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Is this the "Kill'em all let God sort'em out bit?

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
 
Keith W said:
Again more old testament
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Why do Christians think they can pick and choose which bits of the book to follow?

On the one hand, it's OK to be anti abortion, anti gay etc. But then it's ok to eat bacon and shellfish. And we're definitely ignoring the rape, murder and incest.

Jesus said lots of bad things about rich people being immoral, and never once mentioned homosexuality. How typical is that of his 'followers'?
 
Phil V said:
Well here y go. ;)
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Was that about the LRA which is an organised group, albeit focused on a small local geographic region.

Don't get me wrong I agree with the interpretation that it is a peaceful faith, and the vast vast vast majority is. However that doesn't mean that daesh isn't Islamic.
 
Yes, we all know they'd prefer the old testament didn't exist.
 
Cobra said:
April 1990
EAST BERLIN — After four decades of denying a dark past,
East Germany today apologized to Israel and all Jews for the Nazi Holocaust and accepted joint responsibility for the slaughter of 6 million Jews during World War II.

November 2006 Blair apologised for Britain part in the slave trade, but chose his words carefully to avoid any "legal retort"
(TBH you can't blame him for that, not in this litigation culture we now live in.)

August 2007 Ken Livingstone apologised publicly ( when he was Lord mayor) for London part in the slave trade.
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People in charge of countries / city administration, for things that the place they were notionally in charge of had committed in the past. Still a stupid thing to expect them to do to be honest. But also, not the same scale as expecting every Londoner to publicly denounce the slave trade.
 
And when I say it's a stupid thing to expect, I mean it's fine to express remorse over the past actions of a nation. But you can't apologise for something you didn't do.
 
Phil V said:
Jesus said lots of bad things about rich people being immoral,
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Damn what a b*****d, glad I ticked no religion on the census. Slightly surprised there aren't more Christians. Surely the whole Corbyn movement should be followers of Christ </tenuous Link>
 
dejongj said:
Damn what a b*****d, glad I ticked no religion on the census. Slightly surprised there aren't more Christians. Surely the whole Corbyn movement should be followers of Christ </tenuous Link>
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You know, socialists don't hate rich people, they just believe that being rich shouldn't be able to buy yet more influence, because there's only one logical conclusion, and that's where we have landed.
 
Keith W said:
How about you answer @LASTOLITE instead of trying to deflect?
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Laughable, you accuse me of deflecting!!!

His words were "Direct scripture that permits me to kill people who do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior."

The Collins dictionary (and others) defines scripture as:

  1. Also called: : Holy Scripture, Holy Writ, the Scriptures (Christianity) the Old and New Testaments
  2. any book or body of writings, esp when regarded as sacred by a particular religious group
I answered by posted links that answer his point from scripture.

Now, in the spirit of not deflecting. Same god? Same "holy book"?
 
Phil V said:
Why do Christians think they can pick and choose which bits of the book to follow?
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Why do non-Christians think that Christians have to follow the Mosaic Law, a law specifically between God and the Jews and cancelled with the coming of Jesus Christ, the originator of the Christian Church?
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Laughable, you accuse me of deflecting!!!

His words were "Direct scripture that permits me to kill people who do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior."

The Collins dictionary (and others) defines scripture as:

  1. Also called: : Holy Scripture, Holy Writ, the Scriptures (Christianity) the Old and New Testaments
  2. any book or body of writings, esp when regarded as sacred by a particular religious group
I answered by posted links that answer his point from scripture.

Now, in the spirit of not deflecting. Same god? Same "holy book"?
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Enjoy arguing with yourself
 
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gramps said:
Why do non-Christians think that Christians have to follow the Mosaic Law, a law specifically between God and the Jews and cancelled with the coming of Jesus Christ, the originator of the Christian Church?
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So god was once a violent, malevolent instigator of murder. Then he changed?
 
gramps said:
Why do non-Christians think that Christians have to follow the Mosaic Law, a law specifically between God and the Jews and cancelled with the coming of Jesus Christ, the originator of the Christian Church?
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So why do so many of your fellow Christians cling on to lots of Old Testament beliefs?

I've no idea what you believe, but you can't pretend that no 'Christians' cling onto some Old Testament ideologies, I don't give a monkeys what you think I believe about Christianity, but you've sat aside and seen some 'Christians' on this forum with some pretty disgusting attitudes (which they claim is compatible with their faith)
 
KitsuneAndy said:
And when I say it's a stupid thing to expect, I mean it's fine to express remorse over the past actions of a nation. But you can't apologise for something you didn't do.
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I don't think anyone is expecting every single Muslim to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness, but just like our "leaders" have apologies for ( some of the) atrocities in the past,
Muslim leaders could do the same, and renounce / denounce the actions of the radicals, some have done, but unfortunately somehaven't and openly support the actions of the radical.
I think this is where some most of the problem lies, and they all end up tarred with the same brush.


gramps said:
Why do non-Christians think that Christians have to follow the Mosaic Law, a law specifically between God and the Jews and cancelled with the coming of Jesus Christ, the originator of the Christian Church?
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What I find crazy ( besides all religion per se) is the fact that someone somewhere though crap, this isn't working, hit the reset button, re-wrote the scriptures and said, OK from now on, lets do it this way.
And even more crazy 2000+ later, we are still ( more or less) living by those rules.
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
So god was once a violent, malevolent instigator of murder. Then he changed?
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Not at all, God as Creator has the right to remove wickedness if he chooses to ... read up on the activities of the Canaanites and other nations, including child sacrifice and the like.
 
Phil V said:
So why do so many of your fellow Christians cling on to lots of Old Testament beliefs?

