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I went home for lunch with the Wife today, and had the 'welcome' of a surprise visit from the Mother-in-law. Tina asked her what she would like in a sandwich and gave her a few options. Cheese 'n' pickle, egg mayo, tuna mayo etc.

She chose tuna.

This is something that has got on my man boobs for quite some time now. She isnt the first 'vegetarian' ive encountered that does this, and im sure she wont be the last. Why is it, that they wont eat a cow, or a chicken, or a pig, but are happy to eat a fish. Surely a fish is a living being too?? Why is eating fish not considered the same as eating other meat?

To me, it is very much the same.
 
I went home for lunch with the Wife today, and had the 'welcome' of a surprise visit from the Mother-in-law. Tina asked her what she would like in a sandwich and gave her a few options. Cheese 'n' pickle, egg mayo, tuna mayo etc.

She chose tuna.

This is something that has got on my man boobs for quite some time now. She isnt the first 'vegetarian' ive encountered that does this, and im sure she wont be the last. Why is it, that they wont eat a cow, or a chicken, or a pig, but are happy to eat a fish. Surely a fish is a living being too?? Why is eating fish not considered the same as eating other meat?

To me, it is very much the same.

Exactly, is there a rule that if it lives in water it can be eaten? So can they then eat a duck? It lives on the water doesnt it? Weird.
 
That's pescatarianism. As for why, each to their own - health is often a reason.

Ive never heard that word before, so thanks for that.

Im also pretty sure she hasnever heard it either. She adamantly refers to herself as vegetarian.
 
I have a friend who's a selective vegetarian... he chose that out of disgust after having worked in a slaughterhouse.
My wife is a vegan... Mostly because she feels if she couldn't kill it she shouldn't eat it. She'll occasionally deviate and have cheese.
I'm a 3rd degree vegan. I only eat plants, or things that eat plants, or things that eat things that eat plants...
 
In my opinion a vegetarian is someone who does not eat anything that belongs to the animal kingdom. However, there are plenty of people who think differently. On holiday earlier this year one of our friends commented that both her and I were having a vegetarian starter. I had spiced chick pea cakes and she had smoked salmon!!

Dave
 
I'm a 3rd degree vegan. I only eat plants, or things that eat plants, or things that eat things that eat plants...
:D

I honestly though that Vegetarians didn't eat anything that had a face.
So lay off the sunflower seeds :D

Vegan's as I understand it, and was explained to me by a vegan, they have nothing whatsoever, to "do" with animal products.
Which must in all seriousness make their lives difficult to say the least.
 
Saying you're a vegetarian is like saying you're a catholic... what exactly that means is up to you and your particular beliefs/feelings. Trying to figure it out/categorize it unilaterally is entirely pointless.

Generally, what we meat eaters think of as "vegetarian" is actually "vegan"... and then there are the "elite vegans" who won't have anything to do with anything associated with having been taken from an animal (i.e. honey, eggs, milk, leather, down, etc).
 
Saying you're a vegetarian is like saying you're a catholic... what exactly that means is up to you and your particular beliefs/feelings. Trying to figure it out/categorize it unilaterally is entirely pointless.
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I would tend to disagree with that.
by making the statement "I am a vegetarian"
by definition means eating vegetable matter.

If they want to add I rarely eat "animals" then fine
but NEVER eating animals is a contradiction, if they eat fish / shell fish
and even invertebrates / insects.
 
Saying you're a vegetarian is like saying you're a catholic... what exactly that means is up to you and your particular beliefs/feelings. Trying to figure it out/categorize it unilaterally is entirely pointless.

Generally, what we meat eaters think of as "vegetarian" is actually "vegan"... and then there are the "elite vegans" who won't have anything to do with anything associated with having been taken from an animal (i.e. honey, eggs, milk, leather, down, etc).

That's what I've always considered vegan.
I think your first line is spot on. (y)
 
Exactly, is there a rule that if it lives in water it can be eaten? So can they then eat a duck? It lives on the water doesnt it? Weird.

I'm pretty sure the catholic church ruled that beavers were fish so they could eat them on Fridays. Exact same thing ;)

Generally, what we meat eaters think of as "vegetarian" is actually "vegan"... and then there are the "elite vegans" who won't have anything to do with anything associated with having been taken from an animal (i.e. honey, eggs, milk, leather, down, etc).


Technically not. Vegan society UK (who made up veganism) prohibit use/eating of any animal product including eggs, milk, leather, down, shellac and a few others. Many years ago they made a special resolution to also prohibit honey (it's complicated - let's pretend it's like milk). So anybody who wants to be a card carrying vegan would be what you term an elite vegan. There are also dietary vegans who wouldn't eat honey but could, presumably, spread it all over their face.

And then, there's the infamous level 5 vegan.

 
I would tend to disagree with that.
by making the statement "I am a vegetarian"
by definition means eating vegetable matter.


