Sekonic L758DR Light Meter Question

To the nearest 1/3rd stop, ie f/9 in that case.

That's as close as you can get - 1/10th of a stop is a very small change.
 
To the nearest 1/3rd stop, ie f/9 in that case.

That's as close as you can get - 1/10th of a stop is a very small change.

Thats what I was thinking until I watched this.

On this video, he has an aperture reading of f8 and 7/10th but yet he says that is equal to f10

I cannot figure out how he arrived at f/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqUi1EZYxuk
 
f8 and 10 tenths (I know the meter only goes to 9 tenths, then changes up a stop to f11) is a full stop extra, which would be f11.

f8 and 7 tenths is f8 plus 2/3 of a stop, which would be f10.

hth.
 
f8 and 10 tenths (I know the meter only goes to 9 tenths, then changes up a stop to f11) is a full stop extra, which would be f11.

f8 and 7 tenths is f8 plus 2/3 of a stop, which would be f10.

hth.

I know its early :-) how did you arrive at 2/3 from 7/10th please
 
70% of 10 is 7.

70% of 3 is 2.1, and 2 is the nearest you will get.

Next whole stop down from f8 is f11. (The hole is getting smaller, before I'm flamed)

Moving in 1/3 stop increments, which is what cameras can do, the steps are f8 (whole stop), f9 (f8 and 1/3, or about f8 and 3 tenths), f10 (f8 and 2/3, or about f8 and 7 tenths), then f11, which is the next full f stop.
 
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You are probably taking the accuracy of lightmeters as an absolute, even the expensive ones.

They aren't, there are simply too many variables. A meter will give you an accurate ball park figure, but that has to be adapted to your specific camera, specific lens, the lighting, and most of all your personal preference etc. Just set the camera shutter or the lens aperture to the nearest 10th, and chimp.

In the days of film, we could rely on the latitude to give us a printable negative, now we can rely on the histogram and adjust to personal taste.

PS - love the coastal gallery. Big Stopper?
 
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Just set the camera shutter or the lens aperture to the nearest 10th, and chimp.

That was the issue, Kris, Ian was trying to get his head around the relationship between the meter reading showing full stops plus tenths of a stop as increments, and the camera settings being in full stops and third of a stop increments.

Chimping is ok for fine-tuning, but it does help to get a fairly accurate base setting to start with. Personally I find that the accuracy of a good meter is a lot better than "ball-park".

I understand what you are saying in that film had sufficient latitude to cope with exposures that were not very accurate based on a meter reading, but in the same vein there is probably just as much, if not more, recovery available from digital files using a half-decent Raw converter.

Meter readings are in fact very accurate, if you know what/where the meter is reading from, and are able to interpret the information correctly and then transfer it to the camera.
 
Meters can be very accurate.

I have three gossens, and they are all within one or two tenths of a stop of each other when zeroed and metered incident. I mainly use them for flash readings, however. Meters are wonderful for comparing ratios between lights.

Cameras and lenses, however, appear very variable. Whether the aperture varies for each different lens, the accuracy of the shutters blades, the sensitivity of the sensor via the iso settings, all appear to be different (to me) even between manufacturers models, more so between manufacturers.

That's why we need to calibrate every meter to a camera using a gray card. I have a 5dII which needs +.7!
 
Thanks for the explanation on the maths.

Without sounding dumb, I still to get my head round this (yes maths was not my strongest subject all them years ago at school)

Normally if the meter read f8 and 2/10th I would have dialled in f8 to my camera but looking at your explanation and the video, f8 is a quite a way off from f10

I guess chimping is ok but would much rather be able to do it in my head and get it right first time
 
I think you have got confused somewhere, Ian, you state On this video, he has an aperture reading of f8 and 7/10th but yet he says that is equal to f10 which is why I was explaining that 7/10ths is the same as 2/3 of a stop, therefore f10.
 
Normally if the meter read f8 and 2/10th I would have dialled in f8 to my camera but looking at your explanation and the video, f8 is a quite a way off from f10

F8 and 2/10ths would be F9, not F10.
 
As I said here
Moving in 1/3 stop increments, which is what cameras can do, the steps are f8 (whole stop), f9 (f8 and 1/3, or about f8 and 3 tenths), f10 (f8 and 2/3, or about f8 and 7 tenths), then f11, which is the next full f stop.

But Ian has quoted "Thats what I was thinking until I watched this.

On this video, he has an aperture reading of f8 and 7/10th but yet he says that is equal to f10

I cannot figure out how he arrived at f/10"
 
:lol:It's easy to over-complicate and over-analyse this.

It's just a meter. It measures light energy and provides us with what will be a very accurate figure, which we then interpret and make use of.

The meter doesn't know how accurate the camera shutter is (actually modern shutters are pretty good, the older ones were often terrible)

It doesn't know how accurately the lens aperture will be set by the camera. There can be a fair bit of variation.

It doesn't know how much light the lens will actually transmit. Transmission can be affected by the lens coating and by the number of surfaces, i.e. a simple lens, all things being equal, will transmit more light - and sometimes a lot more - than a complex zoom lens.

And it doesn't know whether the manufacturer of a particular camera has exaggerated the ISO figure, and if so by how much. No names no pack drill, but that's one of the reasons I use Nikon cameras:)

So, as Kris said, we have to calibrate the meter to set our camera. Or, to be pedantic, we have to calibrate it to suit our camera/lens combination. Most of us don't of course, we just know that a certain camera/lens combination need say a half stop more than another, and adjust the settings without concious thought.

With negative film, and especially negative mono film, there was any lattitude not to have to worry about it, within reason. In fact, those of us old enough used to guestimate our exposures because cameras didn't have built in meters (and those that did were pretty hopeless) and we couldn't afford hand held meters - and anyway they were only accurate in bright light.
Positive film though was very different. The lattitude on colour trannys was virtually non existent and to play safe, when in doubt we would always under expose a bit, because at least the info isn't destroyed by a mild degree of underexposure and the opposite happened if we overexposed.

That applies to digital too. Underexpose a bit and all the info will be retained. Overexpose and you lose detail in the highlights, the only real difference is that we can correct even fairly serious underexposure in digital. When digital was fairly new, a lot of people worried about underexposure because of the digital noise it used to create in the shadows, but modern cameras and modern software are so good that we don't need to worry too much.

So, after compensating for any idiosyncrasies of your particular camera/lens combination, interpret the correct exposure from the hand held meter reading and then interpret that data for the effect you want to achieve.

Then set it on your camera. If your meter says f/8 d5 and your camera doesn't allow you to set halfway between f/8 and f/11, set it to 2/3rds of the way instead (f/10) erring on the side of underexposure. That's plenty near enough.

I'm sure that a lot of photography beginners would be happy if lens apertures were logarithmic (1, 2, 4, 8 etc) but they're not. If you don't understand the maths behind f/numbers, just set your camera on aperture priority and fiddle with the setting dial, button or whatever and see what you get...
For example,
f/5.6 to f/8 is a whole stop. But on most cameras, it goes from f/5.6 to f/6.3 (1/3 smaller than f.5.6) then f/7.1 (2/3rds smaller than f/5.6) before going to f/8. Learn the 1/3rd increments for all aperture settings and then you'll be able to answer these questions instead of asking them
 
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