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Well randomly ;) at anyone it seems. It is just being reported that their missiles now have landed in Iran.

This could escalate very rapidly if they don't improve their targeting systems. Rather concerning developments.
 
Somehow I find it very hard to belief that this and the rebellion targets are simply mistakes.

BBC was reporting from Moscow earlier and he has some very very solid support back home.
 
dejongj said:
Well randomly ;) at anyone it seems. It is just being reported that their missiles now have landed in Iran.

This could escalate very rapidly if they don't improve their targeting systems. Rather concerning developments.
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Russia and Iran are on the same side for this, I doubt there will even be an Iranian announcement to corroborate the report.
 
border_all said:
Stay out of it for a change :ty:
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If only ...............

There was video on the news last night of the Syrian rebels (that's the lot the west is supposed to supporting) firing on Syrian troops. The rebels were the usual bunch of nutters screaming all this akbar stuff every 3 seconds :banana:.

Stand back and let the Russians get on with blootering any of them.
 
I don't understand Russia. Putin seems like he has a sensible head. He's made some very good points in speeches about the west arming effectively mercenaries who fight for the side offering the most money.

Then they go and do something daft.
 
neil_g said:
I don't understand Russia. Putin seems like he has a sensible head. He's made some very good points in speeches about the west arming effectively mercenaries who fight for the side offering the most money.

Then they go and do something daft.
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Perhaps because the west take no notice and setup sanctions against him
 
neil_g said:
I don't understand Russia. Putin seems like he has a sensible head. He's made some very good points in speeches about the west arming effectively mercenaries who fight for the side offering the most money.

Then they go and do something daft.
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Syria is a Russian ally and pretty important to Russia with regard to their Mediterranean base. Russia is never going to allow Assad or secular Syria to fall without a fight.
 
neil_g said:
Doesn't seem to be any suggestion they were fired at iran, they have to fly over IRan to get to Syria so likely a failure of some sort?
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More than likely, the original reports said Russia had permission from Iran and Iraq to fire over their territory.
 
Dave1 said:
Syria is a Russian ally and pretty important to Russia with regard to their Mediterranean base. Russia is never going to allow Assad or secular Syria to fall without a fight.
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That's why the West should listen he has shown in Ukraine he will use force and we demonstrated we are not keen unless it's a NATO signaturary
 
hes spoiling for a fight, he knows what hes doing.
 
we and the americans have been known to do that sort of thing too - it wasn't that long ago that the US accidentally hit a chinese embassy (I can't recall exactly where that was - Edit google tells us it was in belgrade in '99) , while all sides have had the occasional blue on blue
 
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Russia has it's own problems. No better way to get attention away from your own failings than to have a nice war.
 
What I don't get is why we don't like Assad? Surely we should be supporting him v IS and he has been pretty stable as a leader until recently? Why are we so keen to get rid of him - ok, he probably rules with an iron fist, but how is that different to many countries there or in Africa?
 
cambsno said:
What I don't get is why we don't like Assad? Surely we should be supporting him v IS and he has been pretty stable as a leader until recently? Why are we so keen to get rid of him - ok, he probably rules with an iron fist, but how is that different to many countries there or in Africa?
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If you see the dubious company he keeps its no wonder we want him out of power ;).

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cambsno said:
What I don't get is why we don't like Assad? Surely we should be supporting him v IS and he has been pretty stable as a leader until recently? Why are we so keen to get rid of him - ok, he probably rules with an iron fist, but how is that different to many countries there or in Africa?
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Syria was a functioning democracy (of sorts, by Middle East standards), until 2010, when the Arab Spring started. The US in particular wanted their "New World order", which meant "democracy" for the whole region - puppet governments was what they really wanted.
Syria always has had close links to Russia and Iran, and the US wanted to see Assad overthrown to break those links to two nations which it despised.
In backing the Syrian opposition, the US has inadvertently (or not?) backed radical Islamic groups including Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front and of course ISIL (which started as a result of the Iraq war).

2002 seems such a long time ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2576613.stm

Priceless quote

"The British view is that Syria, under its new, young, president is changing, and is seeking to engage more closely with the West.
There is now said to be increased liaison between Britain and Syria in the fight against al-Qaeda and international terrorism."

By our actions (US/UK) we have actually empowered the Islamic terror groups such as Al Qaeda in Syria.
 
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andy700 said:
Syria was a functioning democracy (of sorts, by Middle East standards), until 2010, when the Arab Spring started. The US in particular wanted their "New World order", which meant "democracy" for the whole region - puppet governments was what they really wanted.
Syria always has had close links to Russia and Iran, and the US wanted to see Assad overthrown to break those links to two nations which it despised.
In backing the Syrian opposition, the US has inadvertently (or not?) backed radical Islamic groups including Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front and of course ISIL (which started as a result of the Iraq war).

2002 seems such a long time ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2576613.stm

Priceless quote

"The British view is that Syria, under its new, young, president is changing, and is seeking to engage more closely with the West.
There is now said to be increased liaison between Britain and Syria in the fight against al-Qaeda and international terrorism."

By our actions (US/UK) we have actually empowered the Islamic terror groups such as Al Qaeda in Syria.
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See, I am thinking while he may not be a great guy, better to have him than someone else!
 
