Slow drivers be warned

And a compulsory retest!
 
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Good! Apparently some daft bint was chugging along the outside lane of the M62 at 50mph recently as well.

I tried lane discipline on the M25 but had to give up. Everyone just sits along at any speed and just doesn't change lane. Gets even worse down towards Brighton. Loads sitting at 50 odd in outside lane of dual carriageway that will not move over at all even though the inside lane is empty.

Generally I leave audi/bmw drivers to punt these muppets out of the way. They tend to not fear sitting inches off someone's rear bumper. I'm too sensible to do that.
 
dejongj said:
And a compulsory retest!
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Maybe the extended one and theory. It effectively removes the plonkers from the roads for another 3 months over the disqual (as I am finding out).

The theory test material make it very clear the middle and right lanes are for overtaking only on motorways and the left hand lane is for normal driving. Actually whilst I think practical tests are a drag I think theory training every 10yrs would be a great thing for normal non bad boy drivers like me
 
To be honest with those kind of drivers it just doesn't matter. They don't see or watch or care about anyone else.

It seems to be getting worse with immigration increases. Some don't even realise they do something wrong.
 
ST4 said:
Maybe the extended one and theory. It effectively removes the plonkers from the roads for another 3 months over the disqual (as I am finding out).

The theory test material make it very clear the middle and right lanes are for overtaking only on motorways and the left hand lane is for normal driving. Actually whilst I think practical tests are a drag I think theory training every 10yrs would be a great thing for normal non bad boy drivers like me
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Even for good boys like me :p I do think there must be a compulsory retest practical and theory every five years.
 
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ST4 said:
5yrs is a bit much and a massive expense for tax payers and a big hassle.
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It's a big expense for everyone, not just tax payers :) but so what, it's nothing compared to the cost of running a vehicle. Why not combine it with an mot, eye test, check of paperwork etc. a no show should result in instant revokation of the license and automatic penalty.

Just too many idiots on the road. Besides great jobs for all those people who will loose their copper counting jobs ;)
 
PC Nigel Fawcett-Jones from the Road Policing Unit said: “Lane hogging causes congestion and inconvenience to other road users.

“It reduces the capacity of roads and motorways, and can lead to dangerous situations where other drivers ‘tailgate’ the vehicle in front to try and get the lane hogger to move over.
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So arrest the stupid ****ers who think tailgating is an acceptable practice.

Reference was made to the van driver "chugging along" at 60mph, 60 is the maximum speed that vehicle is allowed to drive at and only 10mph less than the maximum for any vehicle. It also says 6 drivers had to brake and then overtake, if they were keeping to the speed limit themselves then it's they who have a situational awareness problem, a 10mph closing speed gives you tons of opportunity to adjust your driving.
 
Steep said:
So arrest the stupid ****ers who think tailgating is an acceptable practice.

Reference was made to the van driver "chugging along" at 60mph, 60 is the maximum speed that vehicle is allowed to drive at and only 10mph less than the maximum for any vehicle. It also says 6 drivers had to brake and then overtake, if they were keeping to the speed limit themselves then it's they who have a situational awareness problem, a 10mph closing speed gives you tons of opportunity to adjust your driving.
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b******t. Just move over and problem is resolved. Again another example of a selfish attitude lacking personal responsibility
 
dejongj said:
It's a big expense for everyone, not just tax payers :) but so what, it's nothing compared to the cost of running a vehicle. Why not combine it with an mot, eye test, check of paperwork etc. a no show should result in instant revokation of the license and automatic penalty.

Just too many idiots on the road. Besides great jobs for all those people who will loose their copper counting jobs ;)
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Copper counting jobs = private sector tax paying. DVLA jobs = paid for by private sector tax payers. Why cut the number of these people paying into the system to fail joe blogs who might drive with one hand on the wheel and cross his hands when parallel parking?
 
ST4 said:
Copper counting jobs = private sector tax paying. DVLA jobs = paid for by private sector tax payers. Why cut the number of these people paying into the system to fail joe blogs who might drive with one hand on the wheel and cross his hands when parallel parking?
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No that is not the case at all. You are thinking too small. Besides who is cutting people paying into the system. Plenty of other much more wealth generating jobs about, just think of the whole contact less industry as just one example.

And there is no need for more dvla jobs.
 
dejongj said:
No that is not the case at all. You are thinking too small. Besides who is cutting people paying into the system. Plenty of other much more wealth generating jobs about, just think of the whole contact less industry as just one example.
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Its all automated. Less people, more unemployment. You need monkeys to do monkey work,

dejongj said:
And there is no need for more dvla jobs.
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All them extra examiners. Test waits need done, and more people would be taking tests under your system.
 
Highway Code clearly says keep left unless over taking. If you're not overtaking then move over. It's very simple. Max permissible speed is irrelevant.
 
I wasn't there so I can't say how much of a problem the guy caused or why, it may be that he could have pulled over but it's also possible that he was keeping out of the left lane because he wasn't sure where it would take him. I don't do a lot of motorway driving and it can be confusing when you don't know the road and the left lane often leads to an exit. I suppose the fact that the police felt it appropriate to pull him over for it should be enough but we only got one side of the story (as usual) in that article.
 
They don't have to be dvla. And contact less systems need to be implemented, designed, integrated, audited etc. but why limit it to that. The world just doesn't work like that. There isn't a finite amount of jobs, there are as many as you are willing to generate. Opportunity is around every corner.
 
