Shooting a football game today

AFC said:
I am not chucking my dummy out and I have listened to what the pro's on here have told me via emails, PM's and the forums and a lot of it I have taken on board, thanks again guys.

I trust and have great respect the Pros on here, BUT, when I pass on the information/advice I have been given by these guys and am told that I am giving bad advice and then advising the poster to ignore it, I think why bother.

So the reason I said I would not give advice etc is because I dont want to give the wrong advice, so in future I will let the Pro's give the correct advice.

As a footnote, I would not advise someone to shoot football using f/10 as I know this is wrong.
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well said martin.
 
hjwatso1 said:
....I agree with the start as you mean to go on. I listened to the advice of the pro's and tried it, I still do to this day.
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I agree with you 100% Helen and I use the settings which I was advised to use by the pro's on here and they have worked for me.

scottthehat said:
well said martin.
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Thanks Scott.
 
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looks like everyone got upset and to be perfectly honest you would all be a lot happier if i hadnt said anything..well you would.... and the op would be shooting his first football at f10 and trying to get a 640 shutter speed

now your slapping each other on the back and i am the bad boy...

oh hum.......
 
I wish I had known about using f10 I could have saved a fortune and bought the 300mm f4 or even the 400mm f5.6, I could have bought both and still saved a chunk of cash.
 
KIPAX said:
looks like everyone got upset and to be perfectly honest you would all be a lot happier if i hadnt said anything..well you would.... and the op would be shooting his first football at f10 and trying to get a 640 shutter speed

now your slapping each other on the back and i am the bad boy...

oh hum.......
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kipax no one said nowt about you and your more than experienced in this field as you do it day in day out your advice makes sense to start as you mean to go on(mine was wrong), as i said im a nobody but just thought i would give me experiece as to where i started(ok not the right way or pro way)
but im only trying to help, but i will think in advance next time, so i dont want to cause an arguement about it,

for the op take the pros advice they do it as there job and just keep practicing.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys,took some good sharp pictures yesterday.
 
scottthehat said:
:thinking::clap:
maybe buy a decent camera that is usable over iso800:thumbs:
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They are my next purchase, there was no way I was spending more than I needed on a camera to take on holiday as my first dslr. I now know where I am heading and what I need. The 500D is actually usable at 1600 but I prefer to keep it bellow that so I don't have to mess with noise reduction and kids football 1/400 is ok as things don't move so fast.
 
AFC said:
I personaly would use AP/AV set to f2.8, f4 depending on your lens.

Then set my ISO so that I get a SS of 640/800th sec, or whatever SS you prefer using. Then when your SS speed falls you then change your ISO to get back to your prefered SS.

Some people will probably come on here and say you should be using manual, but this is MY preference.
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So Tony is this wrong information?


KIPAX said:
looks like everyone got upset and to be perfectly honest you would all be a lot happier if i hadnt said anything..well you would.... and the op would be shooting his first football at f10 and trying to get a 640 shutter speed

now your slapping each other on the back and i am the bad boy...

oh hum.......
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Tony, I did NOT advocate using f10, but I did say about using a 640/800 SS and why? because I was advised by the "PRO's" on here that that is what I should do, use a fast enough SS, as I have also read in many books written by top professional photographers and surely they cant all be wrong.

And I have read that they advocate using certain SS for different shots like landscape, portrait, sports etc.

Now if I came on here and told him to try shooting at around 125th sec, then yes come on here told me I was wrong and I would have taken it on board, but when I pass on the advice that was given to me, suddenly its all wrong.

So who do I believe? who is giving the right advice?

Thats why I said that I wouldn't pass on any advice because I dont want to give the wrong advice.

And no Tony I dont want you NOT giving advice and you are NOT the bad boy, I respect you and what you have achieved and I wish you every sucess in the future.
 
To be honest Martin i really dont know how you got involved in this, i think there has been some misunderstanding somewhere along the line, i dont Tony wasn't critising you personally but more saying that you, me or anyone else cant really offer advice unless you know the exacty shooting conditions at the time
 
Gary Coyle said:
To be honest Martin i really dont know how you got involved in this, i think there has been some misunderstanding somewhere along the line, i dont Tony wasn't critising you personally but more saying that you, me or anyone else cant really offer advice unless you know the exacty shooting conditions at the time
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Hi Gary, I got involved because I was the one that mentioned '640' in the first place.

I was telling the OP how I usually set up, by setting my lens to F/2.8 then set my ISO to give me the SS that I wanted and mentioned 640/800, I also said that these were my prefered settings, I did not say to the OP use 640, but whatever his prefered SS was.

I know that you cant tell someone exactly what settings to use as it depends on the light. You and I both know that trying to shoot 640 under floodlights in the middle of winter is nigh on impossible, as I did point out to the OP.
 
Scott,

I can see what you are getting at with more room to play with focus but unfortunatly it won't help the OP. The extra dof will bring the background through when in Sport we are trying to lose the background as much as possible.

Unfortuntaly the only way realy for the OP is f2.8 or f4 as a maximum. Football can be shot at f10, yes, of course it can, but for what sport snappers are trying to achieve, it just wont work, infact it could hinder the OP.
 
paulroberts said:
Scott,

I can see what you are getting at with more room to play with focus but unfortunatly it won't help the OP. The extra dof will bring the background through when in Sport we are trying to lose the background as much as possible.

Unfortuntaly the only way realy for the OP is f2.8 or f4 as a maximum. Football can be shot at f10, yes, of course it can, but for what sport snappers are trying to achieve, it just wont work, infact it could hinder the OP.
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thanks paul, nicely put across and point taken onboard.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Especially under floodlights at Elland Road :lol:
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elland road is good for you than gary good lighting,
really gotta get up there and watch the boys, last match i watched was here exrter v leeds, and before that was leeds at home to exeter.
not watched them this year been slack.
 
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Leeds has some of the absolute worst lights in the professional game, ive shot several world club games and internationals there and i was using ISO 3200-4000
 
Gary Coyle said:
Leeds has some of the absolute worst lights in the professional game, ive shot several world club games and internationals there and i was using ISO 3200-4000
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:lol: i would of never thought that gary, club like leeds you would expect better:D
mind you those high isos are nothing for your d3s(iso monstor):D
never taken my camera to a football match as scared of getting it taken away, but everytime i have gone theres always peeps in the crowed with cams with 300mm on:lol:
 
scottthehat said:
:lol: i would of never thought that gary, club like leeds you would expect better:D
mind you those high isos are nothing for your d3s(iso monstor):D
never taken my camera to a football match as scared of getting it taken away, but everytime i have gone theres always peeps in the crowed with cams with 300mm on:lol:
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There is often no correlation between stadium/team quality and floodlight quality...
 
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