Should I move from CS2 to Lightroom?

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fairly new around here but hoping for some advice please.

I've been using an old version of photoshop CS2 for quite a while. I try to get as much as possible right in camera therefore I tend to find that the vast majority of my use is fairly basis functions - tweaking contrast/saturation, cropping, sharpening etc. I very rarely manipulate images beyond that although I have recently experimented using layers to combine more than one image for a greater dynamic range. For browsing images I use Adobe bridge and most of my pictures are held on my hard drive catalogued by month/year/subject e.g. 12/14/Xmas (or whatever). The reason I include this is I've heard that Lightroom is much better for organising images.

So my overall question is - is it worth switching to lightroom? I've heard great things from many people but I'm not experienced enough to determine whether the real-world benefits would make it worthwhile. I'd appreciate your input based on your own experiences if possible

For info I have a Nikon 7100 and am mainly interested in landscape.

Many thanks
 
Lightroom's very capable for processing RAW files but you haven't said whether you shoot those or jpg's. It's other function, that of cataloguing, may be over the top unless you value its capacity to deal with entered keywords for image referencing / searching. Its library functions do rather dominate its interface and its operation in that area can often seem non-intuitive. Perhaps more valuable to those who want to structure a huge image archive. In some ways it's quite clunky. Photoshop CS2 is still sweet and I don't suppose many people use even half its capabilty.
 
CS2 is/was of its time and as an upgrade, I would definitely recommend Lightroom. It is a very capable software suite that allows non destructive changes to RAW images and a very good cataloging system that is worth investing in and, as you gave some of those principles embedded should pay you dividends
 
Hi, Thing is you already have a program that has layers amongst it's arsenal among other parts not available in Lightroom however and IMO today's Lightroom can do nearly everything a photo needs doing to it especially if you as you say GET IT RIGHT IN CAMERA. If it was me I would keep the P/S CS2 and run it along with Lightroom if that is possible and sure someone will give more info on that.
Download the trial of L/R and see how you get on, it's free to try and you don't have to buy!!!
Russ
 
Hi, Thing is you already have a program that has layers amongst it's arsenal among other parts not available in Lightroom however and IMO today's Lightroom can do nearly everything a photo needs doing to it especially if you as you say GET IT RIGHT IN CAMERA. If it was me I would keep the P/S CS2 and run it along with Lightroom if that is possible and sure someone will give more info on that.
Download the trial of L/R and see how you get on, it's free to try and you don't have to buy!!!
Russ

I use CS2 and Lightroom. I used CS2 for several years before using Lightroom. I find Lightroom much easier to use - I can look at an image and think I want to change the look of it in a certain way, and very often I can use the sliders to achieve what I want, quickly and easily. I find it especially good for handling the distribution/quality/manipulation of light, clarity and colour, both globally across an image and locally within an image, which is a large part of my PP. For this I use the global sliders and also localised changes using the excellent radial filters and, less often, the adjustment brush. I find I can sometimes achieve results in Lightroom that I find more pleasing/credible than I was able to achieve in CS2 no matter how hard I tried.

Lightroom lets you make "virtual copies" of image so you can try different processing on separate versions of an image and compare the results.

I also find Lightroom's approach to cropping much better than anything else I have used.

I usually use Lightroom for rotation/horizon levelling, perspective control and correcting barrel/pincushion distortion, lens vignetting and chromatic aberration.

Lightroom has some powerful facilities for image comparison and selection. This matters to me because I am often dealing with 600 - 1,000+ images from a morning's shooting (close-ups, out of doors), 90-95% of which will be thrown away. Finding the good ones is, and picking out the best of them, is a significant task, and Lightroom provides powerful facilities to help with this. Although the facilities are powerful and convenient once you know how to use them, the interface can take some time and experimentation to get a handle on. Having done that though, I find it works very well.

Lightroom has some good facilities for adding keywords and other "markers" (red/yellow/green/blue/purple, 0/1/2/3/4/5, flagged/unflagged/rejected) to images and later finding images using those keywords, markers and other information such as filenames, text within metadata, dates, cameras and lenses used, aperture, focal length, use of flash etc. You can also make virtual collections containing images from any of your storage media, so you can assemble sets of images for particular purposes such as presentations. Here too, the interface takes a bit of getting used to.

You can do bulk operations on selected images (which might be in a single folder or in a virtual collection that is spread around multiple folders). This includes things such as setting keywords and markers. You can also do bulk operations when editing images. For example, you can copy the editing settings, or some of them, from one image to other selected images. You can choose which editing settings to copy. For example, when I use a grey card I can set the white balance from it and then copy this white balance across to lots of other images in one move. When I have a set of images of a particular subject, especially when I am having trouble getting the basics right because of problems with the images such as underexposure, I find it extremely useful to be able to work on one, get it right, and then transfer selected settings such as exposure, highlights, shadows etc to all the others with the same issues. When images are in a poor state out of the camera I often do a quick application of changes such as exposure and shadows at the outset so I can see enough to tell which images are worth considering.

