Say "Goodbye" to the DSLR ?

:thinking: :LOL: Altho' they are getting much better!:whistle:
 
It'll be a handful with a 100-400 bolted to the front eh :D
 
Ill wait until they start selling the battery grip to go with it. Then I can still look 'pro' :coat:
 
Make a stupid resolution phone.... encourage people to crop into the images... and reveal just how small that sensor is. Genius.

If it stops idiots from buying DSLRs and then coming on here to ask really dumb questions... more power to Nokia.
 
There are somethings that just work. The DSLR is one of them
 
Pookeyhead said:
If it stops idiots from buying DSLRs and then coming on here to ask really dumb questions... more power to Nokia.
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You never heard the saying "there's no such thing as a dumb question if you don't know the answer" ?

I thought that was what this site was all about, HELPING EACH OTHER & NEWCOMERS to the hobby

As for the original topic, I seriously cannot use live view so no good to me, much prefer a veiw finder
 
hardly... I have just bought the Nokia 1520 which has the 20mp version of the same camera on the 1020. Yes the photos are really great (in comparison to other phone cameras and point and shoots) but will it replace the DSLR? dont be daft, it simply isnt capable... but could it be the death of the point and shoot, in a few years possibly yes...
 
I have a Sony Xperia mobile, but as much as I like it, it will never replace my DSLR and I'm not even the best at using one of them. As said by James, I reckon they could replace your average point and shoot someday with the way smart phones are getting, but DSLR's?...no chance, I'll stick with my 550D :beer:
 
DG Phototraining said:
WOW - I thought the little fat bloke in shorts was ME for a mo !!! But I don't have a beard :D

Off to Classifieds now to sell the DSLR kit

Dave
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Thankfully one person saw the funny side! :whistle:
 
Lol sign me up now for a new Nokia! Don't know why I've just purchased a Nikon D800 after watching that!
 
gramps said:
Thankfully one person saw the funny side! :whistle:
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Oh it was a joke !!! :eek::eek::eek:

Better cancel my ebay post too then :D

But being sensible for a mo - I defo agree that the small point & shoot's days are numbered. My view - 5-7 years max and they won't exist anymore, it'll all be smartphones that edit & upload in seconds with 5G, with prints delivered the next day for those wanting hardcopies, at one end of the togging scale, and better DSLRs (that plug into the 5G phone for upload & prints) at the other - its the middle ground of cheap DSLRs and P&S that are in danger

Dave
 
DG Phototraining said:
But being sensible for a mo - I defo agree that the small point & shoot's days are numbered. My view - 5-7 years max and they won't exist anymore, it'll all be smartphones that edit & upload in seconds with 5G, with prints delivered the next day for those wanting hardcopies, at one end of the togging scale, and better DSLRs (that plug into the 5G phone for upload & prints) at the other - its the middle ground of cheap DSLRs and P&S that are in danger
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I'm not so certain. The smartphone has already pretty much killed off the cheap compact, but there has been something of a resurgence of enthusiast compacts (Sony RX100, Ricoh GRD, Etc). I can see there always being a market for a pocketable camera to compliment a DSLR.
 
Gremlin said:
You never heard the saying "there's no such thing as a dumb question if you don't know the answer" ?
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Yes.

I disagree with it.

How many times have you seen, "I've recently got a [insert inappropriately bought SLR] and I shoot my first wedding next week, what settings do I use?"

There's so many reasons why that's a dumb question it hurts.
 
Your sweeping statement though if read by newcomer to the site who was actually trying to learn the basics may put them off asking questions and we all have to learn somewhere
 
I've done more to help newcomers than most on here thank you very much.

There are newcomers.. and there are idiots who need a reality check.
 
Whatever. Most people on these forums are photographers or, at least, interested in photography and that's always going to skew the responses on threads like this. I don't think it's representative of the general population though.

I don't know anyone who owns a camera other than the one built into their phone, but my family and friends all seem quite satisfied with these for their "social" photography. What's not to like? Holidays, Christmas, birthdays, pubs, clubs etc, just shoot stills and video on a device you always have with you, and share them instantly. The IQ is fine for this, and the odd print will be good at smaller sizes.

