Schumacher Officially Signs for Mercedes!

Good to see the name back and hopefully Brawn can build him a decent car

Still think Lewis will take some stopping next year however
 
Totally irrelevant IMO.

Wait and see which car is fastest, then pick one from two.

Another F1 season rolls on by.
 
:razz: I thought i would be safe from seeing this news on here :lol:

oh well it will give some of the other driver like lewis doing what he once said he wanted to do and that is to drive againts him so lewis got his wish...
 
Most uninformed comment of the thread goes too.... Simmotino.. Congratulations!

2005 Results - Renault/MM :O 2 different teams!
2006 Results - Renault/Ferrari:O 2 different teams!
2007 Results - Ferrari/MM :O 2 different teams!
2008 Results - MM/Ferrari :O 2 different teams!
2009 Results - Brawn/Red Bull :O 2 different teams!

5 seasons and no team 1/2!

James
 
Most uninformed comment of the thread goes too.... Simmotino.. Congratulations!

2005 Results - Renault/MM :O 2 different teams!
2006 Results - Renault/Ferrari:O 2 different teams!
2007 Results - Ferrari/MM :O 2 different teams!
2008 Results - MM/Ferrari :O 2 different teams!
2009 Results - Brawn/Red Bull :O 2 different teams!

5 seasons and no team 1/2!

James
 
Jamesbuk said:
Most uninformed comment of the thread goes too.... Simmotino.. Congratulations!

2005 Results - Renault/MM :O 2 different teams!
2006 Results - Renault/Ferrari:O 2 different teams!
2007 Results - Ferrari/MM :O 2 different teams!
2008 Results - MM/Ferrari :O 2 different teams!
2009 Results - Brawn/Red Bull :O 2 different teams!

5 seasons and no team 1/2!

James
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If I understood that I'd respond. As it is, I don't think you understood my post.
 
from what i can understand of your post your stating that the championships will be won by the fastest team and the drivers title by one of that teams two drivers.

James response is that the past 5 years championships have finished with different teams drivers as 1 and 2 in the championship.
 
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from what i can understand of your post your stating that the championships will be won by the fastest team and the drivers title by one of that teams two drivers.

James response is that the past 5 years championships have been won by different teams (drivers and constructors) which does indeed nulify your comments. this years championship for example was not actually won by the fastest team as throughout the year different teams were quicker at different times of the year.
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So you wouldn't agree the best car on the grid last year was the Brawn?

And that the year before it was the McLaren?

Odd to be honest, as all the pundits (and a lot of the teams themselves) seem to be of that opinion
 
Simmotino said:
So you wouldn't agree the best car on the grid last year was the Brawn?

And that the year before it was the McLaren?

Odd to be honest, as all the pundits (and a lot of the teams themselves) seem to be of that opinion
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depends what time of year you were talking about, for the first half of the year yes it was, for the second half of the season it was nothing more than a midfield car with problems keeping heat in its tyres, towards the end of the year the best car on the grid was the redbull. quantifying which car is the best is increadibly difficult over and above that of the overall championship, which last year was the brawn, but at the same time it was not consistently the fastest.
in 2007 the mclaren was the fastest car yet they managed to not win titles.

if it was as clear cut as you appear to make out that it is, can you explain to me why in non of those years were all races won by the same team. if that was the case then your comment would hold a bit more water.


just noticed that i misnenterpretted james data a bit wrong earlier, he was actually showing that no teams drivers have managed a 1-2 in the championship over the past 5 years rather than teams and drivers.
 
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if it was as clear cut as you appear to make out that it is, can you explain to me why in non of those years were all races won by the same team. if that was the case then your comment would hold a bit more water.
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On a race to race basis, there are many other factors involved like other drivers parking their car in the side of you, mechanical failure, driver error, weather, debris, etc., etc., etc.

Over the course of a season however, the better car will produce the champion. It's something that even the authorities are aware of which is why they keep fiddling with the rules and regulations and dress it up as cost saving exercises.
 
My point, Simmotino, was that you said pick 1 of the 2 drivers from a team with the fastest car, and they'll win the championship. Now going by your logic it would dictate that the person in that team who doesn't win the championship, would come second. My data from F1.com indicates thats not true.

Your claim that the fastest car will win is not true, take a look at 2008. Ferrari won the most races, Hamilton won the championship. Mclaren-Mercedes won 6 to Ferrari's 8. To break it down further, Hamilton won 5 & Massa (second place in champ) won 6.

Whitewash - My apologies, I should've made the data clearer but I was in a rush to get out the door :p but yes, the data that I posted from F1.com was to indicate that no teams drivers scored a 1-2 in the past 5 seasons indicating it isn't a case of best car wins the championship.
 
Jamesbuk said:
Your claim that the fastest car will win is not true, take a look at 2008. Ferrari won the most races, Hamilton won the championship. Mclaren-Mercedes won 6 to Ferrari's 8. To break it down further, Hamilton won 5 & Massa (second place in champ) won 6.
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You believe the Ferrari was a better car than the McLaren in 2008? Ferrari didn't.
 
I never said that did I? I merely pointed out the statistics of race wins between the 2 cars pointing out the fact that in race win terms, the Ferrari was faster. You believe that the driver of the fastest car will win.

Now, we can delve deeper into statistics if you want? Like how many seconds places/third places/fastest laps heck even pit times.. each team scored per race. The point is the fastest car & driver doesn't always win the championship as you tried to indicate in your original post.
 
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Jamesbuk said:
I never said that did I? I merely pointed out the statistics of race wins between the 2 cars. You believe that the driver of the fastest car will win.

