Shooting and Explosions in Paris

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BBC update:

Reuters: 'Around 140 dead'
Posted at00:40


Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

In the last few minutes, however, the iTele channel said the latest toll is 118 dead.
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Heard reports of the hostages being systematically executed one by one before the police stormed then a grenade/grenades were thrown as the Police entered.

I've been to many gigs of that size, even one in Paris. I can't begin to imagine the horror.
 
viv1969 said:
FTFY
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I think it's highly likely that humans were killing humans before the first religion. Look at what other animals do... there's nothing that we humans do, as in steal, rape and murder, that animals don't do and as animals don't AFAIK follow any religion I don't think we can really blame it all on the God botherers.
 
Why France again? Is security lax there? Are they playing a large part in Syria? Surely we are a bigger player so more of an obvious target?
 
woof woof said:
I think it's highly likely that humans were killing humans before the first religion. Look at what other animals do... there's nothing that we humans do, as in steal, rape and murder, that animals don't do and as animals don't AFAIK follow any religion I don't think we can really blame it all on the God botherers.
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Which is why I said might.
 
woof woof said:
I think it's highly likely that humans were killing humans before the first religion. Look at what other animals do... there's nothing that we humans do, as in steal, rape and murder, that animals don't do and as animals don't AFAIK follow any religion I don't think we can really blame it all on the God botherers.
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The thing is, given the grave consequences of the act, you need a damn good reason to kill these day, which is why most of us don't act like animals.

However, if you brainwash a person from birth to believe the one true god is on their side, unbelievers are worthless and when they die they are going to paradise, you give them a rock solid reason to commit these acts. So yes, I blame religion for this tonight. Not Islam. All religion. It's a terrible virus our species just can't shake, because it's passed on from parent to child.
 
Yes, let's keep religion and politics out of tonight's discussion as they clearly haven't anything to do with recent events. Obvs.

I fear for us facing our new future with so many apologists in our midst.
 
FujiLove said:
The thing is, given the grave consequences of the act, you need a damn good reason to kill these day, which is why most of us don't act like animals.

However, if you brainwash a person from birth to believe the one true god is on their side, unbelievers are worthless and when they die they are going to paradise, you give them a rock solid reason to commit these acts. So yes, I blame religion for this tonight. Not Islam. All religion. It's a terrible virus our species just can't shake, because it's passed on from parent to child.
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Well, allocating blame to religion is your right but it's my right to disagree with you. We've seen terrible crimes committed because of the colour of a persons skin, people will use any reason to justify their actions. I don't blame religion, I blame the evil doers.

viv1969 said:
Which is why I said might.
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Sadly I don't think it's "might." I think it's "would."

I do wonder if this will ever end. We might have seen an end to major wars between the industrialised nations of the west but it seems that new horrors have come along.
 
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Fortunately reports of survivors in the theatre.

@dngbbc: French reporter says several dozen people in concert hall survived as they were in upper levels and hid from gunmen

1:06am - 14 Nov 15
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FujiLove said:
So yes, I blame religion for this tonight. Not Islam. All religion.
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Because the holy bible tells you to kill and destroy... oh no it doesn't. Fail. Epic fail. However there are clear references (waging Jihad) in the other political system book.
 
We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow.

It's not going to end here. We take out Jihadi John and this happens? Coincidence?
 
Meeten said:
We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow.

It's not going to end here. We take out Jihadi John and this happens? Coincidence?
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I don't know, but I suspect that it may have been a coincidence, or the timing of an attack that was already planned and with the resources in place, was brought forward.
 
simonblue said:
Shame to see some members are trying to make political gain,before these poor people caught up in this bodies are even cold :mad:

And the same for 2blue4u (n)
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I'd read that as sarcastic :confused:
 
neil_g said:
And yet the church has a lot of blood on its hands throughout history.

Can we move on now?
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Look at that word, history. Many things have happened over the years but it's the present that we should be concerned about.
 
cambsno said:
Look at that word, history. Many things have happened over the years but it's the present that we should be concerned about.
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Present events are tomorrow's history.

Terrible events in Paris. Thoughts are with the victims' families.
 
cambsno said:
Why France again? Is security lax there? Are they playing a large part in Syria? Surely we are a bigger player so more of an obvious target?
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It's probably simply numbers. If the assumption is that the perpetrators align themselves with a particular religion then 9.6% of the population here in France (I live in France) are from that religion as opposed to 4.6% in the UK.
As for French v British involvement.....British media reports British involvement whereas French media concentrates on French involvement. By watching both you'd be hard pressed to decide who's playing the greater part.

Bob
 
cambsno said:
Look at that word, history. Many things have happened over the years but it's the present that we should be concerned about.
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What like the Christian militias Anti-Balaka massacring muslims in 2014?

Or perhaps the Charleston church shooting this year?

Or even the last IRA murder in 2012?

when does it become just history?
 