IIRC the word "vegetarian" is only a cousin of the word "vegetable" - they both derive from vegetus meaning something like "healthy" rather than one deriving from the other. Wikipedia disagrees - or it does until I get time to edit it :D
 
IIRC the word "vegetarian" is only a cousin of the word "vegetable" - they both derive from vegetus meaning something like "healthy" rather than one deriving from the other.
Ok, so if I go with your definition / comments, (which makes sense btw)
Vegetarians can actually eat anything they want?
as long as they see it as healthy?
Sort of a contradiction in terms as we have to generally accept the meaning.
But it also gives a little latitude to eating bacon sarnies, which apparently is a large stumbling block :D


Wikipedia disagrees - or it does until I get time to edit it :D
A man after my own heart. :D
 
Ok, so if I go with your definition / comments, (which makes sense btw)
Vegetarians can actually eat anything they want?
as long as they see it as healthy?
Sort of a contradiction in terms as we have to generally accept the meaning.


Yes and no. Vegetarian isn't a registered trademark and there's no law backing up the definition so I guess you can eat what you want and call yourself a veggie. Kind of like you can call yourself a Manchester United fan if you just wear the clothes.

Vegan has an element of protection to it (there's a vegan trademark) so it gets a bit murkier.

But sure - call yourself what you want :)

BTW Frutarians (the real ones not the crazy running frutarians) are usually thought of as a subset of vegans but I reckon they can eat meat as long as it has died completely naturally.
 
But sure - call yourself what you want :)
Omnivorous by birth and evolution :thumbs:

BTW Frutarians (the real ones not the crazy running frutarians) are usually thought of as a subset of vegans but I reckon they can eat meat as long as it has died completely naturally.
Never heard of that particular group TBH
But If they are eating carrion, I would dispute ( not the crazy running frutarians) ;)
By Carrion I mean animals that they find dead,
or do the sit around waiting for it to die? ;)
 
Mrs Nod is a vegetarian but happily eats cheese, drinks milk, eats eggs (in other foods - finds an egg as an egg too rich these days), wears leather and wool and swats biting insects. However, she tries very hard not to eat anything containing or produced using rennet or gelatine which reduces the choice of cheeses and a surprising number of things which we can't see need gelatine in them.

A few years ago we were invited to a very convivial party with a Cretan builder who went fishing at the weekends and often throws these parties at a restaurant with his catch as the main course. He was very interested in Mrs Nod's dietary habit and when she explained that it was pretty much that she didn't eat anything with eyes, he promoptly pulled the head off a fish and offered it to her (in jest) and plucked a chip off her plate because it had an "eye"!

There were 2 incidents that got her off the meat - the first was a dinner where the main course was a 1/2 chicken and it just looked too much like 1/2 a chicken (as it would!) then the next weekend, the roast pork was quite hairy and that was the final straw. Oddly, she's far better at handling raw meat than I am and is also an excellent cook with meat even though she doesn't taste the dishes. She spend quite a few years cooking (including meat dishes) for a large part of her living but gave that up about 10 years ago since the other duties involved serving behind a bar and she didn't want to be a 40 year old barmaid.
 
Omnivorous by birth and evolution (y)


Never heard of that particular group TBH
But If they are eating carrion, I would dispute ( not the crazy running frutarians) ;)
By Carrion I mean animals that they find dead,
or do the sit around waiting for it to die? ;)

"Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a plant: that is, foods that can be harvested without killing or harming the plant." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

Even vegans think they are weird.

On the other hand....

http://www.thefruitarian.com/

Most runners think they are weird.
 
I'm a vegetarian from upbringing. But I've always suspected that should I find myself on a desert island with only a cow, I'd eventually kill it and eat it*. In the end, the drive to survive determines how many of us are "true" vegetarians.

*or I guess I could just use its milk to make cheese/butter/cream/yoghurt etc and live off that.
 
A vegetarian/vegan is someone who does not eat the animals they kill. Think Rabbits and Pigeons for a start

I once had a conversation with the lady on the checkout in a Vegetarian shop who told me that though she was a vegetarian she did eat fish as she "could not see what other purpose they had". I made my excuses and left.
 
I'm a vegetarian from upbringing. But I've always suspected that should I find myself on a desert island with only a cow, I'd eventually kill it and eat it.....or I guess I could just use its milk to make cheese/butter/cream/yoghurt etc and live off that.


So a carnivore would die out pretty soon and the vegetarian would live indefinitely (IIRC cows live about as long as humans if you leave them alone). Interesting.
 
Currently I have no taste for red meat. No morals involved, just a lack of pleasure when eating. Chicken is heading the same way.
It's happened before, but reverses in time and I'm fine with that.
Fish on the other hand, I could eat every day.
 
Errr no :(
They live breath and crap in the same water :D

Having worked for one of the country's largest meat distributors.........
PMSL....I'll take my chances.
 
©W C Fields.
 
I went home for lunch with the Wife today, and had the 'welcome' of a surprise visit from the Mother-in-law. Tina asked her what she would like in a sandwich and gave her a few options. Cheese 'n' pickle, egg mayo, tuna mayo etc.

She chose tuna.

This is something that has got on my man boobs for quite some time now. She isnt the first 'vegetarian' ive encountered that does this, and im sure she wont be the last. Why is it, that they wont eat a cow, or a chicken, or a pig, but are happy to eat a fish. Surely a fish is a living being too?? Why is eating fish not considered the same as eating other meat?

