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Has anyone been on one ?

If so would you reccomend it I am thinking of something for the future that I can save for.
Few questions.

Rough price of a standard trip.

Who would you reccomend to go with.

How long is normal 1week/ 2 weeks . ?

Oh and what would be the minimal length lens needed iyho.

I will be after the normal big cats.

Cheers

MD
 
Been doing a lot of thinking about this for next year Dave :)

Never been myself, but next year thats going to change, depends how luxurious you are going to travel and how much you are going to let someone else take the hassle, or whether you are prepared to do a lot of it yourself. Im budgeting about 3k, have also seen good shots from point and shoot cameras, but if you can take one a 500 would be on my list as well as something shorter :)
 
we have done kruger and nyala in south africa...costly..with saga
and then
tanzania
kenya
with bales...costly but well organised...

you will have to shop around and the cost is really dependent on the level of management and accommodation

you can go tent wise cheaper...but you have to like spiders and snakes

top safari for me is nabibia...expensive

allow £1000 a week approx minimum...i just googled the safari sites for the big companies and i see the costs are getting higher
 
Off to Tanzania this Summer with the family, I got lots of good advice from Trip Advisor
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowForum-g293747-i9226-Tanzania.html

try and miss the rain

"When to Go:

Tanzania offers an astonishing diversity and concentration of wildlife, from the immense Serengeti and towering Mount Kilimanjaro to the remote national parks of Katavi and Mahale. The best months for climbing Mount Kilimanjaro are August to October and January to March. Tanzania boasts over 1,000 bird species, with Lake Manyara alone being home to more than 400. It is a year round birding destination, but at the height of the northern winter, some 160 species of migrating birds make their way south. Botanically, Tanzania is a treasure-trove, with habitats ranging from Afro-Alpine to semi-desert. The months immediately after the two rainy seasons provide the best floral displays."

courtesy of

http://www.goway.com/africa/tanzania/tanz_beforeugo.html
 
Buy some decent trainers, you will not outrun a lion but so long as you can outrun the slowest person in the group you should be ok :thumbs:

Dave, wish I could but never been on a safari, really jealous. The closest I am likely to get is the NW meet at Blackpool zoo next month. :(
 
I went to the Kruger (with my wife) last August for 12 days. It was a dedicated photographic safari, so loads of time in the field, no families, unnecessary disruption or noise, just 3 photographers + one non-tog (my wife).

A dedicated photographic safari seems to be a far better idea, as the truck we were in had access to both sides of the truck, beanbags supplied, even a dedicated worktop to rest beanbags on and to attach Wimberly heads for 500mm lens etc..

I went with www.wild4photographicsafaris.com, which was superb! The leader is extremely knowledgeable, local to the area, understands the animal behaviour to predict what might happen next, to ensure we got the best shots. Added to this, he was very patient and we came first in his priorities evey time (ie. getting us the shots we wanted.. The leader does the driving, but understands photography too, crucially, as he's a pro wildlife photographer himself and will give tuition where necessary, included in the cost of the trip). It cost me £2400 incl. all meals provided by the small family-run team (superb food!!) including packed breakfast and lunches, so that we didn't waste time coming back to camp unnecessarily. It was a full on trip, starting out each morning at 6am, getting back to camp about 5.45pm (so get got the best light early morning and late afternoon) and got great shots of the Big 5, lion kills, cheetah chasing impala.. the lot!! Perhaps we got lucky, but important thing was, we had a guide that knew his stuff to the highest degree, from both a photography and animal behaviour point of view.

You might be able to do it cheaper elsewhere with someone else, but you get what you pay for and this was worth every penny that we saved up and more.

Would thoroughly recommend this family run safari team. Also, the leader's father drove on ahead in another vehicle, with intercom, to alert us to sightings, which undoubtedly helps to ensure you get to see more. They were a great team and a lovely family to socialise with around the meal table in the evenings. Accommodation was comfortable and again with photographers in mind.. (lots of power points and adapters etc supplied free of charge), but not unnecessarily luxurious - ie. your money spent went towards ensuring quality time in the field. I'm hoping to go back again! Incidentally, for my wife (non-tog, it was £300 cheaper) as she didn't have a higher viewing seat which the photographers had. Also, we could shoot out of the open sides, no problem - ie. no having to stand up and peer through the roof, so very comfortable.. The whole design of the vehicle was for photography in mind, exclusively!

minimum lens focal length: I'd say 300mm. I took a 100-400mm zoom, plus a 500mm prime. Zoom was great for capturing vultures coming into land. Prime was great of course for the more shy, distant animals and some great close ups of detail.

