Shenanigans at the SWPP

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Yv said:
I guess they have anyway - if I am reading right, Ali asked Pete to ask them to remove it, he refused, but they have removed it anyway, which if nothing else just proves that they appear to not want to know, or dont want their members to know, anything about the concerns of some paying members.
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Well, quite! (Ignore the previous question Ali! :lol:)
 
Just out of interest - where was it posted on the SWPP forum - which section?:thinking:
 
Spot on Yv.

I asked Pete via PM on the SWPP forum to remove it and as you know he refused.

I did not ask SWPP to remove it but it does appear to have vanished.

Just so everyone has absolute clarity on my position with SWPP:-

It has always been my intention to resign in January at conference and I do believe I have stated that intention quite clearly. Having received my ticket for the one seminar I am attending I have this very morning sent my resignation to SWPP. :)
 
Did anyone really think that it would last on the SWPP forum anyway?
 
Simmotino said:
Sorry Ali, now I'm confused.

You said:



:thinking:
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Had a PM from Colin and he has also quoted AliB's remark as to the reason he has removed it... At least it proves Colin has read this thread....

Sorry he also quoted AliB regarding TP's Terms and Conditions regarding content....

It would have been removed anyway....

Last PM from Colin after I asked for it to be reinstated
without the link the thread is meaningless and in the TP thread it says

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It is against the T&C's of this forum to publish it's content elswhere so it's TP you should really be asking.

Without knowing TP's rules we have no reason to upset the owners of that forum.

Colin
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MarkyP said:
Yes and long may it contunue.

The problem we have is that some of the Members within the SWPP are too frightened to speak out for fear of expulsion.

Threads like this are critical to give any prospective members a good balanced view of the SWPP.

If you look at the SWPP website it all looks rosey and professional. It is not until AFTER you have paid your beer tokens to join that you see the darker side of the organisation. At that point they don't care -they have already got your money.

So yes, threads like this are vital so people can see a debate and disccussion by those for and those against the organisation and keeps the topiv fresh and active.

For far too long the SWPP have ignored their Members. They have a very simple, and I have to admit, quite effective policy in place - Ignore everyone.

They are working the numbers in a way. If someone is griping today about the SWPP, then tomorrow that person will be griping about something else. So they know after a short time, it will all go away and they won't have had to answer a single question.

Threads like this really are important. For once, it won't go away and that is refreshing!
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Hi Mark

To add to the balanced view, I would like to point out the following:

They do respond to members questions, often late at night and out of office hours. They might not answer in the way some people would like, but to give the impression that they operate an "ignore everyone" policy is misleading.


God bless
Dave
 
A friend just sent me this:

"Every now and again people get 'bees in their bonnets'. Every large company has people who try to undermine it, all you have to do is search through the web and you will see countless pages of the same type of thing for companies such as google, tesco, microsoft ect.

Some individuals may have their own aspirations and are could be using this for their own commercial gain."

Aspirations and financial gain?

From where I am sat I can't see anyone getting financial gain from this thread or maybe I have missed something.

Assuming it was aimed at me, which may be wide of the mark, I do not offer photographic training, I do not Judge comps, I do not have any business asoociations with any training organisation or individual (though like the majority on her we all know someone who does some form of training or other) nor do I aspire to achieve any of the above.

I just think it is quite amusing that this "bees in bonnet" thing puts the SWPP in the same league as Google, Tesco and Microsoft. :)

There is nothing untoward going on here Mr Jones - just goold old fashioned conversation, discussion and debate!
 
.....every little helps................:bang:
 
Dave Routledge said:
Hi Mark

To add to the balanced view, I would like to point out the following:

They do respond to members questions, often late at night and out of office hours. They might not answer in the way some people would like, but to give the impression that they operate an "ignore everyone" policy is misleading.


God bless
Dave
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I'm sure they respond to plenty of members, but it it is apparent from this thread and others, anyone asking what might be deemed difficult or uncomfortable questions do get ignored, reprimanded or deleted. Certainly that has been my experience, but I guess less provocative questions DO get replies.

Chris.
 
Well, thankyow! You see I guess the saying patience is a virtue is true. I stuck with my unfortunate moniker for some time ( knowing full well why I was given it - like a pennance), and then I was rewarded - mind you being funnier than Les Dennis? :thinking: :gag: Only joking - DON'T CHANGE IT MATT!!

I like it. Thank you .:)
 
MarkyP said:
Some individuals may have their own aspirations and are could be using this for their own commercial gain."

Aspirations and financial gain?

From where I am sat I can't see anyone getting financial gain from this thread or maybe I have missed something.
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I have had that accusation mad at me by the Taffia (read Jones family of Rhyll) and it is without ground. My society is a not for profit PLC. I have received no payment from it - if they have read this thread then they will have seen my name so such comments are nothing new to me.

