Seat Leon Petrol 1.4 or Hyundai i30 Diesel 1.6

Good information indeed. That said my average annual mileage is 6,000 and after 18 months and almost 9,000 miles with my MY13 Cee'd 1.6 CRDi I have yet to see a dashboard warning light appear. My driving pattern is mostly of short trips (9 miles round trip) on a daily basis, with the occasional longer trip once or twice a month. I am acutely aware of the DPF constraints and do look out for indicators of a regen occurring (or becoming due) and take steps (e.g. plan a day out for some togging or to take the dog somewhere further afield) to make sure that the car will complete a regen successfully. It is really no hardship - just a good excuse to get out more. It's also worth noting that some brands appear more tolerant of DPF abuse, with Kia cars being far less fussy than some other brands according to posts I've read elsewhere.

Oh stop confusing me....now I read that a dashboard warning will alert me as to when it's required for me to do a "longer" journey perhaps it can be factored in - I just did nt want to be on a rush somewhere and find I had to keep driving around!!!
 
This. He should drive what he has vas save the money now, for later to buy a bigger, more comfortable and more powerful car
It has to be said that latest diesels will give less problems than the early iterations?

Btw. What is the problem with the current car? You are not really upgrading to anything nicer or bigger so why waste 10k?

Maybe true - but I've always changed my car every three years to get a newer (hopefully) more reliable car which should (in theory) cost less to run and maintain....
I could keep my current car and run it in to the ground.....but who wants to keep driving and older and older car when they can afford to swap....

Actually this car was due to be changed in January of this year but I decided I'd save for around another 12 months to enable me to get something a little higher priced than I'd done before....
 
Btw. What is the problem with the current car? You are not really upgrading to anything nicer or bigger so why waste 10k?
That is a fair question and worth asking. I kept my last car for 13 years from new and it was still going strong when I traded it in, but as a 2 door coupe it was no longer suited to my 51 years, monster belly and my dog. It was also thirsty and a bit heavy on road tax compared to a modern diesel. The Cee'd is perfect for my needs today and should last me a decade at least. Changing a car for something very little different does seem worthy of review.
 
Consider likely residuals after 3yrs / 5yrs. If car A is likely to be worth 50% of its current value, but car B, is likely to be worth 20% of its current value, car is is the winner...
 
Consider likely residuals after 3yrs / 5yrs. If car A is likely to be worth 50% of its current value, but car B, is likely to be worth 20% of its current value, car is is the winner...
If you keep the car long enough and average the depreciation over the time, the longer you keep the car the less money you lose per annum and the longer you have to put the pennies away for something new.

e.g. My previous car cost me £18,500 new. After 13 years of ownership and £1,000 trade in value I lost £17.500/13 = £1,346 per annum. If I'd moved it on after three years I would probably have seen 50% wiped off the value so that's £9,250/3 = £3083 per annum. The £1700 I saved annually by keeping the car longer pretty much paid all my tax, insurance, servicing and fuel costs for the life of the car.
 
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1st year sees the highest depreciation. I will always leave that honour to the charitable people and buy at least 1-2 years old if I'm desperate for reasonably new... 2-4 is perhaps the best age.

10k extra is like 400mm f2.8l lens and 1dx and some left overs. That is just an example - the point is you become a new car slave and deny yourself all the other nice things for not very strong reason. A 4 year old car is pretty unlikely to cause major trouble (there are nasty exceptions and you know yours better than us).

I am keeping mine for now, probably with minimal or most essential servicing only and waiting for the right moment to jump onto a much bigger and nicer SUV. Over the last year the recent CRVs became accessible to me for the first time, and hopefully soon I will have chance to consider Tiguan or skoda yeti. This will incredibly expand the functionality of the car.
 
Can't believe on a photography forum you guys are worrying about me spending my hard earned cash lol....

My family will get more out of me having a nice motor than a fancy lens and camera ;)

The Seat 1.2 petrol engine is now being considered.....
 
