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Hi all :)
A friend has the 350D which was purchased around 11 months ago (second hand from ebay) it working great up until this morning :(
She has just came around for a chat and they said to her the camera's shutter has failed and needs replaced. The repair guy said the cameras Shutter Count was 64,450 :eek:
£140 to get repaired does that sound about right ?

What models do you have ?and what is the shutter count ? How many of you have had the shutter replaced :)
 
Canons official line on shutter life suggests...

Canon EOS Digital Rebel T3 / 1100D - ??
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XS / 1000D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T3i / 600D - ??
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T2i / 550D - ??
Canon EOS Digital Rebel T1i / 500D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XSi / 450D - 100,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi / 400D - 50,000
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT / 350D - 50,000
Canon EOS 60D - 100,000
Canon EOS 50D - 100,000
Canon EOS 40D - 100,000
Canon EOS 30D - 100,000
Canon EOS 20D - 50,000
Canon EOS 7D - 150,000
Canon EOS 5D Mark III - 150,000
Canon EOS 5D Mark II - 150,000
Canon EOS 5D - 100,000
Canon EOS 1D X - 400,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark IV - 300.000
Canon EOS 1D Mark III - 300,000
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N - 200,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark III - 300,000
Canon EOS 1DS Mark II - 200,000

So that falls into the expected life category i'm afraid.

Got the above info from an older site. has anyone got any updated figures for newer models and/or Nikon/sony models ?
 
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Orange_crunch said:
Hi all :)
A friend has the 350D which was purchased around 11 months ago (second hand from ebay) it working great up until this morning :(
She has just came around for a chat and they said to her the camera's shutter has failed and needs replaced. The repair guy said the cameras Shutter Count was 64,450 :eek:
£140 to get repaired does that sound about right ?

What models do you have ?and what is the shutter count ? How many of you have had the shutter replaced :)
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It sounds about right, however it also sounds like more than the camera would be worth when repaired.....
 
Gazamonk said:
Canons official line on shutter life suggests...

Canon EOS 5D Mark III - 150,000
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I'm surprised at this. I would have though it to be at least 200,000
 
Flash In The Pan said:
It sounds about right, however it also sounds like more than the camera would be worth when repaired.....
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It was probably hammered before she got it, never thought about asking. He said repaired it should last around 5 years... I was reading modern DSLR's are around 100,000 for Shutter Count before failure.
 
Orange_crunch said:
It was probably hammered before she got it, never thought about asking. He said repaired it should last around 5 years... I was reading modern DSLR's are around 100,000 for Shutter Count before failure.
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The 350D isn't really a "modern" dslr though and it probably wasn't hammered, 64k+ actuations would appear to be more than Canon reckon one would do anyway.

Judging by the quote for the repair I'd hazard a guess that it's not the shutter that has failed anyway, but rather the spring on the AF mirror, a 10p part that involves a total strip down to replace...
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The 350D isn't really a "modern" dslr though and it probably wasn't hammered, 64k+ actuations would appear to be more than Canon reckon one would do anyway.

Judging by the quote for the repair I'd hazard a guess that it's not the shutter that has failed anyway, but rather the spring on the AF mirror, a 10p part that involves a total strip down to replace...
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She thinks she has took no more then 600 photos since owning it :eek:. I was thinking the price was a bit on the high side just for a shutter to be replaced, that makes more sense what you say :thumbs:
I think she is going ahead with the repair and fingers crossed gets a good few years out of it :)
 
If the problem is that the pictures have a black band at the top then it's the spring that has broken. The way to test is to take the lens off and watch the mirror as the shutter is fired. The small af mirror should spring back into place as the main mirror rises, if the spring is broken the smaller mirror will remain down, blocking (most of) the sensor.

If it is that then there's a diy fix/bodge that can be done for free (takes 1 minute), but the camera would be manual focus only.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
If the problem is that the pictures have a black band at the top then it's the spring that has broken. The way to test is to take the lens off and watch the mirror as the shutter is fired. The small af mirror should spring back into place as the main mirror rises, if the spring is broken the smaller mirror will remain down, blocking (most of) the sensor.

If it is that then there's a diy fix/bodge that can be done for free (takes 1 minute), but the camera would be manual focus only.
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Yes the photos do look like that after looking at them :thumbs:
 
Purchase and value of a camera shouldn't be based on shutter count.As Neil has said the figure quoted is an average or as they put it "mean" figure, that evens out over many cameras. Some will however fail early and some will last a lifetime.

It makes no difference whether new or used, no one knows when or if it will ever fail.
 
While tecnhically it could fail after 10 clicks the point of the average is that it gives you a very good idea of when it will fail statistically. Yes there will be outliers but generally most will fail within the same range of x,000 clicks.

On that basis of course the shutter count is important and should be included in the valuation. Are you really saying you would pay the same for a camera with 100,000 clicks as one with 10 clicks ?
 
