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Anyone setting up a camera & tripod in a public place, i.e. Railway Stations, Shopping Mall`s ect, are bound to get challanged by security, they either get "pulled" or told to clear off, this is stupid, by their action of setting up their gear, they are standing up to be counted, and would be willing to show their I D, If someone wanted to capture an image to cause harm, or any other unlawful action, they would be more likely to use a mobile camera phone or the like, these are the ones the men with the "big stick" should be challanging. What do you think?.
 
The problem with Railway Stations, Shopping Malls etc are often private property. Shopping malls owned by management companies etc. So as such they are not deemed to be "public places" in terms of law. As such the owners can stipulate whether photography is allowed on their premises or not.

So you had better be prepared to be challenged especially if they have a no photography rule.

Now, photography in the street, that is a different matter.

Ali
 
I have just arranged with the station staff and manager a visit to take pics at victoria the only stipulations I have had placed on me is no tri-pod for safety reasons... if one is need a member of staff has to be present at all times... (dont ask me why..)

And no flash for logical reasons.. I have to sign in the station and have safety induction so I am aware of the assembly points and evacuation procedures.

No real hassle there at all they where very helpful.

Nigel
 
AliB said:
The problem with Railway Stations, Shopping Malls etc are often private property. Shopping malls owned by management companies etc. So as such they are not deemed to be "public places" in terms of law. As such the owners can stipulate whether photography is allowed on their premises or not.
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This "private property" has replaced what was the communal meeting place of your community, and now tries to run it according to their rules. They try to set the rules of how the community will run, the community should tell them where to stick their shops.

They should fit to the community they want to serve - not vice-versa.
 
Moadib said:
They should fit to the community they want to serve - not vice-versa.
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A common misconception, they are not there to serve the public, they exist to serve their shareholders by taking the publics money in return for as little as possible. That's business.


The no tripod rule is simple Shutterman, it's not really for safety reasons it's for legal reasons, they just don't want to be sued by someone who has tripped over your tripod which makes sense.
 
Moadib said:
This "private property" has replaced what was the communal meeting place of your community, and now tries to run it according to their rules. They try to set the rules of how the community will run, the community should tell them where to stick their shops.

They should fit to the community they want to serve - not vice-versa.
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Not so in Scotland mate. Even though property is privately owned ie shopping malls etc, they are classed as public places if the public have right of access "at the material time, whether by payment or otherwise." Dunno about the law in England though but it is different.
 
If it ain`t your property,surely it is not unreasonable to ask permission from an appropiate member of staff.I`d be quite wee`d off if TW25 set up tripod on my front lawn and I`m sure he`d be equally questioning to anyone doing so on his property! Smile,ask and say please opens lots of doors me thinks.
 
Well pointed out Brash, yes the law in England is different to Scotland. (Well they always said Scot's law was based on common sense!)
 
Well these days, you don't even need to be taking pictures.

A few months ago, I shopped in a branch of Sainsbury's, got shopping, sat in the communal corridor, on a bench which was just before the exit (still inside the store) and was there for about an hour and a half, eating a couple of things which I purchased there, when I was told to "move on", even though I hadn't done anything.

Told the security guard that I won't be shopping there again and true to my word I haven't and have no intention of doing so either...
 
The tripod rule is purely health and safety rather than people choosing what you can do on their property. It has been in place for donkies years. Having worked for a video production company for many years I have seen many people being moved on for using a tripod in a public place. They are a big trip hazzard and with the world of claiming compensation for everything people have to watch their back I guess.

The only places I seem to find that dont mind tripods are churches. No idea why! but they always seem more than happy. Its strange.

Markta - why on earth would you want to sit in sainsburys for an hour and a half? that again might have been health and safety, no doubt there are rules about food not being consumed outside the cafe area. I think they do have a sign on the doors saying no food or drink etc, plus I guess they dont want people loiterring in their shop all day.
 
Well I might want to read a mag, plan what else I'm doing that day (which I commonly do), whilst eating my lunch etc. I now shop at Asda and they are absolutely fine with it, as I'm not causing anyone any harm, just keeping myself to myself. I'm not being rowdy or abusive to customers.

If people aren't meant to be there, then why supply benches/seats in the first place?

Just my thoughts on the situation..
 
Fair enough, I try and spend as little time as possible in shops, I just hate the busyness and hussle and bussle, cant go shopping without a list either. Have to know where I am heading, so it can be in and out as fast as possible :p
 
I felt I had to check with Asda before I started shopping there! :lol:

If it means buying camera gear, I'm usually very quick and so is the rate at which the bank notes diappears out of my wallet hehe, but anything else and I tend to plan it sitting down somewhere.

As for busyness, I really try and shop as off-peak as poss, for the same reasons :)

Love the avatar BTW
 
Just spotted in the local rag that photography has just been banned in Canterbury city centre (shopping centre) as anyone taking photographs could be doing so for nefarious purposes!!! As others have said becuase it is privately owned land they are perfectly entitled to do this but it is all getting a bit OTT really!
 
he mentioned photograph in churches.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
sorry to go a little off topic , but.
as wedding tog types , me n her always check with vicars to see how they stand on photography at weddings.
now considering that bridey and groomy are PAYING for the use of said establishment, its suprising that some (thankfully not many) revs put a ban on shooters , full stop.
weve even got one vic who has asked us to sign a piece of paper to say we wont take any photos inside the church.what an a**e..when we found this out we came close to turning down the job.he does condicendingly allow us to photograph the signing of the register.
we always go out of our way to reasure the revs that we wont use flash /disturb the service, ask about signing the register shots etc.
oh , and none of the nice revs have had any probs at all with tripods.:thinking:
 
Shutterman said:
I have to sign in the station and have safety induction so I am aware of the assembly points and evacuation procedures.
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Why does a tog need a 'safety induction' while millions of station visitors/train passengers do not?
 
Alfred D. said:
Why does a tog need a 'safety induction' while millions of station visitors/train passengers do not?
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I would assume that the photographer is 'working' on their premises (as he most likely would be signed in as a contractor)and comes under their contractor health and safety rules as well as insurance requirements.

Anthony.
 
BRASH said:
Not so in Scotland mate. Even though property is privately owned ie shopping malls etc, they are classed as public places if the public have right of access "at the material time, whether by payment or otherwise." Dunno about the law in England though but it is different.
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Used to be that you could snap away anywhere where the public had an assumed right of access. EG stations, office buildings, wherever. (Until somebody asked you to stop). Probably not so anymore. :thinking:

What's the deal with tripods in the street then? Obviously you can't go taking up the whole high-street all day, but do you get moved along on health and safety grounds say if you set up in the town square, or some little alleyway?
 
i am a terrorist. a very stupid one. i walk into a shopping centre to check it out and see where i can place my explosives. i decide to take a few photographs discretely for later reference. i use a BLOODY GREAT SLR WITH A 12 INCH LONG LENS ON IT. do you think anyone noticed?:cuckoo:
i,d do more damage standing in the thoroughfare eating a twelve in sub from subway.:thinking:
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Alfred D. said:
Why does a tog need a 'safety induction' while millions of station visitors/train passengers do not?
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You are on the premises for a long duration and since you have signed in you are expected to know the evacuation procedures and which areas you are allowed to access.

Not a unfair request.

And yes it is to do with HSAWA and Insurance...

Nigel
 
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