1st year sees the highest depreciation. I will always leave that honour to the charitable people and buy at least 1-2 years old if I'm desperate for reasonably new... 2-4 is perhaps the best age.

10k extra is like 400mm f2.8l lens and 1dx and some left overs. That is just an example - the point is you become a new car slave and deny yourself all the other nice things for not very strong reason. A 4 year old car is pretty unlikely to cause major trouble (there are nasty exceptions and you know yours better than us).

I am keeping mine for now, probably with minimal or most essential servicing only and waiting for the right moment to jump onto a much bigger and nicer SUV. Over the last year the recent CRVs became accessible to me for the first time, and hopefully soon I will have chance to consider Tiguan or skoda yeti. This will incredibly expand the functionality of the car.

I found you several BMW X5's which are either soot chuckers or proper gas guzzlers. 7mpg motoring is great, especially at 140mph....
 
It has to be said that latest diesels will give less problems than the early iterations?

Btw. What is the problem with the current car? You are not really upgrading to anything nicer or bigger so why waste 10k?
Read the first line, he wants something newer. Why should it be a waste of 10k just because he wants something a year to 18 months old instead of 5yrs old.
 
Maybe true - but I've always changed my car every three years to get a newer (hopefully) more reliable car which should (in theory) cost less to run and maintain....
I could keep my current car and run it in to the ground.....but who wants to keep driving and older and older car when they can afford to swap....

Actually this car was due to be changed in January of this year but I decided I'd save for around another 12 months to enable me to get something a little higher priced than I'd done before....
Have you thought about a brand new car but buying it on a pcp agreement like Ford's Options. They have loads of deals where you only have to put a few hundred pound down as a deposit and similar amount each month for 2 or 3yr contracts, you are free to trade the car in at anytime before the term ends and start all over again with another car. That way your 10K can sit in the bank and fund your monthly payments, it's true you never actually own the car unless you keep it until the end of the contract and pay the remaining future value of the car, but for someone who likes to change cars regularly any depreciation won't affect you, you may just have to keep paying a realatively small deposit each time you change.
 
Can't believe on a photography forum you guys are worrying about me spending my hard earned cash lol....

My family will get more out of me having a nice motor than a fancy lens and camera ;)

The Seat 1.2 petrol engine is now being considered.....

Home improvements, new 4k TV, fancy cooker, more luxurious food, family vacation? I am sure They will fancy more of this rather than a different boring car on the drive way.

Honestly, stay away from 1.2 TSI. It is very capable of earning speeding tickets. I narrowly avoided 2 in just a space of 4 hours. Then you end up driving as a pensioner out of the fear.

I found you several BMW X5's which are either soot chuckers or proper gas guzzlers. 7mpg motoring is great, especially at 140mph....

Let's face it, it won't happen. All the extra insurance + VED for a bit of fun five times a year isn't really worth it. I'll get it done properly with a modern 'standalone' diesel lump once I properly assess my situation. I am 40% / 40% split between Tiguan and CRV. I know which one I'd prefer, but there is a hefty premium to pay with current prices and I don't really want the very first DPF iteration. I need to test drive a few before I can really pin point what I actually want in flesh.

Read the first line, he wants something newer. Why should it be a waste of 10k just because he wants something a year to 18 months old instead of 5yrs old.

It is all personal choice I suppose. I still can't quite digest the idea of dropping £15k on a very ordinary Hyundai, Ford or Seat (and I drive one of those daily).
 
We have the DPF problem on a few of our newer vans it's a real pain as obviously there is a load of stop start
driving, meaning the lights come on almost weekly and have to be cleared :banghead:
 
It is all personal choice I suppose. I still can't quite digest the idea of dropping £15k on a very ordinary Hyundai, Ford or Seat (and I drive one of those daily).
For 15k I reckon there's a good chance he could get a 1.6 Ecoboost Focus Estate Titanium, possibly even a Titanium X, far from ordinary, well built plenty of toys 150 or 180PS engine. Everyone has different finances and needs/wants, just because he's spending £10k plus his part ex, it doesn't mean he doesn't have money for other stuff too. I'm sure he won't be forcing his family and home won't be going without just because he's bought a newer car.
 