To reiterate, we saw quite a number of lions and got good shots of them on carcasses, family of cheetah and a cheetah after an impala, two leopards (very lucky in the Kruger!), beautiful birds very well-worth some shots, loads of elephants, rhino, giraffe. I think 10 days minumum is recommended.



check Stu's website out at wild4photographicsafaris.com

Hope this helps?,

Dom :)
 
went to South Africa twice, and each time organised myself (I don't do other people saying I have to be here then and do this when!)

One I would recommend is here

Not cheap but bl00dy awesome.
 
ooh just found a pic of me taking a pic of a lion on their website!
 
I went last November to Masai Mara: just brilliant. We went with Virgin for 8 days, about £1600 each I recall. We had 4 days on safari and then 4 days in Mombasa. We stayed at Mara Intrepids camp which was great. The accomodation was 'tents', but they had wooden floors, tiled ensuite bathrooms with hot water, his and hers sinks, 4 poster beds etc!

The 4 days on safari were great, but 2 weeks would be quite a long time, I don't think my wife would have wanted to be there for that long just looking at animals - depends how keen you are...

The other thing is that although its an 8 hour flight (plus an hours flight to the camp) there is no jet lag as its only an hours time difference so a shorter trip is OK.

Although it wasn't a photographic safari as such the whole thing was very well set up for taking photos and the drivers and guides were hugely helpful. We went in a group of four and had the landrover to hourselves most of the time which was perfect.

I took my 40d, 10-20, 24-105 and 100-400, a few examples of photos here: http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=179824

I guess longer lenses are always nice but I never really felt the need for anything more than 400mm on a crop camera. And I got through 15gb of cards in 4 days without really trying, so take plenty of storage.

From reading about other areas since we came back (I'd love to go again) I think that the different areas can offer very different experiences so worth reading up on that and deciding what you want.

We went in the short rains, which actually worked really well; the park was super quiet, vegetation was relatively low so animals were visible, absolutely no dust whatsoever and actually only a couple of hours rain in total.

The whole trip was excellent, if you get half a chance then jump at it.

Hope that helps.
 
We've done a few safaris...following a 'once in a lifetime' trip to Namibia/Botswana and Zim in 2005 - warning Africa can be seriously addictive!
Namibia/Botswana can be expensive if you stay at the top end lodges etc, we went for camping but it meant we could stay for 3 weeks rather than 10 days, so to me it was well worth it...all in it probably cost us around 2.5-3K person.

Kenya and Tanzania are fantastic, I would recommend an organised safari though with a reputable company - the Mara/Serengeti are amazing for the big cats, I have certainly see more there than anywhere else.

We then did a self drive in Kruger last August and as it was so easy (and relatively cheap for a safari) are doing it again this August - fly via Jo'burg to Nelspruit - then hire a car and less than an hours drive on easy roads into Kruger, book basic bungalow accommodation in the camps directly with SANparks. http://www.sanparks.org/parks/kruger/
This trip is costing us well under 2K per person for 17 nights and the only costs you have while you are there are food, fuel and park fees. Getting around is easy and with a self drive you can spend as much time as you want where you want. Obviously you don't have the expert tuition etc that Dom refers to ....and his trip sounds fantastic, but depending on budget there are alternatives.

Some good advice from Dom on lenses.

My advice is if you can, just do it...life's too short! Try and stay as long as your budget allows, min 10-12 days.....I have always stayed 2-3 weeks, and it's still not long enough for me!

