Schools banning photography

joxby said:
Do me a favour

If I was the OP, I would have walk out too.

I'm here to fix a phone at your invitation, the idea that I can't be trusted to do that without taking pictures of children is particularly distasteful.
This thread is derailed, its become about whether pictures should or should not be allowed to be taken in schools, when the op's point is clearly one of trust.
Do you confiscate parents phones/cameras when they turn up with them for the Christmas play, or you just tell them they can't take pictures and leave it at that.

I work in schools installing/maintenance all the time and the only real rules of engagement are related to tools (not leaving them lying about) obviously, H+S trip hazards and related dangers, nobody has yet decided that we can't be trusted to maintain a safe environment.

Unless you can come up with some concrete reason why I can't keep my phone on me, like...I dunno RF interference with delicate medical equipment or something, I'm certainly not leaving it at home, in the van, at reception or anywhere else on the basis you don't trust me, fix your own telephone.
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......or supervise me if it bothers you that much.....

COMMON BLOOMING SENSE!

Heather
 
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Tigger.ufo said:
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......or supervise me if it bothers you that much.....

COMMON BLOOMING SENSE!

Heather
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RIP beloved common sense, it passed away a LONG time ago it feels :(



Oh and Soriendo - THANKYOU!!! That pic is the BEST response I have ever seen to these threads, which we know crop up on a regular basis and argue themselves round in circles. :clap: :thumbs:
 
Can't believe I'm posting this on a public forum (!), but Flash In The Pan's comment is 100% correct.

Preventing parents from taking pictures to 'safeguard' children then selling the same people a DVD is such a flawed arguement its not even funny! Have you vetted everyone who gets to see the DVD and if so how, because a CRB is in reality a complete paper tiger.

Mike
 
TheLiege said:
I can only assume that you would take the same attitude towards anyone asking you to delete the photo you had just taken of them without their permission and I think this attitude shows a general disregard for other people and is just plain rude. I wouldn't keep a photo of anyone if they had specifically requested that it was deleted regardless of whether they're a child, a complete stranger, a friend or my mother, it just seems like common decency to me.
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Not all cameras actually have the facility to delete photos :cool:
 
tiler65 said:
Do you mean Scotland or Britain/UK?......... touché Graham....
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To be pedantic all of the examples above occurred in England, so if you want to narrow it down to a particular constituent part of the UK, then..... ;)
 
OMFG!!! I found this Should someone not be warning Google of the potential problems that could occur from displaying such images. Yes we all have opinions, and mine goes out to all those that think photographing children when they are in a natural innocent environment is wrong, grow up get a life.
 
Yv said:
RIP beloved common sense, it passed away a LONG time ago it feels :(



Oh and Soriendo - THANKYOU!!! That pic is the BEST response I have ever seen to these threads, which we know crop up on a regular basis and argue themselves round in circles. :clap: :thumbs:
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You are very welcome :D


u8myufo said:
OMFG!!! I found this Should someone not be warning Google of the potential problems that could occur from displaying such images. Yes we all have opinions, and mine goes out to all those that think photographing children when they are in a natural innocent environment is wrong, grow up get a life.
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Your Freeman's/Littlewoods catalogues - should everyone be CRB checked before they are allowed one? And Anne Geddes :eek:
 
Unless you can come up with some concrete reason why I can't keep my phone

What about 'cause its my school with my rules and if you dont want to abide by them then a) Ill employ someone else and b) take your kids somewhere else.

IF anyone honestly thinks a school is going to packet a fortune by selling a few DVD's they have no clue about finances.
 
tiler65 said:
Spoilsport!!
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Uneducated_Rick said:
all images deleted - not just one or two of them
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boliston said:
Not all cameras actually have the facility to delete photos :cool:
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Where does it say "one or two"? As far as I can see all boliston said was that there are cameras that don't have the facility to delete photos, he doesn't say selectively delete them, just delete.

Ergo my point stands :D
 
always makes me laugh when I visit a school/nursery as their photographer, I have to leave the mobile in reception incase I errr take photos of the children. :thinking:
 
Great thread this guys and Gals.

i shoot Schools and in only 12 years asked for CRB 3 times. worth less paper. schools that ask do iot AND ONLY do it. to cover themselves.

i do lots of school plays and Nativity but i shoot on studio set at dress rehersal and sell on the days of shos.

NOTE. Foster kids are really only at risk. And who from? I will come back to that.

Banning helps me sell more so happy days.

Right to those soft Herberts who want to protect the World... News up.

7 years in Scenes of Crime Photography unit of Thame Valley Police we never had peudo promlems. shed loads of chils neglect and abuse....

