Rugby World cup 2015 thread

Great game, we have to live with the decisions made.
No point in complaining about the last decision- we shouldn't have given away the first penalty, or the second...

Now, who to support...
 
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Can't always blame the ref when the decision doesn't go your way. Don't forget he was the only one who spotted the knock on and disallowed one of the Aussie try's. Would have been easy to miss it. The home nations just can't put these type of matches away. Wales have come up short several times against the Aussies in the last five minutes. Take heart from the improvement the Scots have made in the last 12 months
 
I thought Ireland would beat Argentina, and confidently predicted last weekend that Australia would murder Scotland. :exit:
Think I'll just watch from now on, and keep away from speculation.
 
Australia's man of the match has been selected...
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with thanks to Rugby Banter :)
 
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Nigel Owens for the final? Would love it to be South Africa v Argentina!
 
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What a dreadful decision, but thats easy to say when you see the replay in slo-mo, quite why Jubert did'nt use the TMO is baffling to say the least, instead he backs himself for what must be the first time in the tournament and stuffs up big style!! what odds would you get for him ref'ing the final :rolleyes:
 
mex said:
What a dreadful decision, but thats easy to say when you see the replay in slo-mo, quite why Jubert did'nt use the TMO is baffling to say the least, instead he backs himself for what must be the first time in the tournament and stuffs up big style!! what odds would you get for him ref'ing the final :rolleyes:
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It's not so much the dreadful call. These things happen in any sport at any level. But to my mind the cowardly way he almost ran from the pitch at the end without shaking hands speaks volumes
 
At last, a Roger Quittenton for the 21st century. Joubert's name will live on for ever more.
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quite why Jubert did'nt use the TMO is baffling to say the least
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If you're referring to the final penalty decision, the answer is that he couldn't use the TMO. He can only check with the TMO for tries or foul play, so offsides and accidental offsides and knock-ons aren't in scope.

On the other hand, he could and should have checked with the TMO for the late hit on Stuart Hogg just a minute or so earlier. Why he didn't then is baffling to say the least.
 
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Every ref makes mistakes and you just have to suck it up. Wales against SA the ref gave 2 penalties against Wales that left a few people scratching their heads as to why. Ref gave two penalties to Scotland in the scrum that the guys in the commentary box thought should have gone the other way. Don't see anyone complaining about the decisions he got wrong that went Scotland's way.

it was a great game and it was great to see Scotland show how they really can play when the mood takes them but you can't just pick and choose which decisions you don't like and bleat about it.
 
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Every ref makes mistakes and you just have to suck it up. Wales against SA the ref gave 2 penalties against Wales that left a few people scratching their heads as to why. Ref gave two penalties to Scotland in the scrum that the guys in the commentary box thought should have gone the other way. Don't see anyone complaining about the decisions he got wrong that went Scotland's way.

it was a great game and it was great to see Scotland show how they really can play when the mood takes them but you can't just pick and choose which decisions you don't like and bleat about it.
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no doubt. But as I said a couple of posts above

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. But to my mind the cowardly way he almost ran from the pitch at the end without shaking hands speaks volumes
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that baffled people. Not the decision itself. His behaviour immediately afterwards is whats called into question. Thats what most people questioned. He was the first man to Twickenham station after the match
 
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At a guess, he was scared for his life! Very few jobs can get you lynched for making an honest mistake but his is one and he made such a mistake. However, had the decision been a scrum, the Australians might have scored a try rather than a penalty - correct call but a heavier defeat for the Scots. (Please note the might in he previous sentence!)
 
It will be sad if rugby goes the way of football and refs start to suffer harassment as a result of perceived injustices.
 
Personally the more grievous and clear error was in not awarding a penalty for the take out prior to the line-out. That to me was a clear penalty while watching live. The penalty following the line out was an error, but not so obvious.
 
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It will be sad if rugby goes the way of football and refs start to suffer harassment as a result of perceived injustices.
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He's getting a bit of a slating on Twitter. More for the speed he left the pitch at the end then anything
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Seems it may have done so already.
 
Nod said:
At a guess, he was scared for his life! Very few jobs can get you lynched for making an honest mistake but his is one and he made such a mistake. However, had the decision been a scrum, the Australians might have scored a try rather than a penalty - correct call but a heavier defeat for the Scots. (Please note the might in he previous sentence!)
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Its a rugby crowd. Not football. Physical violence is pretty rare and the crowd at Twickenham was pretty true to form last night. For Brett Gosper to suggest Joubert left the pitch so fast because he 'needed a wee' is just insulting. Sorry for the daily fail link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ru...tch-following-controversial-penalty-call.html

Its the way he left the pitch, not the decision to award the penalty that may or may not have been right thats causing the furore
 
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Its a rugby crowd. Not football. Physical violence is pretty rare and the crowd at Twickenham was pretty true to form last night.
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Thankfully any sort of violence (off the pitch) is very rare where ever you go, in the 35 years or so of following rugby, I can hand-on-heart say that I have witnessed no more than 3 ding-dongs in the crowd and all of them were either Safers or Aussies arguing between themselves.
 