Btw...big cats are great, but there is a heck of a lot more amazing wildlife over there, that many people miss in their pursuit of cats e.g. the smaller creatures and birds are fabulous too!;)
 
My wife and I went to Tanzania on safari for our honeymoon in Feb 2009 and it was awesome. Can't quite remember the cost, I know it was a lot, I think it might've been over £2k once flights were included. But we were away for 21 nights, 12 on safari, 7 nights on a beach in Zanzibar, and a couple in Arusha and Stone Town. Man, it was awesome - even more so when I look outside at the rain! :(

We went with Roy Safari's who were fantastic, our guide Peter was super duper knowledgable and a great laugh, made it very special. We had a private Landcruiser which was great and I'd encourage you to try to get in a small group if possible - some of the trucks with 10-12 people in looked very cramped and would severely hamper your ability to "get the shot"

As much as I was gutted to end safari, in truth I was very tired by the end of it. After 12 (long) days solid in the truck, I really enjoyed the rest at the end - it's impossible to underestimate how bumpy it is, and you're clinging on for dear life at time! I'd said 10 days is about the perfect length.

In terms of lens length, it's hard to say - you'll always want a longer lens, but you'll be surprised how close you actually get (the animals generally aren't disturbed by the vehicles so will sit right next to it, or cruise right in front of you - it's amazingly cool literally being within touching distance of a huge African elephant or giraffe out in the wild and they're totally unperturbed! Awesome! For the "big 5" the recommendation for 300mm is probably about right. I took a 100-400 (on a 400D) which I think was perfect, but I appreciate that it's a pricey option (esp. now - it's about £300 more than when I got it!). As I say, you get very close and I certainly needed the 400mm less than I thought I would, but I still appreciated it and there were a few times I wished for longer - but even if you had 600mm you'd be wishing you had 800mm on occassion :).

How close you get depends on where you go. In the national parks, you are on a strict road around the park and it depends on how close the animals are to the road. In other areas - Ndutu conservation area - there are no strict roads and there is a criss cross of tracks going in all different directions and you can free roam (though there's arguments against that, but in somewhere like Ndutu it's impossible not to - the track will just disappear on you!) so you can get very close to the animals and that's where I got my best shots of all the big cats and our only leopard sighting.

The big 5 though is a tiny proportion of what you'll see - there's such an enormous amount and variety of wildlife it's scary - you'll be constantly twisting and turning looking at something new - giraffe, wildebeest, antelope & gazelle, warthog, hippo, tortoises, zebra, birds, so many birds! - the list goes on forever! And when you see the migration, well, just wow - literally a carpet of animals to the horizon! There are so many beautiful birds - from tiny little things to the biggest in the sky - and for that you'll be longing for more focal length. My best shot of an African fish eagle was sat on a tree on the other side of a river and I've got dust spots in the image that are bigger than him :)

Some other words of wisdom:
- try to take two cameras (a compact - I used a G9 - is fine) to have dedicated long and wide options rather than having to change lens all the time (if you're like me you'll get fed up and lazy and there's so much dust around you want to expose the sensor as little as you can)
- take something to clean the sensor. You can't take wet cleaning solution on planes, so you'll need a dry option. I used an Arctic Butterfly
- take lots of storage. I took 4 x 4Gb and some days I was close to running out of space. Now I think about it I'm not sure how - that's like 1600 shots which I'm sure I didn't do in a single day - I came back with 12000 from the 21 days. I guess I may have realised I hadn't backed up a card the previous night so one was out of action.
- take something for backup. You'll be taking a lot of shots, and you're unlikely to have enough cards to last the trip. I used a Nexto Ultra 120GB which was perfect. Get back to the tent/lodge at night, stick a card in while you have a shower, get changed, clean sensor - that was the evening routine. All washed down with a cold beer, ahhh!
- take a bean bag. You can rest it on the truck windows for stability. Some have suggested a monopod but I would find that a bit unwieldy. A tripod just won't work. Also, ask the driver to stop the engine to remove engine vibrations.
- learn some Swahili (if going somewhere that speaks it; not sure about safaris in S Africa?). Twende = go, simama = stop. There are polite versions that involve please/thanks, but Peter told us to just use those. Also, don't get them mixed up - don't go shouting "Twende! Twende!" in your excitement as you see that leopard behind you, ahem! :)
 
Hey Dave - Went to Entabeni reserve, Lakeside Lodge for a few days when I was last in SA, awesome experience. Unfortunately, this was 3 years ago, i.e. before I got into photography... if only!!
 
I've done 4 or 5 locations in Kenya in the past, I'm planning a trip to tanzania for the end of this year, looking at going to Katavi and Ruaha in small tented camps, problem is all the internal flights are looking at costing a fortune.