Dave1 said:
I presume the UK has decided it wants more bastions of democracy, human rights and enlightenment like our wonderful friend, Saudi Arabia in the Middle East...
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Yes, exactly. I have never quite managed to figure that one out.
 
andy700 said:
Yes, exactly. I have never quite managed to figure that one out.
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You will if the lights go out and you can't buy petrol for your car.

And on the Russia bombing folk thing... in the cold war days the Russians repeatedly told us westerners that they were no threat to us and that the real threat to us all was Islamic fundamentalism. Maybe it just took us in the west longer to realise it.
 
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woof woof said:
You will if the lights go out and you can't buy petrol for your car.

And on the Russia bombing folk thing... in the cold war days the Russians repeatedly told us westerners that they were no threat to us and that the real threat to us all was Islamic fundamentalism. Maybe it just took us in the west longer to realise it.
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You will be able to buy petrol for your car. N. Sea oil can provide that. However, don't waste money filling up because there will be no rubber for tyres, tarmac for roads and as for plastic things - they will be damned rare/cost a lot.. Are there really still people at large who do not know why we are friends with the Saudis ............ It's because we bloody well have to be !!! Hobson's choice and all that. The UK government know that and the Saudi's know that.

You see, the trouble with Russian involvement in Syria is actually extremely simple. We, in the west, do not want Putin & co. making a complete hash of the place. That is our job. We have the skills and experience to make a bigger and better hash than the Russians could dream of.
 
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big soft moose said:
we and the americans have been known to do that sort of thing too - it wasn't that long ago that the US accidentally hit a chinese embassy (I can't recall exactly where that was - Edit google tells us it was in belgrade in '99) , while all sides have had the occasional blue on blue
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It was even more recently they intentionally bombed a hospital.
 
arclight said:
You see, the trouble with Russian involvement in Syria is actually extremely simple. We, in the west, do not want Putin & co. making a complete hash of the place. That is our job. We have the skills and experience to make a bigger and better hash than the Russians could dream of.
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Bit harsh I think. I do loathe the view that the US and its lap dog are responsible for every tragedy in the world as it is just possible that the peoples of the middle east and indeed other places will carry on killing and raping and generally creating hell on earth no matter what "we" do and indeed they'd probably be doing so if we never existed. How about a little responsibility being taken in the troubled parts of the world... for example my GF is Thai, Thailand has real problems in the south and no oil and not a CIA or MI6 opperative in sight.

Syria is a tragedy but IMO it's a made in the region tragedy and not one easily blamed on the old and easily hated US and UK unless the blame is for relative inaction.
 
at last it looks like a biblical prophesy might actually get enacted ,,all the aggressive nations of the world are all gathered together to fight a evil force pretty close to the plains of armageddon .it only takes one mistake to escalate into a proper war ,who ends up fighting who is the problem .. whatever you do don't read "down to a sunless sea " it scares the poo out of me every time something like this happens
 
woof woof said:
, Thailand has real problems in the south and no oil and not a CIA or MI6 operative in sight.
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And you know this how ? Do the CIA and MI6 notify your girlfriend before they enter her country ? ( America has been heavily involved with thai politics since the days of the vietnam war, so the chances are that the CIA aren't operating covertly are fairly small , but the whole meaning of covert is that the general populace don't know)
 
the black fox said:
at last it looks like a biblical prophesy might actually get enacted ,,all the aggressive nations of the world are all gathered together to fight a evil force pretty close to the plains of armageddon .it only takes one mistake to escalate into a proper war ,who ends up fighting who is the problem .. whatever you do don't read "down to a sunless sea " it scares the poo out of me every time something like this happens
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I'd rather a war there than a fight on the north german plain tbh
 
the black fox said:
at last it looks like a biblical prophesy might actually get enacted ,,all the aggressive nations of the world are all gathered together to fight a evil force pretty close to the plains of armageddon .it only takes one mistake to escalate into a proper war ,who ends up fighting who is the problem .. whatever you do don't read "down to a sunless sea " it scares the poo out of me every time something like this happens
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Excellent,that would put the VW debacle and the plastic bag whinge into proportion,people do like to complain about f***all.
 
arclight said:
You see, the trouble with Russian involvement in Syria is actually extremely simple. We, in the west, do not want Putin & co. making a complete hash of the place. That is our job. We have the skills and experience to make a bigger and better hash than the Russians could dream of.
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I dunno the Russians have made a substantial hash of Chechnya and more recently in Ukraine , plus they made a complete cock of Afghanistan for much of the 1980s , although not as much of a cock as we made of it in the late 1800s and early 1900s
 
The ignobels should do a peace prize for warmonger/hapless meddler of the year.
 
woof woof said:
You will if the lights go out and you can't buy petrol for your car.

And on the Russia bombing folk thing... in the cold war days the Russians repeatedly told us westerners that they were no threat to us and that the real threat to us all was Islamic fundamentalism. Maybe it just took us in the west longer to realise it.
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This^
I've mentioned it before...

Who was backing and praising 'the glorious mujahideen' for standing up to the communists?

Meddling in the Middle East takes an intelligence not coloured by politics, unfortunately we're not that bright. :(

Those of us who didn't back the 2nd Iraq war were a small minority, seen to be Lilly livered and unpatriotic, it's amazing how it's become such a popular view with hindsight. :p
 
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