Second and third shooters required possibly

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Right, story is I got asked to cover a riding club event at Burgie today.

Whilst I was there I got introduced to the organisers of the Burgie International Horse Trials, linky here

Turns out that they've been let down by their photographers and are trying to get someone else in a hurry. I haven't committed to this yet as the event's simply too big to cover on my own, it needs at least one other tog, preferably two. Essential if you're interested that you can manage the Friday and the Sunday. I haven't committed yet as although I'd love to do it I'm not going to do it if I can't at least make a proper go of it.

So, the question simply is, anyone interested in this? If so PM me as soon as possible and I'll go through the details of how it will most likely work. I know it's going to be too far for most of you :(

Remuneration is an unknown. Although they're not asking for a payment for rights any income is purely down to print sales. I'm led to believe the entry is fairly large but with all these events sales can be a bit hit or a miss, very much depends on the quality of the shots. If I'm right I'd suspect sales haven't been brilliant in the past hence the reason they've been let down this time round. Previous coverage has been by firms from down south who've had to bear all the assosciated costs of travel accomodation etc.
 
That sounds like summit to get your teeth into matey :D
 
i havnae the time nor skill :D:D
 
Damn i'm busy on the 15th with another horseshow.

I'd probably be interested if I was free. It's a bit of a trek though, almost 400 miles for me from Manchester.
 
Do you need the full Friday and the Sunday only or the whole weekend?
 
admirable said:
Do you need the full Friday and the Sunday only or the whole weekend?
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Sorry, should have made that clearer.

Ideally the Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. The biggest problem I have is the Sunday, I'm already booked in for something else. The Friday has showjumping and dressage going in two seperate arenas, I can't do both obviously. The Saturday (and Sunday I think) have cross country. That said, they know that and I think are just so keen to get anyone to cover it they'll live without the Sunday if necessary. I realise it's a big committment. The way I'm looking at it is that it's experience of working a major event with very little downside, they know I don't do this full time.

Sean, it's only time that's the problem mate :)
 
Is this a one off event for you Dod? ,or are you hoping to do something on a more regular basis at Burgie.Thanks for your encouragement too by the way :thumbs:
 
I'd be interested in shooting the showjumping or/and dressage. I've had some experience of that but would only be available for Sat & Sunday. My boy has also done some horse stuff and would be able to tag along.
 
i would love to do this but i am sailing in a race that weekend :(
 
I'd be up for this, if it weren't so far. I couldn't afford to travel that far unless paid, and I expect someone closer will be able to. Shame that!
 
Dod, with a bit more notice I would have done this but I'm stacked out with work at the moment and can't get any time off.

Sorry mate, I would have loved it.
 
A friend just drove upto Glasgow to move into her new house, from the South Coast. It only took her 11 hours to drive up there but otherwise I'd have been interested. I'm looking to get into horse racing photography as I live next door to Goodwood race course so can get some practice there. :)
 
I would love that actually but
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From Leicester to Burgie: 482 mi – about 8 hours 48 mins
hmmm...:thinking:
 
I'm working everyday bar Sunday and tbh I don't think my skills are up to the task.
 
Rockshifter said:
I'd be interested in shooting the showjumping or/and dressage. I've had some experience of that but would only be available for Sat & Sunday. My boy has also done some horse stuff and would be able to tag along.
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Thanks, just trying to drag everything together just now, I'll get back to everyone as soon as I can.

Hacker, I wish I'd had a bit more notice too :p I still don't know that I can get everything in place to do this properly but I'd hate not to give it a go.

Steep, I remember your Highland Games shots, they were pretty good if I remember correctly.

mxfun, right now I'm not sure. Like all these things if you do a good job first time round you get invited back. I've never really considered doing more organised event photography, it's competitive and I suspect it's more productive if you can print on site. That means more hardware costs, staff to do the printing, etc etc. It's also a direct conflict with the mx which would mean something has to go. Having said that I do get more sales from the gee gees than the bikes and there will be national press and mag coverage from this which could open doors :shrug:

I've thought a bit more about remuneration as well. If we do it they'll promote my site. It makes sense to have all images in one place so what I was thinking was at the end of the day I can collect cards, download to my PC and start to sort them. Return the cards in the morning, shoot again, repeat :p Everyone retains personal copyright but allows me to show images on the site and I give appropriate credit (I think she said she'll also give me contact details for competitors so I'll do the marketing stuff if required). Also allows me to handle the admin of any sales a lot easier. I think I can set them up with a seperate paypal addy as well which I could give everyone access to to check progress, need to check that and work it out though, galleries are Jalbum based and it could be a problem, not sure yet.

Any sales get split equally between the shooters based on time. i.e. say I do three days, someone else does four someone else does three; that's a total of 10 man days. IF there's £100 of sales I get £30, #2 gets £40 and #3 gets £30, regardless of who takes the selling shots.

I'm open to any other suggestions though ;)
 
How do you handle the "customer-facing" side - taking orders, printing etc?
Do you have a stall, caravan or just take orders for later delivery?
but even then you'll need to at least show proofs?

I know - lots of questions! sorry
 
Sorry Mike, just PM'd you.