For 15k I reckon there's a good chance he could get a 1.6 Ecoboost Focus Estate Titanium, possibly even a Titanium X, far from ordinary, well built plenty of toys 150 or 180PS engine. Everyone has different finances and needs/wants, just because he's spending £10k plus his part ex, it doesn't mean he doesn't have money for other stuff too. I'm sure he won't be forcing his family and home won't be going without just because he's bought a newer car.

Cheers but the Focus has been ruled out for small boot size.......but yes I'd hope to be driving a nicer car with a few newer toys.

Over the years I've bought and traded up from a Citroen AX 11 through various Ford Escorts and Focus's.....whilst I agree it may not be best for my pocket it has enabled to get newer and more reliable cards with better features.....I'm now looking for something a little less thirsty than my 1.8 focus without having to sacrifice too much in the way of BHP - I'm amazed in just 4-5 years how engines have developed with the 1.4 TSI looking as equal to my 1.8 in power but more economical and even with the 1.2 TSI I'd only perhaps have to give up a little power....but would make savings on fuel and road tax, not to mention no worries about MOT's for a couple of years.
 
Question. Which one goes the most above 100mph. Thats the one you need....;)

Subaru Impreza WRX hatch :D

£500 a year road tax, 22 mpg rising to a lofty 30mpg if you drive it like a nun (unlikely)

I've had mine a year now and love it as much as the day I got it.

Fuel tax and insurance are cheap compared to depreciation , I paid £6700 for it at 4 years old on a 09 plate, at 5 years old it's still worth around the same.

My next door neighbour bought a mini diesel the same week , he commented on the fuel the Subaru uses compared to the mini

Within 3 months he'd spent over £1000 getting the DPF replaced , read some scare stories about reliability and repair costs so sold it losing another £1000



Makes my subaru look cheap as apart from fuel and 4 tyres it hasn't cost me anything.
 
Subaru Impreza WRX hatch :D

£500 a year road tax, 22 mpg rising to a lofty 30mpg if you drive it like a nun (unlikely)

I've had mine a year now and love it as much as the day I got it.

Fuel tax and insurance are cheap compared to depreciation , I paid £6700 for it at 4 years old on a 09 plate, at 5 years old it's still worth around the same.

My next door neighbour bought a mini diesel the same week , he commented on the fuel the Subaru uses compared to the mini

Within 3 months he'd spent over £1000 getting the DPF replaced , read some scare stories about reliability and repair costs so sold it losing another £1000



Makes my subaru look cheap as apart from fuel and 4 tyres it hasn't cost me anything.
I'm willing to bet servicing won't be cheap. My son used to work in a garage that specialised in performance and race cars. He hated it when a Subaru came in because so much in the engine bay was inaccessible or difficult to get to.
 
I would go for a ford too. They seem to have a good balance of reliability and price. Focus estate is a great car, and as far as estates go its not bad looking either.
 
I would go for a ford too. They seem to have a good balance of reliability and price. Focus estate is a great car, and as far as estates go its not bad looking either.

1.0 litre 125 bhp engine?
I don't want a diesel....

Higher specs seem to depreciate the most but if I go a year old it will have lost its biggest chunk....
 
I'm willing to bet servicing won't be cheap. My son used to work in a garage that specialised in performance and race cars. He hated it when a Subaru came in because so much in the engine bay was inaccessible or difficult to get to.

depends where you go, I use a garage that charges £25 an hour, there's no tiled floor or coffee machine, just a good mechanic who works for a reasonable rate

Last service was about £150 but the plugs were expensive plus I only use castrol edge oil so the parts were almost £100 of that
 
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1.0 litre 125 bhp engine?
I don't want a diesel....