AND from WHO? FAMILY of the the victim. Cousins/Uncles/Step Dads/reletives. Very very very rare it is a complete stranger.

I get so feed up with all the Horse ~ C rap that middle Class minorities keep spouting the rest of this country should do.

Worried about molesters and Peudophiles then look to members of the family and neighbours.

It's 99% of the time some one in positition of trust.

Look at the family that lost 6 kids in a house fire? The parents did it.


Shannon Mathews? Oh it's the parents!!!!

So those on here should really take a good look at this Country. Because it's you that is making this Country soft and causing unnecesary paper work and incurity levels to a new high.

This does not happen in other countries and the crime rate is no different on this subject.


If a parent wants to shoot his or her kids then they should. If you an insecure nail bitting worring the world is so cruel then go home and take your wrapped up cotton wool child with you....
 
We must be lucky here in Rushmoor. My children's schools have always allowed photography. The only condition is at plays no flash is allowed (fair enough).
As they have been so reasonable I would also be reasonable and not shoot if they asked for any reason.
 
cornishboy said:
What about 'cause its my school with my rules and if you dont want to abide by them then a) Ill employ someone else and b) take your kids somewhere else.
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Cos your a school mod

schools are not an internet forum, there is no "my schools and rules"

I don't have kids, so that's your blackmail card out the window too,.
And I dunno what a contractors kids have to do with the issue of whether he keeps his phone in his pocket or not either, surely they are completely unrelated.
 
there is no "my schools and rules"

That's why schools can't employ headteachers - worlds gone mad
 
Daryl said:
Great thread this guys and Gals.

i shoot Schools and in only 12 years asked for CRB 3 times. worth less paper. schools that ask do iot AND ONLY do it. to cover themselves.

i do lots of school plays and Nativity but i shoot on studio set at dress rehersal and sell on the days of shos.

NOTE. Foster kids are really only at risk. And who from? I will come back to that.

Banning helps me sell more so happy days.

Right to those soft Herberts who want to protect the World... News up.

7 years in Scenes of Crime Photography unit of Thame Valley Police we never had peudo promlems. shed loads of chils neglect and abuse....

AND from WHO? FAMILY of the the victim. Cousins/Uncles/Step Dads/reletives. Very very very rare it is a complete stranger.

I get so feed up with all the Horse ~ C rap that middle Class minorities keep spouting the rest of this country should do.

Worried about molesters and Peudophiles then look to members of the family and neighbours.

It's 99% of the time some one in positition of trust.

Look at the family that lost 6 kids in a house fire? The parents did it.


Shannon Mathews? Oh it's the parents!!!!

So those on here should really take a good look at this Country. Because it's you that is making this Country soft and causing unnecesary paper work and incurity levels to a new high.

This does not happen in other countries and the crime rate is no different on this subject.


If a parent wants to shoot his or her kids then they should. If you an insecure nail bitting worring the world is so cruel then go home and take your wrapped up cotton wool child with you....
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Very well put,plus the cotton wool world we create for are children,is a luxury of an aflauent society,most children in the world don't even have much of an childhood :shake:
 
In response to post #4 (and the following debate)...Why didn't the school ask the workman to leave his bags at reception (in case he is a thief), did they check him for fire-starting equipment in case he is an arsonist - did they ask him to leave his cigarettes at the reception in case he was to break that particular law?

So they considered him so serious a threat that they wanted to confiscate his phone and they still wanted him on site to do the work? They can't have their cake and eat it - if they really are concerned and not just covering their backsides or getting high on hubris, then they should make sure the kids are kept out of sight and away from the threat they perceive.

And for those that say that rules are rules - why expect a workman to concede his own rule of never leaving his phone with a stranger or unattended and to kowtow to a rule that only works on the presumption that he is guilty before the fact?
 
weybourne said:
In response to post #4 (and the following debate)...Why didn't the school ask the workman to leave his bags at reception (in case he is a thief), did they check him for fire-starting equipment in case he is an arsonist - did they ask him to leave his cigarettes at the reception in case he was to break that particular law?

So they considered him so serious a threat that they wanted to confiscate his phone and they still wanted him on site to do the work? They can't have their cake and eat it - if they really are concerned and not just covering their backsides or getting high on hubris, then they should make sure the kids are kept out of sight and away from the threat they perceive.

And for those that say that rules are rules - why expect a workman to concede his own rule of never leaving his phone with a stranger or unattended and to kowtow to a rule that only works on the presumption that he is guilty before the fact?
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Spot on..:thumbs:
 
Nice one Daryl, spot on. Getting back to the original post though, I think the point of it all was that when he entered the school, he should simply been asked not to take photos whilst on private property. Job done. His point was that he was then asked to deposit his phone because he might take photos. Should he have been asked to deposit his trouser belt as he might strangle or beat a child, deposit his shoe laces as he might tie a child up !!! What a pathetic country the loonies are creating.
 