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cambsno said:
Why France again? Is security lax there? Are they playing a large part in Syria? Surely we are a bigger player so more of an obvious target?
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Nothing to do with security. An attack can happen anywhere at any given time and in any country. They only have to get through once.
Don't forget France has a large Muslim population from its former colonies in Northern Africa, Syria etc so easier for a few of these demented religious nut cases to carry out attacks on home soil, after all, doesn't matter where you live, all of us in the west are their targets.
 
norters said:
These killings have nothing at all to do with religion and everything to do with murder. Do you honestly think the uda or the ira gave a crap about religion? No. They cared about killing each other.
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It has everything to do with an ideology derived from an interpretation of a religion. You cannot compare political terrorism with religious terrorism. One you can tackle, the other you cannot,
 
NeilA1975 said:
It has everything to do with an ideology derived from an interpretation of a religion. You cannot compare political terrorism with religious terrorism. One you can tackle, the other you cannot,
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Exactly.
 
Phil V said:
I'm as anti religion as it comes, but looking to blame religion for this is part of the problem not the solution.
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Irrespective of ones personal take on the matter, fact is, religion has played a significant role in not only this attack, but all attacks in Europe in recent years by those with a particular ideology. What happened in France, again, was not politically motivated.
 
NeilA1975 said:
It has everything to do with an ideology derived from an interpretation of a religion. You cannot compare political terrorism with religious terrorism. One you can tackle, the other you cannot,
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b******t!

If there's a history of this happening before, and it's not all still happening, it was obviously tackled before.

Which is why we have to study history, and understand cause and effect rather than flailing our fists about like a drunk.
 
NeilA1975 said:
Irrespective of ones personal take on the matter, fact is, religion has played a significant role in not only this attack, but all attacks in Europe in recent years by those with a particular ideology. What happened in France, again, was not politically motivated.
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Really? So the rise of IS is a religious phenomenon? It has nothing to do with recent history in the region?

:ROFLMAO:

Hilarious!
 
My last comment suggested i'm in agreement that its all about religion, i don't. I was just pointing out muslims isn't the only religious group linked to terrorism in recent years. Muslims themselves are by far the biggest victims of isis not us.
 
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Phil V said:
b******t!

If there's a history of this happening before, and it's not all still happening, it was obviously tackled before.

Which is why we have to study history, and understand cause and effect rather than flailing our fists about like a drunk.
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Oh dear.
Well it is still happening and it hasn't been tackled, clearly.
 
NeilA1975 said:
Oh dear.
Well it is still happening and it hasn't been tackled, clearly.
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But all previous occurrences aren't still happening are they? How do you think they stopped? Magic?

Sometimes, studying will give a better understanding and produce results that ill informed kneejerk reactions can't get close to.
 
Phil V said:
Really? So the rise of IS is a religious phenomenon? It has nothing to do with recent history in the region?

:ROFLMAO:

Hilarious!
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Sorry what's hilarious? That religious nutters are running around killing innocent people?
 
Phil V said:
But all previous occurrences aren't still happening are they? How do you think they stopped? Magic?

Sometimes, studying will give a better understanding and produce results that ill informed kneejerk reactions can't get close to.
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You're clearly misinformed if you believe that Islamic extremism and its ideology has 'stopped'.
Absolutely, agree with your second statement, perhaps you should take your own medicine.
 
rjbell said:
What like the Christian militias Anti-Balaka massacring muslims in 2014?

Or perhaps the Charleston church shooting this year?

Or even the last IRA murder in 2012?

when does it become just history?
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Things like the Charleston shooting are the acts of individual madman and will always happen under any umbrella. There will always be splinter groups and the odd individual which is why I said its history
 
norters said:
These killings have nothing at all to do with religion and everything to do with murder. Do you honestly think the uda or the ira gave a crap about religion? No. They cared about killing each other.
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Precisely. Murder is a grave sin in christianity; and as far the murderers are concerned they are as good as excommunicated and 100% excluded from the religious community. There are some bad apples everywhere but that doesn't make the whole tree bad - quite the opposite in fact.
 
NeilA1975 said:
It has everything to do with an ideology derived from an interpretation of a religion. You cannot compare political terrorism with religious terrorism. One you can tackle, the other you cannot,
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Correct. The ira was political. Give us rule in Ireland (so something like that) and we are happy and bar the odd glitch it has proved to be the case. Aside from the uk no one was affected by the ira. Is want a global Islamic state where we follow their rules. Ok, at best that is a very long term goal but it's completely different. We could "give" then land to run as IS but would they be happy with just that, I doubt it.

The worry I have is not with these killings but in 5 or 10 years when they manage to use a dirty bomb or similar and kill tens of thousands and completely change a country.
 
the only thing i can add to this is i just watched a short video of people leaving the football stadium ,singing the marseille as they walked .it left me in tears . je suise paris
 
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