Now, we can delve deeper into statistics if you want? Like how many seconds places/third places/fastest laps heck even pit times.. each team scored per race. The point is the fastest car & driver doesn't always win the championship as you tried to indicate in your original post.
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OK, maybe use of the word 'fastest' is the confusion here. Swap that out for the word 'best'.

First, second, third etc. are irrelevant. Forumla 1 these days is all about the cars and very little about the drivers. Captain Charisma winning the title this year proves that quite eloquently.
 
Maybe it is.. but I guess its how you define "best".

Fastest can be statistically proved or disproved, as long as the 2 parties agree on the criteria, whilst 'best' is merely down to what each person would classify as best i.e. Is a car that finishes every race, regardless of position, better than a car which wins 4 races and DNF's 8 races? (just a made up scenario). From an engineering point of view it probably is 'better' - but from a sporting POV? Probably not so much...

I 'mildly' disagree with what you said about the drivers. It does still come down to the drivers, to a degree, but unfortunately gone are the days when a driver could kick a car from toward the back of the grid to the front *every race* - which is why I enjoy watching the old era of Formula one races whenever I get a chance :p
 
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I 'mildly' disagree with what you said about the drivers. It does still come down to the drivers, to a degree, but unfortunately gone are the days when a driver could kick a car from toward the back of the grid to the front *every race* - which is why I enjoy watching the old era of Formula one races whenever I get a chance :p
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I'm gonna stop now before we get too close to agreeing! :lol::thumbs:
 
none of what eiher of you said count .. because wih him racing again we know who he winner will be..:razz: it's written in the FIA rules isn't it:lol:
 
gumbo-67 said:
none of what eiher of you said count .. because wih him racing again we know who he winner will be..:razz: it's written in the FIA rules isn't it:lol:
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Lets not forget the need for additional "Side Impact Protection" in the event that anyone gets close enough to risk "his" championship. I'm sure Hill (adelaide 94) and Villeneuve (Jerez 97) will vouch for this requirement :lol:
 
:D - Well with Mr Todt at the head of the FIA - who knows, will he feel betrayed by Schumacher leaving Ferrari and decide to *punish* him? Hopefully not Mosley style.. :p
 
I am big fan of Moto GP and tried very hard last season to get into formula one(granted half way throught the season) and just found it so boring.

Its all about the cars and what they will do and not alot about the driver, said around 80%car 20% driver, so this will be interesting to see if shumacker can make the car sing and dance as good as he did the Ferrari.

If the car aint the best next season he will win nothing,

Give me Moto GP anyday where its said to be 80% rider 20% bike.
 
AndrewA123 said:
Lets not forget the need for additional "Side Impact Protection" in the event that anyone gets close enough to risk "his" championship. I'm sure Hill (adelaide 94) and Villeneuve (Jerez 97) will vouch for this requirement :lol:
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i am more than sure all the teams will now be having these installed.
 
SpikeK6 said:
I am big fan of Moto GP and tried very hard last season to get into formula one(granted half way throught the season) and just found it so boring.

Its all about the cars and what they will do and not alot about the driver, said around 80%car 20% driver, so this will be interesting to see if shumacker can make the car sing and dance as good as he did the Ferrari.

If the car aint the best next season he will win nothing,

Give me Moto GP anyday where its said to be 80% rider 20% bike.
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I will agree F1 has been a tad boring over the last couple of season's, with the electronics that where in place (TC namely) had the efect of dulling it down taking away some of the skill. This years bulls up with the rule change and the double diffusers that where supposed to banned but legal because of a loophole didnt help this season. Yes on paper it was a close race, but some races where decided by quili results.

The rules are making the cars pretty simular would like to see the rules relaxed a tad. Hopefully next years design in tyres will help spice the life up alittle.

One thing for sure Schumi will not be affraid to mix it up a bit, something that is lacking from some of the current crop last season. Id have likeda bigger points gap for a win though.

This years MotoGP was not a great deal better though IMHO again electronics is having an effect on it. the 125, 250's where much better to watch, as was WSS.

Schumi back in F1 could be a major plus, his ability to adapt to changing conditions of drive around faults, or recover after pushing past the limit is amazing. Remember seeing a race he won with just a couple of gears after a faulty box, also remember him at Silverstone (the year of the Airwolf sounding Mclearn :thinking:) in a Ferrari that was one of the worst cars to have on the grid, being on the limit every lap, with tyres squilling, and the car drifting, simply amazing,
 
um like we didn't see that coming for months ago, as soon as Merc signed over Brawn it was just a matter of time before Schui came back.. so looking forward to 2010 now... roll on March
 
aye, will be a good season if hes got the car under him..massa, schu, alonso, hamilton, button, vettel...
 
the questions if as brawn fell away at the mid season due to the budget problems, would 2010 now be better for them or will red bull and mclaren hit them hard - I cannot see ferrari being any good
 
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the questions if as brawn fell away at the mid season due to the budget problems, would 2010 now be better for them or will red bull and mclaren hit them hard - I cannot see ferrari being any good
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Why not Ferrari, Mclearn and Ferrari would have been 1-2 based on the second half of the season points scored, and thats after Ferrari stopped delevoping the 2009 car earlier then any other team!

I think the Merc team may suffer in the first couple of races, id expect Ferrari and Mclearn being the top ones to beat followed by Redbull, the Merc will develop quickliy though i recon with an increased budget and Brawn head of th team.

Mclearn to struggle towards mid season unless they can recover the lost sponsorship from Merc. I think by the end of the season there will be close between Ferrari, Mclearn, Redbull, and Merc.
 
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