We're looking to do 4 days in each national park and then 4 days on the coast or on Zanzibar (this is the relaxation element for SWMBO)

cost wise you're probably looking at around £1800 for an organised tour from one of the major operators, something a bit more taliored staying in luxury camps instead of lodges will likely cost you £4000 and upwards
 
From what I have seen, prices range from about £1000 in Kenya to about £10,700 in for 7 nights in Botswana with the Big Cat Diary team (as advertised in the BBC wildlife magazine recently).

I have only ever been to Botswana, and I know prices in the Delta range from about £350 to around £1000 per person per night for the lodges, so not the cheapest option. About 6 years ago, I was quoted £700 for 4 nights on safari in the Savuti region, but that didn't include getting to Kasane (about £1500 as it was christmas - low season for safari, but high season for flights!)

In terms of camera gear, for Botswana, I would say 300mm is fine on FF on the whole. Yes, longer would be nicer at times, but equally, wider is nicer at times too. I will be going this year with my dslr for the first time, and will be taking: 17-85, 50, 70-200, 1.4x and 2x tc's. (I wanted the 300 F4 L IS, but the world cup has inflated the flight prices even a month after the final, so 4 flights have cost me an extra £1200 from last year! :gag: ) Kenya / Tanzania / Namibia / SA will probably require different focal lengths, so when you make your decision on location, people with experience of that particular location will be able to advise you better on the kit you need. I would always recomend a tripod (if you have the weight allowance), filters, plenty of memory, some way of backing the shots up and cleaning stuff wherever you go though!

The best bit of advice is to not expect to see anything in particular - remember anythign you do see is a bonus, and if you don't see the leopard / cheetah / lion / lilac breasted roller, then it gives you an excuse to go again in the future!!

it will be a trip of a lifetime which you will want to repeat again and again!
 
I was in Masai Mara last month.
There are loads of operators taking you round in minibuses which are a bit crowded but cheap. Best to ensure you have a Land Cruiser type vehicle at least.
We booked direclty with Mara Serena which included flights from Nairobi to Mara, all meals including a breakfast by a hippo pool, accommodation for 3 nights and 6 game drives over 3 days. Essentially I had to pay for beer which was not expensive. It was £1000 each but thought that was ok for 3 nights all in. The lodge was lovely and on top of a large hill so you can watch the animals walk by during the day between beers and swimming. Hard work!
The flights to Nairobi will be extra but we got these on miles. :o)
 
Did Kenya. Masai Mara etc. last September and if I remember rightly it was about £1,500 all in 8 days with Somak for one person so not that bad, South Africa is much much more expensive.

Am going again this September but doing it independantly as I have now got contacts.

Do it and pay later, you will not regret it, awesome expereince and beware you will get Kenyaitis :lol::lol::lol:

Off to Arizona in June can't wait for that one.:thumbs:
 
I first went to Africa in 2005 when a friend asked me to go to Botswana with her. And I did get addicted. Since then I've been to Tanzania, Kenya, Namibia, Zambia and Botswana (again). This year I'm off to Namibia again, but this time I'm helping out on a research project into big cats.

As others have said, how you live can greatly affect the price. I like my comforts, especially after a day in the heat and dust, so I normally stay in good lodges.

As for lenses. My first trip was with a 70-300 DO. The next three with the 100-400 and the last one with a 300 f2.8. This year I'll be packing the 100-400 again (probably). A selection of images (Namibia is still being worked on) is here.
 
Done 2 safari/beach holidays to Kenya, thats where the camera bean bags were dreamed up !!
We went second time around with a local operator booked before we arrived www.safarihitskenya.com they are very flexible and will tailor a safari to meet your needs without ripping you off.
Worth noting that if you did decide to combine a safari with beach holiday, there is some fantastic wildlife to be had right on the doorstep on the Mombasa coast Kenya.
Dean
 
Been on a couple and the prices range from reasonable to expensive.

First was a self run tour to SA. Fly to Joburg, pick up a hire car and head off to Kruger. As soon as you enter the park you are on safari! Stayed at a park bungalow (basic but fine) and spent our first sundowners on the porch, sipping lovely wine, watching the hippos bathing and hyenas scooting past us. Easy and cheap to organize and can be done on a long weekend.