Higher specs seem to depreciate the most but if I go a year old it will have lost its biggest chunk....
You need to find a 1.0 Ecoboost to drive, I've driven a Fiesta and a B-Max with the 1.0 engine, it's surprisingly quick and pulls strongly. Other than the engine shaking a bit at idle if you watch it with the bonnet open, you'd never guess all that power is coming from a small 3 cylinder engine. I'm currently working with some engineers who were on the 1.0L engine's development team and they reckon the Focus is the better installation. I'd have said maybe bigger petrol engines may have higher depreciation, I've not heard that higher spec cars would have higher depreciation, I'd have thought they would have been more attractive to buyers and hold their value better. If you are interested in a Focus Estate, see what deals are about at Ford dealers, you might assume that they would cost more, but having spent 6 months looking for a specific spec Focus ST3, I bought a year old car, just 3 months ago. The car was advertised and cost me less than a lot of 2nd hand dealers wanted for the lower spec ST2. Plus the new facelift Mk3 Focus will be hitting the showrooms soon so if you can hang on for a bit dealers may well be flooded with more 2nd hand cars as people trade them in for the new model.
 
You need to find a 1.0 Ecoboost to drive, I've driven a Fiesta and a B-Max with the 1.0 engine, it's surprisingly quick and pulls strongly. Other than the engine shaking a bit at idle if you watch it with the bonnet open, you'd never guess all that power is coming from a small 3 cylinder engine. I'm currently working with some engineers who were on the 1.0L engine's development team and they reckon the Focus is the better installation. I'd have said maybe bigger petrol engines may have higher depreciation, I've not heard that higher spec cars would have higher depreciation, I'd have thought they would have been more attractive to buyers and hold their value better. If you are interested in a Focus Estate, see what deals are about at Ford dealers, you might assume that they would cost more, but having spent 6 months looking for a specific spec Focus ST3, I bought a year old car, just 3 months ago. The car was advertised and cost me less than a lot of 2nd hand dealers wanted for the lower spec ST2. Plus the new facelift Mk3 Focus will be hitting the showrooms soon so if you can hang on for a bit dealers may well be flooded with more 2nd hand cars as people trade them in for the new model.
Cheers.... Is the estate variant of the mk3 coming out at the same time as the hatchback? I'm in no rush to swap and was thinking Xmas might be a quiet time at the dealership....
 
Not sure if the Estate will be out at the same time, sometimes Ford hold back the estate for a few months, but seeing as we only get the hatchback or estate (no 4dr saloon in the UK) there is every chance they will launch the estate same times as the hatchback. Should find out in the next month or so.
 
I've had 6 Hyundai i30 diesels this past year (work hire cars) and I travel a few hundred miles a week - mostly motorways - and before that I had Ford Focus diesels and I have to say I love the Hyundai - comfortable, economical, roomy, handle very well (I believe they have the steering settings as standard - sport, comfort or normal). Can't fault them tbh, apart from being 'ordinary' lol.
 
If you buy a diesel with a particulate filter, be aware that they are not suited to mainly town driving, because the filter will clog up, and will not self-clean itself. The petrol engine is much better suited to urban use.

Dave
Thats an urban myth, ive driven Diesels (Ford Kuga, Ford C-Max, Kia Ceed estate, Skoda Fabia, Hyundai) with DPF's for the last 8 years and only cover a max 8000 miles a year with a only a 5 mile urban crawl to work and 5 mile back each day, yes the DPF can clog but a simple burn out of 15 minutes once a month at above 50mph cleans it out as does sitting the car on the drive to warm up for 10 minutes once a month before setting off to work, its never an issue, how many of us genuinley dont take their car out on a half decent run once a month and i dont mean a 100 mile run on the motorway.
 
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