Shooting and Explosions in Paris

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dejongj said:
You by yourself, just a nutcase. But if many of you start doing that and spreading around the world, and gaining many canon followers than yes Canon has a problem and must act to gets its name back.
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But (to keep the anology going) Canon doesn't actually exist, so can't defend itself. Only other Canon followers can speak up, and when they do, all the Nikonians shout them down, pick holes, or rubbish their claims. Every other camera follower joins in, even Pentax users can join in and have a common enemy)

The only people who can see how ridiculous this is, don't own cameras, and have nothing to gain from the debate, and they're stood aside and can't believe the gullibility of all the camera owners and see them all as being as bad as each other.

Of course, any minute now a Nikonians will turn up and say 'that's ridiculous, when did a Nikon owner ever do anything that bad' without researching whether it ever happened, and when we point out that it's happened loads of times, they'll shrug and say, but it's not happening now, and when we say, maybe not yesterday, but it's hardly ancient history, they'll respond by saying, they're not true Nikon users, they sometimes used 3rd party lenses, it's Sigmas fault not Nikon's.

Etc etc etc.
 
/\ LOL Love it Phil (y)

Phil V said:
they'll respond by saying, they're not true Nikon users, they sometimes used 3rd party lenses, it's Sigmas fault not Nikon's.
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Then you ban all camera's except Canon, for they are the one true Camera ( whether they exist or not) (y)
 
So glad I'm agnocamerastic with pancameraistic tendencies - means I can use whatever suits/fits me without feeling guilty (or "quire" boys...)
 
cambsno said:
We are all born atheists. Until someone starts telling us lies!
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But you'll only know if they're lies or not when you're dead and it's too late... maybe folk are just hedging their bets?

I think that taking the very best bits from a religion might be a good way to live your life. For example I like the "do unto others as you would have done unto you" bit and as a bit of bedroom advice I can't fault it. All that begetting must have taught them something.
 
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Rapscallion said:
I find it very strange that you think a public denunciation of these extremists is the issue being 'ignored and brushed under the carpet'. How can a public message be that? It can't.
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Because they state that these people aren't part of their "club", they state they aren't Islamic. As we all know they are, to me that comes across as ignoring them, like it has nothing to do with them. That is why it can.
 
Phil V said:
But (to keep the anology going) Canon doesn't actually exist, so can't defend itself. Only other Canon followers can speak up, and when they do, all the Nikonians shout them down, pick holes, or rubbish their claims. Every other camera follower joins in, even Pentax users can join in and have a common enemy)

The only people who can see how ridiculous this is, don't own cameras, and have nothing to gain from the debate, and they're stood aside and can't believe the gullibility of all the camera owners and see them all as being as bad as each other.

Of course, any minute now a Nikonians will turn up and say 'that's ridiculous, when did a Nikon owner ever do anything that bad' without researching whether it ever happened, and when we point out that it's happened loads of times, they'll shrug and say, but it's not happening now, and when we say, maybe not yesterday, but it's hardly ancient history, they'll respond by saying, they're not true Nikon users, they sometimes used 3rd party lenses, it's Sigmas fault not Nikon's.

Etc etc etc.
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Yes I get the point, but the point isn't that just because nikonians do or have done bad things as well that canons can do them as well. Neither should be doing this. But at the moment and in recent history it's those damn canons L users that keep on at it, whilst the rest of the canons say that those L users aren't really canons.
 
Cobra said:
/\ LOL Love it Phil (y)


Then you ban all camera's except Canon, for they are the one true Camera ( whether they exist or not) (y)
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ROFLMAO and therein lies the problem ;)
 
andy700 said:
The headline is about UK women supporters of ISIL, so why did you decide that the programme was about "UK dwelling moderates"?
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Well the gist of the advert for the doco was about what we may think and what we may believe some moderate UK based women of that particular following may be saying about things happening in Paris and the things we may all think are not true. Draw your own conclusions from it.
 