Normally they have on site printing. I've told them I won't do it because I don't have time to organise it properly and they were fine with that. I had been looking into that but a half decent printer is at least £1500, additional costs for someone to do the printing and I'm not prepared to spend that just now. They'll promote my website, I'll put everything onto there, which is effectively the proofs, and handle the processing and ordering from there. As much as possible online to minimise my cost and time input.
 
Rockshifter said:
I'd be interested in shooting the showjumping or/and dressage. I've had some experience of that but would only be available for Sat & Sunday. My boy has also done some horse stuff and would be able to tag along.
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You still interested? If so please PM me and I'll give you some more details :)

The itinary is roughly this

There's only one ring working on the thursday (9.00 AM till 7.00 PM). Friday has two rings 9.00AM to 5.00PM), Saturday is the main ring and the cross country (8.30AM till 6.00PM), a biggy, and Zara Phillips has just confirmed her entry. Sunday is Main arena only, might be a bit of cross country but not been confirmed.8.30AM till about 4.00 PM) All times for finishing are approximate. :|

At present there's me for first three days. Another can manage thursday or Saturday, another can possibly manage all four days.

This isn't too many by any stretch of the imagination, particularly on the saturday. The cross country is a huge course with some rather attractive jumps. I've just reinstated the link for two years ago to my gallery to give you an idea of the variation here Unfortunately these were all at the wrong side of the ropes :(

I have to say if anyone commits this really is solid hard work. There won't be much time to take breaks (although I will cover food etc :) ), a lot of it will be stuck in one place, a lot will be boring, it will be tiring and you'll have to shoot regardless of the weather. I'm not trying to put people off but it's fair you know how it is before hand :p
 
Dod,

I don't know if you are interested but you can hire the Dye Sub - I hired a Dye Sub the other week from System Insight for £200 (a week's hire) and then paid £0.59 for every print (9x6) I made. They also did me a sale or return deal on the 6x9 Spicer Hallifield mounts (80% of sale price on what I returned). It's delivered and collected from you for £30 and comes in a flight case.

As for the online ordering have you seen my website - it uses Gallery2; you can upload images and get people to build a cart of images and pay securely via PayPal. It's very easy to setup and use and even has a remote upload tool to help populate the galleries, but best of all it is FREE. Heart Internet has this on a one click install but most good web hosting should have this too.

If you were closer I'd help out (and supply the hardware to print on site too - as I'm about to buy the kit this week for my own event stuff which is starting to take off) but I'm not sorry :shake:
 
thanks Simon, I've actually been messing about with Gallery2 but haven't quite got it ready yet to go live, time's the issue as always. It's way better than Jalbum IMO.

I'd be interested in the printer you actually ended up going for if it's not tooo nosey, I could use it for MX as well as equine and doggy stuff. Keep getting asked to cover more events nowadays :)

Edit: thanks ;)
 
SimonTALM said:
I've PMed you, but for everyone else

I'm probably going to get the Mitsubishi 9550.
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Hmm, that looks like it's reasonable, the one I had recommended previously was the Fujifilm ASK2000. Quite a bit dearer, that's what put me off.
 
Well, an update :)

It's been quite a four days. HUGE thanks to Mike and Jim, absolutely battled through four days of four seasons. 10-11 hour days, about 10,000 images, hopefully some good contacts made and loads of lessons learned, not least of which was printing on site is definitely the way to go for this kind of event.

I'm sure we'll all get round to posting some shots up soon but catching up on sleep is the first priority ;)
 
Congratulations, your still alive and welcome to the no sleep club. I am in the final panic stages for next weekend for my second event

Did you get to print onsite in the end or is that something you'll do next time?

P.S. I ended up with an Olmec OP1000, it is the same price as the Mitsubishi 9550 but has double the print speed (1x 6"x9" in 15 seconds) and comes with a 2 year waranty.
 
awesome, just got this in an email :D

Hi,

Just wanted to say how great your pics are for Burgie. I was competing there myself and plan to order a couple (just waiting to see how awful I looked in my show jumping!).

I run [name removed] image library so appreciate seeing decent event pictures. So many people think they can take pics of horses but there's a real art to it. I particularly love your candid shots. Really nice and certainly captures the mood of the weekend.

Look forward to seeing more of your work.

Kind regards,

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Congratulations Dod, sounds like you and your team did a bang up job of produing some fantastic shots, can't wait to see some of them.
 
10,000 images! :eek: :cuckoo:

Let me know when the website is up, I'd love to see them.
 
Hacker said:
10,000 images! :eek: :cuckoo:

Let me know when the website is up, I'd love to see them.
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Finished everything last night Colin, the main link is here

Not surprisingly there are considerably less on the site. I've looked through every iimage and been pretty ruthless with the selections. First to go obviously were the OOF shots, then the really bad exposures, then the ones where they were fine technically but the horse or rider were obscured in some way. Then the ones where they were essentially a duplicate and finally the 3000 Jim took of Ms Philips bahookie :D
 
Looks like a good set to me - I am suprised how cheap you are selling for; £6 for a 6x9 print is very low compared to the market. Most of the main companies are selling online for over double that £15 is common (including postage) some even charge £20 incuding postage :eek:
 
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