I've no idea what you believe, but you can't pretend that no 'Christians' cling onto some Old Testament ideologies, I don't give a monkeys what you think I believe about Christianity, but you've sat aside and seen some 'Christians' on this forum with some pretty disgusting attitudes (which they claim is compatible with their faith)
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As in another thread, many people call themselves Christian but their actions prove their claim to be false.
The OT has some valuable principles, e.g. the compulsory provision for widows and orphans, the requirement to provide hospitality to strangers etc but Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they are under the Law of Christ. The problem is that the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian has been lost in our secular society.
 
LASTOLITE said:
He was not a Commited Christian -
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"Breivik condemned Pope Benedict XVI for his dialogue with Islam: "Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope." It will thus be necessary, writes Breivik, to overthrow the Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, after which a "Great Christian Congress" would set up a new European Church."

boom!!!!!!!
 
gramps said:
As in another thread, many people call themselves Christian but their actions prove their claim to be false.
The OT has some valuable principles, e.g. the compulsory provision for widows and orphans, the requirement to provide hospitality to strangers etc but Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they are under the Law of Christ. The problem is that the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian has been lost in our secular society.
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I have never heard of mosaic law. But I do know that the bible is the "holy" book. I also know it is very easy to find many passages in the bible, some of which were mentioned above, that demonstrate the hateful, violent nature of this god. But when those are mentioned to christians the mantra is "old testament, so doesn't count.". Doesn't change the fact that it's the same bible, it's the same god.
It does appear that the bible is only god's word when it suits.
 
gramps said:
The problem is that the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian has been lost in our secular society.
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I agree mostly, but I would further suggest that its the literal meaning, not the true meaning, that has been lost, as I said before I don''t see why you can't live a Christian life without going to Church or praying in the comfort of your own home "as and when" do you really need to do that, to be a Christian?
( serious question BTW)
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I have never heard of mosaic law. But I do know that the bible is the "holy" book. I also know it is very easy to find many passages in the bible, some of which were mentioned above, that demonstrate the hateful, violent nature of this god. But when those are mentioned to christians the mantra is "old testament, so doesn't count.". Doesn't change the fact that it's the same bible, it's the same god.
It does appear that the bible is only god's word when it suits.
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The entire Bible is the inspired word of God, Old Testament and New but I suggest you do a little research on the Mosaic Law before you continue your line of argument, you clearly have a perverted view of God.
 
gramps said:
As in another thread, many people call themselves Christian but their actions prove their claim to be false.
The OT has some valuable principles, e.g. the compulsory provision for widows and orphans, the requirement to provide hospitality to strangers etc but Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, they are under the Law of Christ. The problem is that the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian has been lost in our secular society.
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There we disagree, the true meaning of being a Christian has nothing to do with the Secular society, non-believers aren't obliged to hold 'Christian' beliefs. The issue is the people who believe themselves to be Christians who don't agree with you.

And that's the crux, those 'Christian' white supremacists would say that you're the one with the wrong Christian values, those people bombing abortion clinics... Etc etc.

But mostly! Why do threads discussing the evil of some Islamic fundamentalists always end up discussing Christianity?

Simply because some 'holier than though' Christian tries to make political gain from the situation. That's what is totally scandalous. I don't really want to belittle anyone's belief, but when people try to promote their superiority because of their choice of mythical being, I'm afraid they've put themselves up for ridicule.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I don't give a flying f*** about Jesus but that doesn't mean I am not courteous and respectful to those that I meet. I brought my children up knowing right from wrong without the need of a mythical being in the ether. I don't steal, kill, rape etc and that has nothing to do with any deity. I am inspired on a daily basis by things I read, and none of them come from a supposedly holy book. One can live a peaceful, good life without having to defer to a higher being. However, I am destined to eternal damnation for denying his existence. Lovely guy your god. f*** him.
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Exactly this - all this.
 
gramps said:
the true meaning of what it means to be a Christian has been lost in our secular society.
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And with any luck that will continue.
 
andy700 said:
"Breivik condemned Pope Benedict XVI for his dialogue with Islam: "Pope Benedict has abandoned Christianity and all Christian Europeans and is to be considered a cowardly, incompetent, corrupt and illegitimate Pope." It will thus be necessary, writes Breivik, to overthrow the Protestant and Catholic hierarchies, after which a "Great Christian Congress" would set up a new European Church."

boom!!!!!!!
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Breivik rambled a lot of incoherent nonsense. Culturally a Christian, but not religiously from what I can see or what he has said.
 
Cobra said:
April 1990
EAST BERLIN — After four decades of denying a dark past,
East Germany today apologized to Israel and all Jews for the Nazi Holocaust and accepted joint responsibility for the slaughter of 6 million Jews during World War II.

November 2006 Blair apologised for Britain part in the slave trade, but chose his words carefully to avoid any "legal retort"
(TBH you can't blame him for that, not in this litigation culture we now live in.)

August 2007 Ken Livingstone apologised publicly ( when he was Lord mayor) for London part in the slave trade.
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Japan apologised to Australian POW's

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-04/japan-says-sorry-to-former-australian-pows/1966180
 
Anyone watching the channel 4 undercover footage? Can't say I'm too surprised.
 
Cobra said:
I agree mostly, but I would further suggest that its the literal meaning, not the true meaning, that has been lost, as I said before I don''t see why you can't live a Christian life without going to Church or praying in the comfort of your own home "as and when" do you really need to do that, to be a Christian?
( serious question BTW)
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To be a Christian requires following Jesus Christ and his teachings, you cannot do that in isolation, love for God and neighbour requires action, including following the Bible's command to meet together for worship (Hebrews 10:24,25).
You can lead a good life from your own armchair to some degree but you cannot live a Christian life of following in Jesus' footsteps from your armchair, (disability obviously discounted).
 
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