Like the Cannon Nikon analogy though. could that be the real thread closer? I mean it has the potential to get real ugly.........:)
 
LASTOLITE said:
Well the gist of the advert for the doco was about what we may think and what we may believe some moderate UK based women of that particular following may be saying about things happening in Paris and the things we may all think are not true. Draw your own conclusions from it.
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The gist of the advert for the documentary, and indeed the documentary itself, was to feed people their own special bias, and have those who can't draw their own conclusions, buy it.
 
dejongj said:
Yes I get the point, but the point isn't that just because nikonians do or have done bad things as well that canons can do them as well. Neither should be doing this. But at the moment and in recent history it's those damn canons L users that keep on at it, whilst the rest of the canons say that those L users aren't really canons.
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They are all Canons and no amount of cleaning is gonna remove the S/N sorry........They need a change from inside and only one way that can be done. a change of heart!!!
 
viv1969 said:
The gist of the advert for the documentary, and indeed the documentary itself, was to feed people their own special bias, and have those who can't draw their own conclusions, buy it.
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...........Well in that case the secret filming of .............well everything is fruitless! Lets see what they think honestly think, C'mon get it out in the open Mr and Mrs who ever and be up front.......not gonna happen in this case its a mandate for the infidel. Lies and deception are ok in this instance.

Dash cams are no good?
Secret filming of football players accepting cash for a dive or a fix......no good?
Secret filming of arms deals...no good?

and so on.......I want to know what the agenda is ......We dont know do we, there is one though and its the elephant in the room!
 
For ever moment of eventful dashcam footage, there's hours of mind numbing boredom.
I wonder how much of the secret filming revealed nothing.
I wonder how much of that they'll show.
 
YEP Viv Its the crash that we all want to know about though, and if its you and you need to know how it will effect you, your car, your insurance and so on.

Imagine you have been filmed asking 3 of your mates to put in a false claim on a rear end impact and its me who is the driver of the car that hit you, I would be very happy if I could get you on camera admiting the conspiracy to commit a fraudulent claim against me.......I could care less how long it took as long as I had it....evidence that is to show you for the person you really are...in this case if it were true you would be a liar and a cheat and a fraudulent claimant.

Similar to other secret fiming type thingies......catching people in a deception........same thing!
 
My point is if you film long enough, you'll capture something distasteful.
It doesn't mean the majority hold those views or carry out those actions....far from it.
In this case they're only showing that which they know will stir ill feeling toward a certain section of society, at a time people are eager to embrace it.
I don't believe they'll offer any balance... Only the extreme.
 
viv1969 said:
My point is if you film long enough, you'll capture something distasteful.
It doesn't mean the majority hold those views or carry out those actions....far from it.
In this case they're only showing that which they know will stir ill feeling toward a certain section of society, at a time people are eager to embrace it.
I don't believe they'll offer any balance... Only the extreme.
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Maybe we should wait with the judgement until one has actually seen the documentary. It could be said that you are for example are showing an anti bias. I don't think we should ever underestimate people who've never been allowed a free mind to think for themselves, to question things. People like that who live in society where there is not just a religious but also cultural clash. It's a good place for those who want to offer something else and a promise to end their sexual frustrations as well (as per intelligence analysis).
 
BBR said:
What about Budhists?
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Oh yeah......In Sri Lanka the civil war between the mostly Buddhist Sinhalese majority and the Hindu Tamil minority has cost 50,000 lives.
Ask them how they feel about it.
Oh....wait......
 
viv1969 said:
Oh yeah......In Sri Lanka the civil war between the mostly Buddhist Sinhalese majority and the Hindu Tamil minority has cost 50,000 lives.
Ask them how they feel about it.
Oh....wait......
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And Myanmar

On Feb. 11, Myanmar’s President Thein Sein rescinded a voting rights offer to the country’s Rohingya community amid intense pressure from far-right Buddhist groups.