Mike
 
By the way , great deal on brussell sprouts right now ( in a Barbara Windsor accent ).
 
I think it is somewhat sad that the ( perhaps idealistic and rose tinted ) view that a society could in fact exist purely as a non profit making set up , and existing purely for the benefit of it's memebers , where information and ideas can be exchanged - is somewhat perculiar is unfortunate.

However the SWPP is run as a business, so that is a different thing. The point here is that to consider Mike's society in way that reflects the SWPP would be wholly wrong.

Never judge something before understanding it.
 
I can't help noticing this forum has picked up a few new members with this thread, about five I think. maybe a thread about the BIPP next for a few more...? ;)
 
You will need to give 'em danger money
 
swanseamale47 said:
I can't help noticing this forum has picked up a few new members with this thread, about five I think. maybe a thread about the BIPP next for a few more...? ;)
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Yeah, I have obviously been following this thread and probably one of the five. ;)

I did come on here as I was trying to find a link to a website I stumbled upon a few months ago, and noticed this thread....honest guv a complete coincidence!:lol:
 
NigelPaul said:
Yeah, I have obviously been following this thread and probably one of the five. ;)

I did come on here as I was trying to find a link to a website I stumbled upon a few months ago, and noticed this thread....honest guv a complete coincidence!:lol:
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No excuse needed to be here :lol:

I'm just gob smacked at the sheer volume of information available, gonna take at least 10 years to wade through :)
 
Worth noting here that as usual with threads, once they lose momentum , they end up slipping down the list, then off the first index page and lost. This I am sure is the usual routine, and underlines why nothing ever really happens with these things.

By the way- I am not 'bumping' the thread, I just thought it was worth mentioning, before it does indeed slip off the front page.
 
'Tis only natural Mark and it's probably just about been done to death now. :)
 
Which, will of course be sweet music to the SWPP ears! Proof- leave it alone and it will go away.

:)
 
All anyone has to do is put SWPP in the search button :) it will remain for posterity, threads don't get deleted to easily round here ;)
 
One other MAJOR annoyance while I remember it is that amount of phone calls I get each and every day JUST because of my listing on SWPP.

"We can put you on the front page of google"
"Can you handle any more business?"

I've just had the third one today! and it's only 2pm.

I'm fed up with being used in this way and I'd love to know just how many times over the SWPP has sold the membership listing. If only I had a pound for every damn phone call I've had then it would certainly have paid for itself.

The latest one went rambling on and on and on about google even after I told him three times that I was not interested. :bang:

I think the worst bit was when he told me a fellow SWPP member (and named them) had been ripped off three times already and that's why I should trust them! :cuckoo:
 
AliB said:
I'm fed up with being used in this way and I'd love to know just how many times over the SWPP has sold the membership listing. If only I had a pound for every damn phone call I've had then it would certainly have paid for itself.
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You'd best not post such a challenging question on the SWPP forum, or else the heavy mob will lynch you like they did me!

I noticed today that I don't have access rights to view my own profile over there anymore!:lol:



Simon
 
This is my favourite thread of the month, even though I know nowt about wedding photography!! :D

I'm probably getting a slightly skewed view, but the whole style of the company/organisation in question reeks of those internet 'degree certificates' you can buy to enhance your qualifications, in order to gain employment. I may be completely wrong, but thats how the 10 pages come across to an outsider! :)
 
candlestick said:
I may be completely wrong, but thats how the 10 pages come across to an outsider! :)
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You hit the nail right on the head there!

Almost exactly a year ago, I submitted a panel of photos to the SWPP's wildlife branch (SINWP) as part of their free mentoring scheme. The images were assessed and I was awarded my Licentiateship and asked to pay for the examination.

At the time I was delighted to have been accredited, but shortly afterwards I ended up feeling like I had been conned. You see the problem is this: the assessment was carried out by a portrait and wedding specialist. Whilst undeniably a very talented photographer, I was left wondering just how much wildlife experience he had.

Prior to my departure from their forum, several of us were asking the management for the names of those people that would be carrying out the assessments in each of the categories, and what experience they have in that field. No answer was forthcoming.

Of course, now that I've told them that I will not be renewing my membership, they've asked me to return my certificate of qualification. This strikes me as very strange indeed - it makes for an odd qualification. Should I similarly expect a request from my old school to return my 'O' level certificates from all those years ago, just because I no longer go?

I could understand it if the qualification was subject to regular review, but it isn't: as long as you pay your fee, you remain 'qualified'. Mind you, it doesn't say on the certificate "remains the property of the SWPP" and since they didn't bother to include a stamped address envelope, they can go whistle!

I was also told that I could no longer use the letters after my name either.


Simon
X-LSINWP
 
you paid for the qualification Simon, use it unless they want to refund you. Its 30 years since I paid my driving instructor a bean but I still use my driving license. Of course the SWPP might take action against you. Decide then if you want to stop using them.

Stew
 
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