I've done 5 shutters over the years in different cameras.
It's a fact of life...its a mechanical part and will fail sooner or later.
Once you accept that, you'll sleep easier.
The first shutter I had let go was in my 10D at around 160-180K.
I replaced that shutter and it went out to lunch at about 120K.
I replaced that shutter and the camera finally died on me with about 60K on its third shutter.
I wasn't complaining, as the 10D was rated at 100K and it wasn't the shutter that failed when it finally died. It was just over-worked as it had a hard life.
My old clunker d30 finally went out to lunch, but I have no idea how many actuations were on it.
The next one to let go was my 1D MkII at 187,737 - that's close enough to the 200K rating figure for me. That was in February 2010.
I had that shutter replaced - and the body now has 299,949 on the count, and still going strong, but it could let go at any time.
The last one to let go was my 40D in February this year. I'm not sure what the count is on that, but it would easliy be around the 150K mark.
Not sure what my 1D MkIII has on its clock, but it's not that many - probably only about 50K.

All my bodies have been bought s/h except for the 10D which was a brand spanker.

Just for interest, in Australia, the cost to replace a shutter is around the $600 mark.
The shutter alone costs slightly less than $300.
 
We just have to accept things fail :'(
So far the camera stands to lose her £450, so i guess in this instance used was not the better option eh !
 
Are the shutters covered under warranty if they fail before the rated value?
 
philwillmedia said:
Actually no...
The rating is the mean time before failure - MTBF.
There is a vast difference.
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a vast difference, are you sure?
It is still just the average number of clicks a camera will give before it breaks (with mean being the most commonly understood meaning of average as most may not have heard of mode or median!)
 
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philwillmedia said:
Actually no...
The rating is the mean time before failure - MTBF.
There is a vast difference.
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not really. for the average (no pun) layman average is a pretty near description of MTBF.

gman said:
Are the shutters covered under warranty if they fail before the rated value?
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dont believe so, but if they fail within the normal warranty period i expect theyll replace. over the year warranty then id expect to have to pay even if it hasnt come close to the MTBF.

ernesto said:
a vast difference, are you sure?
It is still just the average number of clicks a camera will give before it breaks (with mean being the most commonly understood meaning of it anyway as most may not have heared of mode or media!)
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:geek: :D
 
How difficult is it to replace your own shutter?
 
wuyanxu said:
i second this question. especially for Nikon.
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The figures are meaningless, one of the oft-quoted sites lists a Nikon (iirc something like the D3000) as having an average lifespan of around 3 million actuations, which is just nonsense.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The figures are meaningless, one of the oft-quoted sites lists a Nikon (iirc something like the D3000) as having an average lifespan of around 3 million actuations, which is just nonsense.
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^^^^This.

Spend less time worrying about how many times your camera has gone click.
Instead, spend more time actually making it go click.
When a shutter lets go worry about it then.
The truth be known, the vast majority of people will never have to worry about killing a shutter.
People will upgrade their camera bodies long before they get close to the rated number of shutter actuations because they want the latest and greatest.
When I bought my 40D, the only reason the guy was getting rid of it was because he estimated it had 20k of actuations and was worried it might be on its way out.
In my world, 20k is only somewhere between 4 and 10 days work.
In other words, it had been used for less than two weeks under the conditions I would be using it in.
I average between 2000 and 4000 images a day at a major race meeting or sporting event.
I was as happy as a pig in poo, because I got a basically brand new camera for about 1/3 the cost of a new one - happy days.
 
gman said:
I'm surprised at this. I would have though it to be at least 200,000
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I have a gig photographer friend on his original shutter with well over 500k on it.
 
The23rdman said:
I have a gig photographer friend on his original shutter with well over 500k on it.
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On a 5d mklll. ? Already ! Wow he's a busy tog. ;)
I don't think I have taken near 500,000 in my lifetime and I have been into photography on and off (more on than off mind) for 35 years! :gag:
 
gman said:
lol was thinking the same thing.
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Either that or he's rubbish and takes a 1000 shots to get 1 keeper! Lol.
Only kidding but in reality how many shots out of half a million can be kept /used/sold/commissioned in a matter of weeks :shrug:
 
Gazamonk said:
On a 5d mklll. ? Already ! Wow he's a busy tog. ;)
I don't think I have taken near 500,000 in my lifetime and I have been into photography on and off (more on than off mind) for 35 years! :gag:
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Mark 2. It was early!
 
The23rdman said:
Mark 2. It was early!
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The posts were about the Mk3 from Gmans original comment..........

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Canons official line on shutter life suggests...Canon EOS 5D Mark III - 150,000
I'm surprised at this. I would have though it to be at least 200,000
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............not the Mk2, Whew for a minute there I thought we had a tog who worked a 26 hr day and never took weekends off :eek: how else could he have achieved it. lol
 
Gazamonk said:
The posts were about the Mk3 from Gmans original comment..........


............not the Mk2, Whew for a minute there I thought we had a tog who worked a 26 hr day and never took weekends off :eek: how else could he have achieved it. lol
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I said it was early! I was up at half five but my brain not till ten.
 
The23rdman said:
I said it was early! I was up at half five but my brain not till ten.
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Lol, I thought you meant it was an early Mk2 :bang:

BTW, it only takes four and a half hours for your brain to kick in ? Impressive, mine kicks in about an hour before I go to bed :thinking:
 
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