The campaign against the Rohingya and Muslims in Myanmar is spearheaded by controversial monk Ashin Wirathu. Once referred to as the “Burmese bin Laden,

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html



Last September, a Burmese monk stepped off a plane in Colombo, Sri Lanka, and was warmly greeted by a taller, similarly dressed Sri Lankan monk.

This seemingly innocuous scene was in fact a meeting between representatives of two radically extremist Theravada monastic groups: Ashin Wirathu Thero of the 696 Movement in Burma (Myanmar) and Dilantha Withanag of the Bodhu Bala Sena (BBS) group in Sri Lanka.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2015/05/29/4245049.htm

http://time.com/3090990/how-an-extremist-buddhist-network-is-sowing-hatred-across-asia/
 
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I assume that the majority of Christians must support what Anders Breivik did since they didn't all immediately flood the news and social media with their apologies for his actions.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I assume that the majority of Christians must support what Anders Breivik did since they didn't all immediately flood the news and social media with their apologies for his actions.
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Norway has learned nothing from the terrible events of 22 July 2011, whenAnders Breivik killed 77 young people on the island of Utøya, according to Norwegian author and journalist Åsne Seierstad.

“We are hiding it under the carpet and I don’t think we have learned anything from it,” the writer told the Edinburgh international book festival.

“To some extent it wants to forget about it,” she said of Norway’s reaction to the horror. “It doesn’t want to deal with what happened.”

http://www.theguardian.com/books/20...hing-from-anders-breivik-massacre-says-author
 
This is becoming like a newsfeed :(
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I assume that the majority of Christians must support what Anders Breivik did since they didn't all immediately flood the news and social media with their apologies for his actions.
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And if they did publicly denounce his actions as being un-chrisitan they would be criticised for sweeping things under the carpet.....:oops: :$

#nowinsituation.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I assume that the majority of Christians must support what Anders Breivik did since they didn't all immediately flood the news and social media with their apologies for his actions.
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Good point. And that loon in Sweden a few weeks ago who thought he was Darth Vader, and the one who tried to chop an Asian dentist's head off in a Mold supermarket.
 
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neil_g said:
Belgians tweet cat pictures during #BrusselsLockdown
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They breed their mice big in Brussels.
its the Van Damme gene you know :D
 
Cobra said:
They breed their mice big in Brussels.
its the Van Damme gene you know :D
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That's only 5'9'' isn't it?

OK....for a rodent that's sizeable.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I assume that the majority of Christians must support what Anders Breivik did since they didn't all immediately flood the news and social media with their apologies for his actions.
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If he was part of an groups, let's call them Canon State :), and they continued their onslaught on multiple fronts, then yes you have an excellent point. :thumbs:
 
dejongj said:
If he was part of an groups, let's call them Canon State :), and they continued their onslaught on multiple fronts, then yes you have an excellent point. (y)
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You cant ignore the issue and brush it under the carpet by suggesting that they he isn't part of a larger organised group.
 
dejongj said:
If he was part of an groups, let's call them Canon State :), and they continued their onslaught on multiple fronts, then yes you have an excellent point. (y)
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I assume all Christians must be in favor of the the lords resistance army as etc.. ( also IRA /KKK/ Christian identity etc)
 
Rapscallion said:
You cant ignore the issue and brush it under the carpet by suggesting that they he isn't part of a larger organised group.
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As I said, excellent point enlighten us, which large organised terror group was he part of? And what other massacres have they been responsible for? (y)
 
dejongj said:
If he was part of an groups, let's call them Canon State :), and they continued their onslaught on multiple fronts, then yes you have an excellent point. (y)
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So because the paris attacks were part of an organised group such as ISIS, all muslims must for some reason express their disgust otherwise they're seen as part of the problem? Buf if a christian commits a barbaric act, no other christians have to denounce it, because they're not part of a larger sect?
 
These days its mostly terrorist groups with a Muslim faith that do the attacking
 
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