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Steep said:
I wasn't there so I can't say how much of a problem the guy caused or why, it may be that he could have pulled over but it's also possible that he was keeping out of the left lane because he wasn't sure where it would take him. I don't do a lot of motorway driving and it can be confusing when you don't know the road and the left lane often leads to an exit. I suppose the fact that the police felt it appropriate to pull him over for it should be enough but we only got one side of the story (as usual) in that article.
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Not just one side, it went to court didn't it ;)

I'm actually concerned about your reasoning. The left lane rarely leads to change into an exit. An exit would filter off it. And in the few occasions where three lanes turn to two and the left becomes and exit than there will be at least 1mile ahead of it signage for that. Then again at 1/2 mile and again at 1/3 mile and then the filter commences also clearly marked by the distance markers. A very very weak excuse to remain in the middle lane. Another example of lacking personal responsibility, just when we were doing so well :p :)
 
Steep said:
Reference was made to the van driver "chugging along" at 60mph, 60 is the maximum speed that vehicle is allowed to drive at
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Citroen Berlingo's are "car derived vans" and therefore allowed to do the same maximum speed as cars.
ST4 said:
Should be a disqualification offence. Not a long one, but maybe 30-56 days.
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You're mellowing Steve it :D

dejongj said:
It seems to be getting worse with immigration increases. Some don't even realise they do something wrong.
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My money was on someone else using that "argument" :D
 
Steep said:
So arrest the stupid ****ers who think tailgating is an acceptable practice.

Reference was made to the van driver "chugging along" at 60mph, 60 is the maximum speed that vehicle is allowed to drive at and only 10mph less than the maximum for any vehicle. It also says 6 drivers had to brake and then overtake, if they were keeping to the speed limit themselves then it's they who have a situational awareness problem, a 10mph closing speed gives you tons of opportunity to adjust your driving.
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That vehicle can lawfully drive at 70mph on a motorway !

Starting a sentence with 'So' would be better grounds for arrest ! :-)
 
Cobra said:
Citroen Berlingo's are "car derived vans" and therefore allowed to do the same maximum speed as cars.
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You're wrong(ish). The only CDVs allowed to do 70 are those smaller ones based on Fiesta/Clio, bigger ones like the Berlingo are max 60. Where the ish comes in is because even government sites can't give consistent information on this.
 
srichards said:
Good! Apparently some daft bint was chugging along the outside lane of the M62 at 50mph recently as well.
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dejongj said:
It seems to be getting worse with immigration increases. Some don't even realise they do something wrong.
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:facepalm:

Statistically woman are far safer drivers than men and having driven extensively on European roads I find most drivers there to be far more considerate than we are, well certainly on the motorways anyway.
 
You may have to book your theory test through the DVSA (as it is now), but the tests themselves are operated by (and the money goes to) a private company, Pearson Patrick.
 
Steep said:
Yes I know, it looks like I'm wrong in regards to motorway speeds.
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As you said, you aren't familiar or comfortable with motorway driving (based on your second post). This is probably a good place to park the argument. :)
 
dejongj said:
It seems to be getting worse with immigration increases. Some don't even realise they do something wrong.
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Cobra said:
My money was on someone else using that "argument" :D
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jakeblu said:
:facepalm:

Statistically woman are far safer drivers than men and having driven extensively on European roads I find most drivers there to be far more considerate than we are, well certainly on the motorways anyway.
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I was speaking from actual experience :)
 
I think that lane discipline or lack of it is a real British thing. I don't see it when I drive in Europe and in the USA they have overtaking on any lane.
 
boliston said:
id prefer to see us style undertaking made legal - i do it myself sometimes rather than switching across 3 lanes
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Its a real pain if your on the inside lane doing 70-75mph and someones tootling along in the middle lane doing 60 it happens a surprisingly lot of times. Im never really sure what your supposed to do in that situation, cut across to the outside lane to have to cut back inside?
 
If you undertake whilst keeping pace with the traffic in the lane you're in (rather than just to pass a vehicle in another lane), you're not breaking the law.
 
jakeblu said:
Its a real pain if your on the inside lane doing 70-75mph and someones tootling along in the middle lane doing 60 it happens a surprisingly lot of times. Im never really sure what your supposed to do in that situation, cut across to the outside lane to have to cut back inside?
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exactly why we should adopt the us lane system and it would mean all lanes carry equal traffic rather than the fast lane always nose to tail with only a few vehicles in the slow and middle lanes
 
viv1969 said:
If you undertake whilst keeping pace with the traffic in the lane you're in (rather than just to pass a vehicle in another lane), you're not breaking the law.
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I thought you were allowed to 'undertake' to avoid an obstruction and I regard the two outer lanes p***ing about at 60, while the inside lane is clear as an obstruction.
 
Steep said:
he only CDVs allowed to do 70 are those smaller ones based on Fiesta/Clio, bigger ones like the Berlingo
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But the berlingo is a car also, talking to my MOT guy (when I had the van) all car derived vans are treated as cars.
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Yes I know, it looks like I'm wrong in regards to motorway speeds.
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Seems its sorted anyway :thumbs:
 
new2me said:
I thought you were allowed to 'undertake' to avoid an obstruction and I regard the two outer lanes p***ing about at 60, while the inside lane is clear as an obstruction.
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What you regard is immaterial tbh. :-)
 
Cobra said:
But the berlingo is a car also, talking to my MOT guy (when I had the van) all car derived vans are treated as cars.

Seems its sorted anyway (y)
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There is one thing about the Berlingo/Connect/Combo/Caddy class which can affect your top speed limit (not on motorway), if the dealer registers it as a commercial vehicle then the lower limits apply, if they register as a cdv then the higher limits apply. Apparently it comes down to which box they tick on a form, same vehicle, same load, same use different legal speed.
 
"In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right."

Seems to suggest it's okay to me :)
 
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