Pretty rare or completely unknown? Needed a wee? I reckon he was pooing himself!

IMO (and that of an international cricket umpire friend), instant replays are more of a curse than a boon, especially when they're relayed to the crowd as well as any off-field officials.

A few quotes from that DM article...

By Tuesday morning a petition on Change.org to 'Ban Craig Joubert from Scotland for life' had received more than 1,500 supporters.
(TUESDAY morning???)

'Someone threw a bottle at him, didn't they?' Cheika said. 'I'd be racing off, too, if someone threw a bottle. I don't think that's funny. I think I saw a bottle go on the field - what is that?

Very unfortunate, especially for the Scottish players but s*** happens and life goes on.
 
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Pretty rare or completely unknown? Needed a wee? I reckon he was pooing himself!
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Pretty rare. Saying its unknown in that big a crowd would be foolish.Off the field I don't think I've witnessed more then 3 or 4 ding dongs. Normally a cross word and then an apology and handshake. There was a rumour one of the volunteer stewards was beaten up after asking someone not to wee in a locals garden. But thats about the extent of it. From living down the road the crowds for rugby matches are very un threatening. To the point I'm happy to take my 7 year old. The only issue I've had from 8 years of living here was I drunk fan vaulting my fence for a p*** and landing on his face.

I don't believe he was pooing himself. Or felt threatened. I just can't see why he didn't follow the normal tradition of shaking hands with both teams. But only he can explain that. Not what the Aussie coach may, or may not have seen.
 
Not sure what sort of behaviour he's used to in SA. As you say, only he knows why he did what he did. As for a bottle being thrown, I did see some (more than one) lobbed towards the Argentinians as they were taking a victory lap.
 
Rugby crowds are generally very well behaved. If the ref felt intimidated enough to scarper like he did then maybe he should consider a change of career.

Also, IMO the only officials who think TMO type replays are a bad thing are the ones who can't handle being proved wrong. Thankfully they are in a minority and most see it as a good thing.
 
Had a day to get over it and concluded that Scotland lost it in not securing their own line out ball before end- couple of ref decisions poor but taking their own line out and then rucking till 80 would have avoided the issue

They still played some great rugby and with a bit more control in the opposition half could have won easily
 
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Officialdom has now come out and confirmed the award of a penalty was the wrong decision! :arghh: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34576756
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Doesn't really matter now, although for what it's worth I think issuing that statement publicly is poor judgement. It can't change anything and while He should account for leaving the field as he did, a review into his performance should be in private
 
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Ditto.

It's a real pity Scotland went out on such a downer though. We could have and should still have a home nation team to get behind, which is a damn shame.
 
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ZoneV said:
Ditto.

It's a real pity Scotland went out on such a downer though. We could have and should still have a home nation team to get behind, which is a damn shame.
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Oddly enough, it has happened at other RWC's, eg Jason Robinson's try that was deemed no try against SA in the final and Sam Warburton's red card against France in the semi-final. It is really tough at the time and we all bleat on about it, but there is quite simply nothing that can be done about it, a shame the ref can't be cited! as they say we need to, 'deal with it'.
 
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Oddly enough, it has happened at other RWC's, eg Jason Robinson's try that was deemed no try against SA in the final and Sam Warburton's red card against France in the semi-final. It is really tough at the time and we all bleat on about it, but there is quite simply nothing that can be done about it, a shame the ref can't be cited! as they say we need to, 'deal with it'.
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I'm not a huge rugby fan and can't argue the finer points of the laws of the game, but I think it has to take account of actually having a TV referee sitting there with the technology at hand. I understand that he is not allowed to intervene even though he will/may have seen this being a wrong call, plus the event was replayed on the big screen for all to see just as the penalty was being taken. Acknowledging the fact that Joubert was wrong may lead to a widening of the TV ref role, so I think that justifies the action by World Rugby.
 
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I'm not a huge rugby fan and can't argue the finer points of the laws of the game, but I think it has to take account of actually having a TV referee sitting there with the technology at hand. I understand that he is not allowed to intervene even though he will/may have seen this being a wrong call, plus the event was replayed on the big screen for all to see just as the penalty was being taken. Acknowledging the fact that Joubert was wrong may lead to a widening of the TV ref role, so I think that justifies the action by World Rugby.
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Respect for the referees, players and fans always has been a big deal in rugby. Which is one of the reasons the statement from world rugby has surprised me so much. I can't see it doing anything beyond undermining that resect.

You may have a point about widening the use of TMO. But I don't see why that couldn't be discussed in private. To my mind though widening use of TMO breaks the game up too much.
 
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