Second trip (to Kenya) was in two halfs: first was wild camping in the Lewa conservancy - must be the most expensive campsite in the world (worked out at £140 a night just for the "pitch" (gotta bring your own gear))! But, without doubt, the best experience of my life (well, one of the very best). Quite simply, camping in the middle of Africa surrounded by nothing (and nobody) except wildlife. But no showers or toilets. Bring (and take) your own everything.

Second half we went to Masai Mara and stayed at the Porini Lion Camp - 5* tented resort - fantastic place. Well run, good food and good guides.

Camera wise, I bought a Panasonic FZ28 just for the trip. Photos were good enough. We preferred to immerse ouselves in the experience rather than spend time capturing it for posterity. The bridge camera was just the job - light, small, great range (28-456mm) and no lens changing.

You'll have fun whatever (and never want to see an animal caged in a zoo ever again).
 
dont go for a week....there is too much to see
 
There are all kinds of safari's and all kinds of prices. I prefer remote areas and self drive. For a small group, say four people, you can have a great photo and cultural safari for less than £2000 each in Namibia and Botswana for 3 weeks. For £1200-1500 each for maybe 10-12 days you can head to Kruger and surrounds in a saloon car. Kruger can be exceptional for viewing but also crowded at times. This would be mid range and parks accommodation and everything inclusive except flights.

You do need to decide if you are 'suited' to Africa ... it can be a culture shock to some and their reaction can either be positive or negative, so research and talk to people who've been. Most of all have a positive attitude to adventure and different kinds of people and cultures.

I've been all over Southern Africa and probably probably 80+ game drives and I still get excited thinking about it. If anyone is interested in self drive in South Africa, Namibia or Botswana and wants any advice then drop me a line. For a first time self-organised trip I'd advise going to either South Africa or Namibia. South Africa will be very expensive this year ... will get cheaper post World Cup, which is also best time to go, i.e. end August/September. I can't advise on commercial operators as I've never used any, sorry.

As to gear I'd recommend two bodies and one lens should be at least 400mm. You could also do fine with a D90 and 150-500 OS ... or equivalent body in Canon. Second group tour I organised one guy turned up with a new Canon Mk III and it lasted a day before going kaput! So, it is a risk having one body. Luckily he had a 5D as well. Most of my shots are around 400mm mark, but different parks have animals and birds closer or more distant. Some of the high end places the animals can be very close ... almost on a plate for you! I find that a bit boring, like it's staged or something. I actually enjoy animal spotting and using bino's almost as much as the photography.
 
Dave - Give me a buzz/drop me a PM and I'll talk you through my experience. We went to Tanzania for 2 weeks. It was without doubt the best holiday I have ever been on.
We paid a considerable amount of cash, but basically went entirely on our own, vehicles every day, there were just the two of us and a guide. Its costs considerably more, but it was a special trip, so I wanted to make it one to remember.
I've just paid it off, nearly 3 years later! But have shots and memories to last a lifetime.

I go very lucky and shot in some cases Cheetahs with a 50mm lens. Mostly I used a 100-400 on a crop body and then a film body for landscapes.

Some really good points in the posts above, Africa is a very special place, the reserves and parks are stunning, but prepare well and please don't think going cheap is the best way.
 
Plan it right and most places with give high rewards. Just do your research and ask lots of questions :)

mail me if you need more info on specific places.

Tom
 
We went to Kenya on honeymoon last October, it really was everything we'd imagined and more. We went with Hayes & Jarvis and it was expensive, but it was our honeymoon after all!
The Masai Mara was our favourite, although the stop at Lake Nakuru was good for Flamingos and both the black and White Rhinos but a day was enough and Amboseli was good too.

The Mara was our favourite for various reasons but mainly due to the abundance of wildlife. We saw so many different species they'd take forever to list, all in their own environment which makes it all extra special. Although a puncture 75 yards from a pride of lions was a little nervy!

As for kit, I took a 10-22, 24-70 and 100-400, all coupled to my 40D, oh and all the memory cards I own.
I used the 100-400 95% of the time although at one point I needed the 10-22 for some lions we could pretty much reach out and touch! I hand held all the time as the guide turned the engine off when we stopped. I took a bean bag with me though and it was most useful at the start and end of the day as exposures lengthened.

Lots of people talk of the dust out there, take the usual precautions and you'll be fine. Amboseli is Masai for dust though :)
 
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