be put in our database for free and we'll then use them for anything we like and not even give you the decency of a mention let alone anything else. Please understand we don't want to appear fair, we just want all your pictures for nothing and for you to go away and never bother us again. If your happy with that then get uploading today and be a nobody in our wonderful new initiative to cover the truth about what we really want"

Not too many I think! :shake:
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:thinking: Ummm should I enter? :lol:

Andy
 
chunshine said:
Probably. I remember the "Pictures of Britain" one and I did enter some pictures, without looking at the T & C's :cuckoo:
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sorry to quote you mate but thats just the sort of person there looking for the ones who dont check it out properly you'll be more cautious next time you enter something:lol::bonk::woot:
 
dinorock said:
sorry to quote you mate but thats just the sort of person there looking for the ones who dont check it out properly you'll be more cautious next time you enter something:lol::bonk::woot:
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Exactly my point. If it hadn't been pointed out to me I'd still be doing it now :eek:
 
Thanks guys - never usually bother reading T's & C's :bonk: unless I'm splashing cash or giving personal details - might be a little more careful in future, although in fairness, they really can do what they like with the image [including sell it on] as long as [as said by others] they give credit [i.e. my name!].
 
Badger UK said:
There are loads of people who will be very happy to see their photo published and I'm not sure there's too much wrong with that really. Difficult one.
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But would those same people be just as happy if someone else was suddenly making money from those photos?
 
pxl8 said:
But would those same people be just as happy if someone else was suddenly making money from those photos?
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Exactly.

The editor of Digital SLR Photography has now responded to my post saying the following:

Re: Snap Britain!!!!
Posted by: danlezano
Date: September 14, 2008 09:12PM
Hi, I understand your views on this, we didn't see the 'small print' until the Snap Britain site went live and were in immediate contact with itvlocal about it and asked them to change the terms to protect the photographers' rights. They explained that the terms were their standard T&Cs for their uploaded videos & confirmed that they'd amend them to say that the photos uploaded to Snap Britain are for use with the Snap Britain initiative only and would not be used for anything else. Hopefully we'll see those terms in place in the next day or so, as the magazine totally agree that photographers retain all rights to their images. Best wishes, Dan Reply

Watch this space :)
 
That's good that the editors actually contacted them about it because I would hate to see some of the magazines endorsing those kind of rights grabbing t&c's. I would hazard a guess at the 'standard t&c' just being an answer at being found out for having rights grabbing t&c's...
 
Adobe photoshop express (the online version) had something similar in it's T & C but after everybody shot them down in flames for it they changed them as well, although rather too late from what I gather. Now it's not exactly taken the world by storm! lol.
It's time the laws were changed to prevent exploitation like this. Wayne
 
Badger UK said:
In many ways it's not so terrible. The rules have been made very clearly.

There are loads of people who will be very happy to see their photo published and I'm not sure there's too much wrong with that really. Difficult one.
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Come on! This is appalling!

Well done to those who took it up with the magazine editor, and well done to him for putting a stop to it.

But what about Charlie Waite's Landscape Photographer of the Year competition (now closed) which allowed the major sponsors (all or most of the UK tourist authorities) the right to use any entry free of charge for whatever reason until December 31st 2009? And there was an entry fee - from £7.50 upwards if I remember correctly. Disgraceful.

Like many here, people will enter a competiton like this just for the satisfaction of seeing their pictures in print, but could unwittingly be giving their pictures away willy nilly. And the sponsors could be making a tidy sum out of it.

Of course people don't always read the small print! The organisers of these "competitions" must largely know what they are up to. And I have to admit that woolly thinking by photographers that allows this sort of thing to carry on really p****s me off. :bang:
 
chunshine said:
" Enter our exciting new initiative in imaging the whole of Great Britain by sending us your pictures to be put in our database for free and we'll then use them for anything we like and not even give you the decency of a mention let alone anything else. Please understand we don't want to appear fair, we just want all your pictures for nothing and for you to go away and never bother us again. If your happy with that then get uploading today and be a nobody in our wonderful new initiative to cover the truth about what we really want"
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I like it!:clap:
 
The terms and conditions still look the same to me :shake:
 
That is an absolutely shocking set of T&C's.

Has anyone wrote to them?
 
I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but I think the main reason for such T&Cs is that they legally have to protect themselves against any form of legal action if they display/print/whatever the entries/winners. That in itself shouldn't be a problem with carefully created T&Cs but I am guessing for ease and low costs they just use 'catch all' type paragraphs to cover themselves from every angle.
 
Jimmy_Lemon said:
I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but I think the main reason for such T&Cs is that they legally have to protect themselves against any form of legal action if they display/print/whatever the entries/winners. That in itself shouldn't be a problem with carefully created T&Cs but I am guessing for ease and low costs they just use 'catch all' type paragraphs to cover themselves from every angle.
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Seems unlikely to me ...... what kind of legal action could they be worried about?
 
chewyuk said:
As someone has already said they are pretty much the same at the beeb and the I think they are identical to the Sunday Times Landscape comp (Take a View). Set up by a pro Landscape Tog !!!!!!
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See my posts above !

Although to be fair the Take-a-View T&C's are nowhere as bad as these.

Funnily enough I've been composing letters today to send to some of the sponsors of Take-a-View; i.e. Amateur Photographer and Outdoor Photography.

I'll post a copy if there's any interest.:)
 
Didn't see yours - went straight to ''vent'' - Problem is that thousands of people, even some on TP have entered. So there is certainly enough demand for photo's and less of an issue for copyright seemingly.
The Take a View thing, ****ed me off even more, as this guy is a pro-tog and probably more than anyone realises what copyright means.

Guess the hardcore will just say, if you don't like it - don't enter !!
 
That's where I get all smug and a warm feeling from being a right old cynic.

I don't get caught out by this sort of thing cos I've been shafted or close to it that many times, that I'm on the guard. It's a sad state of affairs, but I'd rather be a cynic than someone who's supplied images in good faith to then find they've had their leg lifted by someone they trusted. It's not a nice feeling and you soon get very wise to it.

Images have value. The net's bombarded with images, but there's still someone, somewhere who can use any one of them for their own gain and if you give them an inch they'll take a mile (as they say).

The problem is, this type of "hand-cuffed" tactic will increase because they will get all the images they need because there's always someone who's real happy to see their image in print for zero recompense or comeback.

Each unto their own, but if you one day hope to earn money from your photography you may ask yourself why the market value for your images has plummeted. Who pays for something they can get for free especially when supply outstrips demand?
 
Hmm, I wonder... Can I publish some T&Cs on a website which say I have a TV tuner and anything that is transmitted to and is picked up by my tuner the broadcaster grants me free worldwide rights to republish said transmissions in any media or medium without further fee payable or credit to the original broadcaster, do you think they'd be happy with that?? I doubt it...

Two words... Barge Pole
 
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