Should shops be allowed to open on Boxing Day?

Should shops be allowed to open on Boxing Day?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 34.8%

  • No

    Votes: 43 65.2%
  • Total voters
    66
FujiLove said:
I'm genuinely curious...do the prostitutes you employ/did employ get Boxing Day off, or are men too busy with their families for you to bother opening?
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I've clearly missed something here, dejongj runs/used to run a brothel?
 
onomatopoeia said:
I've clearly missed something here, dejongj runs/used to run a brothel?
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He claims to. Thankfully, I don't know him in 'real life', so can't confirm. I'm just repeating what he brags about in other threads on here.

Let's see if he replies with his usual lines about how he hasn't exploited women for financial gain.
 
FujiLove said:
I'm genuinely curious...do the prostitutes you employ/did employ get Boxing Day off, or are men too busy with their families for you to bother opening?
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Genuinely, traditionally one of the busiest days of the year. Lots of lonely people about for which a service is provided.
 
onomatopoeia said:
I've clearly missed something here, dejongj runs/used to run a brothel?
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FujiLove said:
He claims to. Thankfully, I don't know him in 'real life', so can't confirm. I'm just repeating what he brags about in other threads on here.

Let's see if he replies with his usual lines about how he hasn't exploited women for financial gain.
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So a genuine question immediately turns into yet again a totally distorted version of the truth with your warped fantasy.

Post reported.
 
FujiLove said:
Yes, you've got it in one. Having a party in power who supports unions and puts workers' rights ahead of business lobbyists, may well mean people employed in retail finally have some power to infuence opening times. Or at least be able to choose not to work on Sundays or Bank Holidays without losing their jobs.

I know, that would be a crazy. crazy world!
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Ok, just I don't recall hearing it as a manifesto promise... didn't see Labour campaign for the stopping of Sunday opening either to put workers rights first!!! If you could show me where Labour are advocating that as policy that would help (although could they not have done this in their 13 odd years in power recently)?
 
FujiLove said:
He claims to. Thankfully, I don't know him in 'real life', so can't confirm. I'm just repeating what he brags about in other threads on here.

Let's see if he replies with his usual lines about how he hasn't exploited women for financial gain.
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2 choices.

a) Quit with the personal attacks
b) Lose posting privileges

Pick one!
 
dejongj said:
So a genuine question immediately turns into yet again a totally distorted version of the truth with your warped fantasy.

Post reported.
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Hang on, why are my posts being reported? As a matter of fact, I am genuinely interested in your answer, and it's not what I expected, but it does make sense.

But which part have I distorted, and in which post? You said a few days ago that your family owned and was involved in running a network of brothels. I assume it wasn't a charity, so you must have had some financial gain? I regard prostitution as a clear exploitation of women, however you like to dress it up, so what have I said to offend you this time?

For someone who actively enjoys telling people about your involvement in prostitution, you're very thin skinned and touchy when people ask you about it.
 
fabs said:
2 choices.

a) Quit with the personal attacks
b) Lose posting privileges

Pick one!
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I don't agree with your moral stance of supporting a member who claims to have run brothels, but it's your forum and your rules.

:muted: :schtum:
 
FujiLove said:
Hang on, why are my posts being reported? As a matter of fact, I am genuinely interested in your answer, and it's not what I expected, but it does make sense.

But which part have I distorted, and in which post? You said a few days ago that your family owned and was involved in running a network of brothels. I assume it wasn't a charity, so you must have had some financial gain? I regard prostitution as a clear exploitation of women, however you like to dress it up, so what have I said to offend you this time?

For someone who actively enjoys telling people about your involvement in prostitution, you're very thin skinned and touchy when people ask you about it.
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They are not being exploited! If you are running a brothel where you have that persons passport and force them to work that is exploitation. If you run a business where you advertise for staff to work to a contract and pay all your taxes etc... then it doesn't matter whether you are selling sexual services or widgets (assuming you abide by the rules of that country). If its legal then I don't see a problem.
 
cambsno said:
They are not being exploited! If you are running a brothel where you have that persons passport and force them to work that is exploitation. If you run a business where you advertise for staff to work to a contract and pay all your taxes etc... then it doesn't matter whether you are selling sexual services or widgets (assuming you abide by the rules of that country). If its legal then I don't see a problem.
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I give up.
 
I don't see the difference between shops and bars and restaurants?
make the money while you can.
 
Supply and demand.

Do I personally think shops should close? Yep

I see no reason to want to queue up on Boxing day to save 30% of a pair of jeans.

As a non religion person (i.e. a logical thinker), the most important part of Christmas for me is spending time with friends and family.

Its unusual for virtually everyone in your friends or family circles to have time off a the same time.

Each to their own but its one day a year, the economy is not going to collapse.

People can still shop online anyway.
 
viv1969 said:
Do you work on boxing day?
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You obviously missed one of my previous posts. (see the last post on page 1):)

I am a baker for a well known supermarket so yes I will be starting at 4:00am boxing day and working an 8 hr shift.
 
As I see it, the main benefits of shops closing are:

1. Family time together. A happy family life will possibly result in a more productive employee.
2. Time off for staff to rest and recuperate. Being able to pursue interests outside work.
3. Reduced overheads to achieve the same level of turnover. Consumers don't have 'unlimited' spending.