A rule is a rule. You didn't like it, you didn't do the job, you didn't get paid. Someone else I am sure did. Who really lost out?

The chance of them stealing your phone is nil, and you well know it. Purely flaming it just for the sake of it.

The issue with schools is more complex. Every parent has a phone or something with a camera and will be standing up, shooting flash etc. which distracts all including the children.

Photo calls are easier. It means that any who aren't wanting photos of their children can be taken out of this activity and still participate in the whole event. A photographer then covers the event, which allows a percentage to the school and decent photos for all (remember most are not photographers!) then all round win. I don't get why you are so keen to see your child's special moments through a viewfinder?

I hate this one child doesn't want a photo taken, tough crap, remove them attitude that is spouted. These children have suffered horrific trauma in early life and because you want to take a photo you want to remove a sense of self esteem, which is very very hard to get for these kids, just to get a picture of your child, all badly composed on your iPhone. Really, you need to think!
 
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ding76uk said:
I hate this one child doesn't want a photo taken, tough crap, remove them, that is spouted. /QUOTE]

Why do you hate this child, what have they done to you? :suspect:
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cornishboy said:
You are all clearly very lucky that you do not foster children who are subject to a court order and who would be in danger of having their placement ruined should their picture be placed up on facebook or the internet. You are clearly also very lucky that you did not send your children to the nursery in portsmouth where the nursery nurse was photographing children and sending them to a paedophile ring. Perhaps when entering into a job at a children's centre with a phone to respect their wishes you could have left your phone in the car? It may also be the case that having spent 2 weeks ensuring your little angels have learnt lines and are ready to perform, the school were just hoping you would come and watch the play rather than firing off hundreds of flashes in the desperate hope of taking a picture in focus.
In the good old days people accepted that schools did not make rules up just for fun but had some underlying reason for it which didn't need to be explained in explicit detail to every parent. Unfortunately nowadays parents think they have a right to question everything schools do, and should be able to have a say in running the place.
Do all the teachers out there a favour, hear your child read every night, help them with their homework, and support the school in doing a very difficult job, and please stop moaning.
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:plusone: What he said.
 
ding76uk said:
I don't get why you are so keen to see your child's special moments through a viewfinder?
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cause I'd quite like some photos of my daughter growing up and school is part of that

I don't get the current attitude that seems to pervade society that every single person has some sort of predatory motive for whatever they are doing.

If a school genuinely believes that a parent is a threat for whatever reason then surely they have a duty to work to protect the child (children) at risk, it strikes me that banning photography isn't the way to achieve that. If there is someone other then a parent they suspect then surely they should not let them anywhere near.............CRB or not
 
If photogrpahy is a potential threat then it is easier to ban it all together than have to put in places all sorts of rules and processes which ultimately the tax payer is funding.

It may be sledge hammer cracking a nut but schools have more important things to concern themselves with (or they better had)
 
CRB is the tick box that absolves them from taking any real responsibility.
Likewise banning photography absolves them from taking responsibility for children who are abused by pornographers or paedophiles, who insinuate them selves into positions of trust.
 
boyfalldown said:
cause I'd quite like some photos of my daughter growing up and school is part of that
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But surely a photo call would let you get your pics enjoy the production or whatever and mean that all are happy.

For photos of the show a photographer who takes good photos that many parents are unable to and the photo call for family snaps.
 
ding76uk said:
But surely a photo call would let you get your pics enjoy the production or whatever and mean that all are happy.

For photos of the show a photographer who takes good photos that many parents are unable to and the photo call for family snaps.
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Or a degree of trust in parents and not seeing them all as predators maybe? Let people have the choice to buy or not

How does a photocall avoid the issues with child protection etc anyway?
 
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Just because a school makes a rule, it does not make it right, or necessary. Loonies get their own way because people don't challenge rules often enough. Loonies always react by screeching that people who disagree with them must be closet racists, paedos, ageists, sexists, etc etc, delete as applicable.
 
Bluehawk said:
Just because a school makes a rule, it does not make it right, or necessary. Loonies get their own way because people don't challenge rules often enough. Loonies always react by screeching that people who disagree with them must be closet racists, paedos, ageists, sexists, etc etc, delete as applicable.
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Who are these loonies getting their own way and who is claiming that anyone disagrees with them is a racist, P**** etc,.

This is about protection and care of children ultimately led by the 'loony' parents.
 
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