I've no idea how digital photography is going to evolve in the future, possibly in ways we can hardly imagine, but I doubt if phone cameras are going to eclipse DSLRs any time soon. The DSLR will probably be consigned to history at some point though. That may not be too far down the track.
 
Yep.. we'll have sensors that can record so much dynamic range, exposure control will redundant, and probably limited to "ranges"... like Daylight, dusk, and night... and Light Field photography will render the aperture useless. I still think there will always be the need to change lenses, and an optical viewfinder... so I wouldn't consign the SLR in some guise or another to the bin too soon.

Photographers will always want manual control though... just as car drivers will always want manual control. We're just wired like that. Anyone enthusiastic will want to do this, and there will always be people enthusiastic about photography. Having said that, I find it shocking just how much of their images people are wiling to hand over to post processing these days... so the tide will chance eventually. There will always be creative people who will not want to be creating the same stuff as everyone else, and they'll find new ways to forge a path for the sheep to follow.
 
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Mr Will said:
I'm not so certain. The smartphone has already pretty much killed off the cheap compact, but there has been something of a resurgence of enthusiast compacts (Sony RX100, Ricoh GRD, Etc). I can see there always being a market for a pocketable camera to compliment a DSLR.
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As much as anything else, I think that's manufacturers casting about to find something to do with their small camera divisions, since their consumer compact sales are disappearing into thin air. They'll not be selling those in anything like the same volumes, though.
 
MartynK said:
I don't know anyone who owns a camera other than the one built into their phone, but my family and friends all seem quite satisfied with these for their "social" photography. What's not to like? Holidays, Christmas, birthdays, pubs, clubs etc, just shoot stills and video on a device you always have with you, and share them instantly. The IQ is fine for this, and the odd print will be good at smaller sizes.
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...I find it shocking just how much of their images people are wiling to hand over to post processing these days...
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As an angler I know a lot of people who want something with which to take pictures of their catches - and I get to see their results on the interweb. The vast majority of them want something that the just point and shoot - preferably something that costs less than £100. If the light's good they can get perfectly good enough shots with their phones. Although what they find acceptable is often a blurry mess of a tiny spec of a fish in the centre of the frame - but you can always crop... They have a fear of cameras with buttons and dials. Everything is shot in JPEG and no post processing beyond cropping is ever done. Most don't even resize pics for the web. A few decide they want better pictures and buy bridge cameras or DSLRs. The results rarely improve.

I suspect this is representative of the majority of people who take photographs. The camera phone will take over that world. Enthusiasts and pros will still want a bit more, although supply and demand might make those cameras more expensive.
 
I think the mobile camera phone will put an end if not already to the compact market, but it seems from this add they are trying to add to their market, a push at the lower end DSLR market,
Who know if they will take many customers ?.
Of course the DSLR could fight back, phone in an DSLR anybody :)
 
I sort of agree with David, I'm guilty myself in not doing searches first and just diving in with a question that may have been asked a 1000 times or not read the camera manual
People are impatient, it's the way of the world but understand it can be irritating to many

However David, you teach so should be less of a sore ass :LOL:
Lov Ya
H
 
Pookeyhead said:
Make a stupid resolution phone.... encourage people to crop into the images... and reveal just how small that sensor is. Genius.

If it stops idiots from buying DSLRs and then coming on here to ask really dumb questions... more power to Nokia.
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C'mon Dave, I feel your out of order here, everyone has to start somewhere, I know some questions may seem dumb and irritating when to you (not you personally) they seem simple and logical.
JohnyT
 
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DSLR 'aint going anywhere.

Mid range, point and shoot and bridge cameras are dead though.

In the end there will be Phones and DSLR's.

We'll also be left with Two manufacturers, Canon and Nikon.
 
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The demise of 'proper' and 'good' versions of things is frequently predicted but it seems there are still pretty chunky markets for decent HiFi, turntables, Vinyl (and other hard copy music), fast/large/expensive cars, Desktops, TV's, DVD/Bluray players, Lego, (non-microwave) ovens etc. The death of something is usually a story (and that's often all it is) put out by those with vested interests in the latest alternative of course.