There are some things Lightroom does not do very well, or at all. The output sharpening doesn't give me the control I need, and I use CS2 for this. I need strong noise reduction, applied to parts of images, and to achieve this I use layers in CS2 in combination with a pair of images from Lightroom, one with strong noise reduction and one with no noise reduction. For all but the simplest cases, I usually use CS2 for cloning, which in Lightroom I find rather clunky, slow and frustrating to use and sometimes completely ineffective. I use CS2 for some stretching/squashing/warping operations on backgrounds, which is not available in Lightroom. I use CS2 for difficult cases of Highlight reduction and/or Shadow recovery, as its facilities are stronger and more adjustable than Lightroom's.

I find Lightroom and CS2 a good combination for my needs and ways of working. As a result I have no inclination whatsoever to move to Adobe's rental arrangement for more recent versions of CS. This does need to be seen in context though - I do use other software for multi-image work: Autopano Pro for panoramas, Zerene Stacker for stacking close-ups to get more dof, and Photomatix essentials for (realistic) HDR. If I didn't have these other applications then later versions of CS might (I don't know) be more appealing.

It is incidentally very easy to do some processing in Lightroom and then send a tiff file (loses no information) across to CS2 (and also other applications such as AutoPano, Zerene and Photomatix). In fact, you can then if you need to (I virtually never do) save as tiff from CS2 and import it back into Lightroom to work on it some more.
 
I used CS2 before moving on to LR. I find processing images in LR far more intuitive.

I'm probably a less demanding user than GardenersHelper above, and use fewer of LR's features, but for me it is still a great program, well worth the purchase price and the cost of updates.

If anything, though, it runs the risk of becoming too overloaded with features.

You can, of course still transfer your images to CS2 direct from LR if you wish.
 
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Thanks all - some really thoughtful feedback which has given me plenty to consider and I appreciate the time taken to write the responses. I suppose one thing which is slightly daunting is the potential array of PP software. Nick (Gardenershelper) lists a number of things which I've never even heard of, but I'm sure could improve my images even more. As a relative novice I'd like to establish a basic workflow and go from there. I'm interested in the comment that LR is more intuitive and I particularly like the idea of being able to apply the same settings to multiple images. Maybe I'll get the trial version or a copy off ebay. Its not too expensive compared to CS so might be worth a punt.

Can anyone recommend a guide or good tutorial on workflow/basics in LR?
 
Can anyone recommend a guide or good tutorial on workflow/basics in LR?

I found that you can just jump straight in and start using it. It will be a different experience to using PS, and it will take a while before you get to grips with all of it - if ever you do. It took me a while to get used to the idea that your processed images do not have a life of their own until you export them. They remain as RAW files and when you open one up LR links it to the processing instructions you have created for it which are stored in the LR catalogue.
 
Thanks all - some really thoughtful feedback which has given me plenty to consider and I appreciate the time taken to write the responses. I suppose one thing which is slightly daunting is the potential array of PP software. Nick (Gardenershelper) lists a number of things which I've never even heard of, but I'm sure could improve my images even more. As a relative novice I'd like to establish a basic workflow and go from there. I'm interested in the comment that LR is more intuitive and I particularly like the idea of being able to apply the same settings to multiple images. Maybe I'll get the trial version or a copy off ebay. Its not too expensive compared to CS so might be worth a punt.

Can anyone recommend a guide or good tutorial on workflow/basics in LR?
Hi, Please do not get a copy from Ebay get it from Adobe as a download, in fact I believe if you download the trial you can make a full version buy purchasing the activation code from Adobe.
For video instruction you cannot beat for free
http://www.jkost.com/lightroom.html

or

http://laurashoe.com/lightroom-5-tutorials/

and for written questions on Lightroom hard to beat

http://www.lightroomforums.net/forum.php

Russ
 
Can anyone recommend a guide or good tutorial on workflow/basics in LR?

When I started out with Lightroom I found it very helpful to watch the Lightroom video tutorials from Adobe.

(I then bought Martin Evening's book on Lightroom (4 in my case, but 5 now of course). It is expensive at around £30, but I found it very, very thorough and understandable. It is large, 600+ pages, but easy to read, and you can dip into the bits that interest you most and catch up on other areas later as and when appropriate. Not everyone's cup of tea of course. :))
 
thanks both - very helpful, and I will have a look. I've got Martin Evenings CS3 book and it is very useful even if it goes into waaaay more depth than I will ever need.

Out of interest Russ - why not buy off ebay?
 
Ebay is full of dodgy software, especially if it seems too cheap.

Try the 30 day trial. If you like it, buy it. Discount codes for genuine software crops up from time to time to help save money.
 
thanks both - very helpful, and I will have a look. I've got Martin Evenings CS3 book and it is very useful even if it goes into waaaay more depth than I will ever need.

Out of interest Russ - why not buy off ebay?
Hi, I got caught, bought Photoshop CS6, came in a box and looked every bit the part however after I had it up and running for about 3 days I get an on screen message that the activation is a fake, lucky that I advised the seller and Ebay and got a full refund. The funny thing was Ebay advised me to return the item to the seller although I had told them it was pirate software, could not quite understand that one!!
Buy from Adobe or an authorised dealer and you no you get is genuine.
Russ
 
Ah ok - certainly a cautionary tale, however I have bought software off ebay before and only once had an issue (which was a genuine mistake and the seller rectified it immediately).

I guess it's no different to buying anything else off ebay - look at the seller's feedback and if all else fails trust to ebay/paypal protection.
 
Buying software from Ebay is a great idea because you get so many extras included - spyware, malware, key-loggers.
 
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