There is a less tangible benefit I think and it's that of creativity. Would the Beatles have existed these days if Paul had to work at Next and George was exhausted after shifts at Sports Direct? I know it's a moot point but the current economic policy of 'austerity' and the constant drive towards profit stifles 'artistic creativity', something the UK excelled at for 40 or 50 years and something we have all benefitted from as a society and something that seems in short supply (to me) these days.

I can't think of many advantages of shops opening on Boxing Day other than it being a convenience people have to pay for but I can't see anything changing either. In a few years time I think major retailers will be open on Christmas Day in order to compete with the internet. Consumerism reigns.
 
H.J.H said:
You obviously missed one of my previous posts. (see the last post on page 1):)

I am a baker for a well known supermarket so yes I will be starting at 4:00am boxing day and working an 8 hr shift.
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Ah, I see.
My husband used to be a baker, 3am starts.

Noon finish though....could be worse. :-)
 
Dave70D said:
I think it should be close all shops, so family can spend a happy Christmas time together.
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Not all people have family.
Of those that do, many are not happy.
For some, Christmas is irrelevant.
 
It should be optional as should Sundays - I have no idea what the pay on Sundays or bank holidays for those in retail is but I used to earn triple time in the early 90's working for Safeway supermarket whilst I was at 6th form.
 
cambsno said:
This is to be debated in Parliament after 100k people petitioned, so what to people on here think.

I would be strongly in favour of this - lets get Christmas back to being a special time for the family and not have people being forced back into work the day after. Sure, essential services need to be available but the country would not fall apart if Tesco or Next were closed an extra day. In the case of Next especially, having to be in at 5 or 6am is IMO dreadful.
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shops should be able to open when they want - the goverment should not be dictating what people can do just because of a religious fesitival. The sunday trading laws in England are a f*****g joke.
 
H.J.H said:
On a personal note , as a baker for a well known supermarket I will have to start work at 4:00am boxing day morning which will probably mean that I will be in bed for 10:00pm Christmas day at the latest. We will probably throw away more bread than we sell . We open because all our competitors will be open and the company is terrified of losing a sale to them.
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booohoooo, I start work at 4am (a well known supermarket begining with Sainsburys lol ) and quite honestly don't care. Only reason I'm not in on boxing day is because our department is closed so have taken it as a holiday.
 
NeilA1975 said:
I have no idea what the pay on Sundays or bank holidays for those in retail is but I used to earn triple time in the early 90's working for Safeway supermarket whilst I was at 6th form.
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There is no extra pay for working Sundays or bank holidays in retail anymore. It is just like working any other day of the week.
 
POAH said:
booohoooo, I start work at 4am (a well known supermarket begining with Sainsburys lol ) and quite honestly don't care. Only reason I'm not in on boxing day is because our department is closed so have taken it as a holiday.
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I work for Sainsburys too lol.
I didn't have the choice to book it as a holiday, it all depends which department and store you work in.
 
POAH said:
shops should be able to open when they want - the goverment should not be dictating what people can do just because of a religious fesitival. The sunday trading laws in England are a f*****g joke.
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Since you're north of the border, why would you give a s***?
 
NeilA1975 said:
It should be optional as should Sundays - I have no idea what the pay on Sundays or bank holidays for those in retail is but I used to earn triple time in the early 90's working for Safeway supermarket whilst I was at 6th form.
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The 90s are a VERY long time ago!
 
H.J.H said:
There is no extra pay for working Sundays or bank holidays in retail anymore. It is just like working any other day of the week.
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I get paid more for working bank holidays and people on older contracts get more on Sunday.
 
H.J.H said:
I work for Sainsburys too lol.
I didn't have the choice to book it as a holiday, it all depends which department and store you work in.
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Online - I actually got offered the week beginning he 25th off today
 
FujiLove said:
Having a party in power who supports unions and puts workers' rights ahead of business lobbyists, may well mean people employed in retail finally have some power to infuence opening times. Or at least be able to choose not to work on Sundays or Bank Holidays without losing their jobs.

I know, that would be a crazy. crazy world!
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You mean like when Labour were elected in 1997 and repealed the 1994 Sunday Trading Act? ... Oh no, wait, i forgot, they didn't.

Or perhaps you were referring to Scotland, where trading hours are a matter for the Scottish Parliament. They're much more restrictive ... oh no, wait, sorry, I meant to say they have no restrictions on Sunday opening hours. Despite 17 years of devolved Labour / SNP government.
 
H.J.H said:
There is no extra pay for working Sundays or bank holidays in retail anymore. It is just like working any other day of the week.
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Which is sad, IMHO. Are Sundays optional or as you say it is just like working any other day of the week?
Families are important - we always used to spend Sundays as a family doing stuff when I was a kid - how things have changed in the name of business.
 
NeilA1975 said:
Which is sad, IMHO. Are Sundays optional or as you say it is just like working any other day of the week?
Families are important - we always used to spend Sundays as a family doing stuff when I was a kid - how things have changed in the name of business.
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It's obligatory to work weekends in the company I work for.
 
viv1969 said:
Not all people have family.
Of those that do, many are not happy.
For some, Christmas is irrelevant.
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No, but the majority I would guess do have family and enjoy Christmas - whether that's from a religious perspective of just getting blind drunk!

Would shops being shut for 2 days really put people out that much?
 
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