I feel the publicity surrounding how 'easy' it is to take pictures nowadays encourages more people to take pictures. A number of them will get enthusiastic about their photography and then be progressively less satisfied with the results and/or limitations of their phones etc. and want more. They go out and buy something better.

It's the way of things.
 
Johnytuono said:
C'mon Dave, I feel your out of order here, everyone has to start somewhere, I know some questions may seem dumb and irritating when to you (not you personally) they seem simple and logical.
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Yeah..... ignore my posts #21 and #23 then why don't you :) I've nothing against beginners asking questions. Please read these posts and put it in context.
 
for just $50 i think i'll sell all my gear and get one ;)
 
The Lumia 1020 killing the DSLR? Hah! What a joke.

We all know the Mirrorless camera will kill the DSLR. :)

But seriously, for a phone this is not bad at all. Pretty damn impressive really. I researched this phone due to its camera (and the available grip for it, for whoever joked about that above..its real. neat idea really) a while back since I have given up Android phones and moved over to WP8. Which I absolutely love btw. My little Nokia 521 has impressed me enough that I wouuld like to upgrade to a top end Nokia soon. To be able to pack the photo quality of this little 1020 around in something I will be carrying with me all the time anyway is a welcomed idea.

Check out the Nokia 1020 group on flickr. http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokialumia1020/

Scroll down past all those god awful black and white HDR trees and you will see some nice images. Like this one I favorited some time back. http://www.flickr.com/photos/112077330@N03/11858051793/in/faves-8539414@N07/ Not bad for a cell phone...

Yes there are many of the inevitable snapshot pics. But if you look around in that group there are some very compelling and interesting photography that we wouldnt have dreamed of from a phone just a few years ago.

Heres the grip btw, which has an extra battery in it as well. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...ra-Battery-for-Lumia-1020/productID.283834000
 
jamiewednesday said:
I feel the publicity surrounding how 'easy' it is to take pictures nowadays encourages more people to take pictures. A number of them will get enthusiastic about their photography and then be progressively less satisfied with the results and/or limitations of their phones etc. and want more. They go out and buy something better.

It's the way of things.
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That's probably true, but it works the other way round too. Budget level DSLRs are very popular but many people get tired of the bulk and weight, and start looking for alternatives. There have been a fair number of posts on these forums by photographers saying that they find themselves leaving the big camera at home, unless they're actually planning to use it, and buying something smaller to carry. Some choose sophisticated compacts, but the increasing capabilities of phone cameras will make some inroads into this market too, with the advantage of being communication devices that people carry all the time.

DSLRs - as we know them - will be around until the manufacturers decide that sales no longer justify continuing mass production. I'm sure they're planning for a post DSLR world now, and their marketing departments may nudge things in that direction at some point. I think the next evolution will probably involve mirrorless designs with very fast, high resolution, electronic viewfinders, but I don't know. Digital photography has come a long way in the last 15 years, and is still in its infancy. I'm 60, and I wonder what sort of gear today’s young photographers will be using when they get to my age!
 
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.... I wonder what sort of gear today’s young photographers will be using when they get to my age!
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These seem quite popular!:) (Though hopefully without the Fairy Liquid on the lens...)

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Proper camera that.
 
keety said:
DSLR 'aint going anywhere.

Mid range, point and shoot and bridge cameras are dead though.

In the end there will be Phones and DSLR's.

We'll also be left with Two manufacturers, Canon and Nikon.
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Probably not far from the truth ;) :D

Anyone interested in the latest sales figures should check out Thom Hogan's blog, he's a very good commentator on what's actually shifting. His latest update on 2013 was posted just a few days ago http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/camera-company-financials.html

Quick summary: DSLRs badly down (again). CSCs down even further (and they sell only a quarter of DSLR volumes). Compacts dead. More of the same this year :(

The big question is just how far smartphones will push upmarket. My guess is a lot further than we dare imagine, with the help of add-on lens-plus-sensor accessories like the Sony QX sweeping the middle ground (what's left of it). It's not a great outlook for any manufacturer of 'enthusiast' cameras, whether they're DSLRs or CSCs.
 
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