To me, it is very much the same.

Seems like a very weird thing to get wound up about. Global warming - yes. Crisis in Gaza - yes. Noisy neighbours - yep. Noticing the beginnings of a bald patch - definitely. Someone wanting a tuna sandwich while saying they are vegetarian - nah...
 
Seems like a very weird thing to get wound up about. Global warming - yes. Crisis in Gaza - yes. Noisy neighbours - yep. Noticing the beginnings of a bald patch - definitely. Someone wanting a tuna sandwich while saying they are vegetarian - nah...

Love the comparison between trouble in the Middle East and noisy neighbours :Lol:
 
And f*** in it......

...that's why water's bad for you. :D
Absolutely and the more you drink, the more of their habitat you are destroying.
Won't no one think of the children? Fish? :D
 
Absolutely and the more you drink, the more of their habitat you are destroying.
Won't anyone think of the children? Fish? :D

The pedant in me corrected that for you :-)
 
The pedant in me corrected that for you :)
My bad ( :D ) my quote should actually contained [sic]
As its a quote from the Simpsons :p
 
I went home for lunch with the Wife today, and had the 'welcome' of a surprise visit from the Mother-in-law. Tina asked her what she would like in a sandwich and gave her a few options. Cheese 'n' pickle, egg mayo, tuna mayo etc.

She chose tuna.

This is something that has got on my man boobs for quite some time now. She isnt the first 'vegetarian' ive encountered that does this, and im sure she wont be the last. Why is it, that they wont eat a cow, or a chicken, or a pig, but are happy to eat a fish. Surely a fish is a living being too?? Why is eating fish not considered the same as eating other meat?

To me, it is very much the same.

Well I was a 'selective' vegetarian as you call it, for around 25 years. When I read the title I assumed you meant people who switch on and off being vegetarian. Anyway.

So to the start of the story.

When I was young, my favourite meat was rabbit. Yum. Then we got some pet rabbits. This, from my carnivorous parents, would prove to be a mistake. At some point afterwards I converted. In those days, as far as I remember, there was not vegetarian \ pescatarian. You were vegetarian or nothing.

Anyway, I did also do a bit of fishing, and had killed fish. So I decided I would only eat what I felt I could kill myself. That was fish, but no mammals or birds.

Camping trips with the scouts were always great. With a few hundred people sat down they would call out the veggies to come to the front (just to ensure proper identification for eveyone) as I and generally one other poor b****r would step up, ensuring much hilarious banter directed our way.

So the years passed, things changed, I could actually start to see some edible food in restaurants as opposed to the have a salad leaf option, the 5000+ times total was passed for the question everyone vegetarian cannot wait to be asked: why are you vegetarian (crazy fool - obviously said silently whist the questionnaire starts salivating at the thought of some bacon).

I must confessing to having a bit of chicken in my early 20s, albeit accidentally. In a state of deep inebriation in the early hours of a weekend, post some super move shaking (I thought at the time) I ordered a fillet burger (assuming a fish fillet burger). Taking a bite I realised something was amiss, no matter how much you overcook fish it does not get that hard. I binned the remnants of the burger and had a salad burger. Aghhh back to the early 90s again menus.

Then in my mid twenties I decide to travel in the world for a year. In New Zealand, I worked on an Ostrich farm for 3 weeks. After one week I was left in charge of the entire place as the owners went to the south island for an Ostrich conference (I am not joking). Coming from London I thought they were crazy and asked them were they not worried I would steal all there stuff, but they were not worried and spies were around! Anyway, I digress, further.

They had around 60 young Ostriches and one injured it's leg, so could not walk further. The others basically started beating it up, and with their feet that's not great. So I called the farmers and was given two options = sock on the head and baseball bat or chop head off. I opted for option 2 as I'm not good at rounders, and after a last meal head was duly dispatched. A significant moment - my ability to kill animals had arrived (albeit for humane reasons, though I had always suspected I could in these circumstances).

A few more accidental meat eatings occurred thanks to my wife passing my potato fillings that contained bacon etc, and further looks of madness from my new fond spanish family wondering how any human could not eat meat. At my wedding they and the my french family possibly plotted some form of meat intervention.

Following the wedding, our first child arrived a few years later. Much joy, and excessive tiredness. My wife having to cook different food for me and my son I could see was not ideal, and I wanted my son to make his own decisions. I had long since decided I was ready to eat meat, but after 25 years or so, it's hard to make the mental switch. Anyway, decision was made, and chicken ordered from the local (very good) indian restaurant. It was great.

I still had the odd humiliation like now knowing if I wanted burgers etc medium or rare ,the first time I stopped myself from saying cooked....what was this crazy person asking me.

Anyway, I believe I have rambled enough!
 
Seems like a very weird thing to get wound up about. Global warming - yes. Crisis in Gaza - yes. Noisy neighbours - yep. Noticing the beginnings of a bald patch - definitely. Someone wanting a tuna sandwich while saying they are vegetarian - nah...

I didnt say those other things dont wind me up. I am allowed to have littlw annoyances like this as well you know :p
 
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