Road Rage Stories

Well that's hard luck - hardly your fault in the least. Are the police going to deal with it?
 
foodpoison said:
Overexposed, I understand where you're coming from.

Inexperience leads to mistakes leads to accidents.
Young drivers = Inexperienced.

I do believe that is the sole reason for the insurance premium being high. Irrelevant of age. Please think carefully when using the term 'young drivers'. I think a more fitting term is 'new drivers'.

Also I don't like the opinion you have that if someone stops to have a go it's usually because I'm doing something wrong, quoted here:



Why would someone punch me in the middle of the street after Southampton when I was just asking him to leave my friend alone? People react over the slightest of things, such as being a little too close for his liking for all of 15 metres.

Just because I'm a younger driver, and he was an older (albeit more experienced) driver, please don't take his word for it. What a horrific society we'd live in where people were believed dependant on their age. If I'd have not disclosed my age or even hinted that I was a newer driver, I wonder what you may have thought then?

Don't take this the wrong way buddy, I'm not trying to show hostility (I know how easy it is to misinterpret someone online) but my point is this: I'm a new driver (I've been driving for 2 and a half years), I've had an accident that was not even close to being my fault, and I understand I'm more likely to make a mistake under pressure than someone who is far more experienced, but try not to condemn me for it. Give me the benefit of the doubt.
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Glad you weren't hurt in your in your earlier experience.

I'm not and never have accused younger drivers of being prats merely that statistically they are more likely to have accidents ( Im not suggesting for one minute that your recent experience is your fault!). Its difficult to say New Drivers because a New 50 year old driver is likely to be a lot more cautious than a new 20 year old driver. Its not ageism and i would have guessed from your initial post you were a younger driver.

If you drive a lot you will soon realise that its not clever to treat every journey as a race as its just foolish, stressful and tiring and its better you treat every other road user as a potential hazard ,give them space and drive at your own pace that way you avoid trouble. A good example is if you use the roads , particularly motorways outside rush hours and holidays then you are sharing it with other professional experienced drivers, people who are driving 100 200 miles a day they drive to survive and are not just popping 10 miles home from work treating the road like a personal race track. As a result you get better lane discipline, quicker jouneys and less stress - go on the roads at weekend its bunched up no lane discipline so on its awful.

A lot ( not all) of the comments here say BMW and Audi drivers are bad, agressive etc I think a lot of these comments are fueled by jealousy or aspiration as we'd all like one, the badges do attract idiots i agree but I stand by my comment that no one stops for no reason regardless of what they drive - its all too easy to get a bit close , push a bit too hard or just be a little too aggressive - if you dont invade their space you wont get a reaction!

Its better to get where your going without incident believe me than treating every car journey you have as a tour of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan - why take the risks - If i see a crap / dangerous driver I avoid them like the plague not drive up their backsides remonstrating with them its just not worth it why add to the statistics - Road Rage is basically just immaturity and a lack of self control, if you cant control yourself you shouldnt be driving as your car is a lethal weapon a lot of people still think driving is like playing on your Xbox , trouble is on the roads your actions have consequences- consequences that affect both you an others !
 
Overexposed said:
Glad you weren't hurt in your in your earlier experience.

I'm not and never have accused younger drivers of being prats merely that statistically they are more likely to have accidents ( Im not suggesting for one minute that your recent experience is your fault!). Its difficult to say New Drivers because a New 50 year old driver is likely to be a lot more cautious than a new 20 year old driver. Its not ageism and i would have guessed from your initial post you were a younger driver.

If you drive a lot you will soon realise that its not clever to treat every journey as a race as its just foolish, stressful and tiring and its better you treat every other road user as a potential hazard ,give them space and drive at your own pace that way you avoid trouble. A good example is if you use the roads , particularly motorways outside rush hours and holidays then you are sharing it with other professional experienced drivers, people who are driving 100 200 miles a day they drive to survive and are not just popping 10 miles home from work treating the road like a personal race track. As a result you get better lane discipline, quicker jouneys and less stress - go on the roads at weekend its bunched up no lane discipline so on its awful.

A lot ( not all) of the comments here say BMW and Audi drivers are bad, agressive etc I think a lot of these comments are fueled by jealousy or aspiration as we'd all like one, the badges do attract idiots i agree but I stand by my comment that no one stops for no reason regardless of what they drive - its all too easy to get a bit close , push a bit too hard or just be a little too aggressive - if you dont invade their space you wont get a reaction!

Its better to get where your going without incident believe me than treating every car journey you have as a tour of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan - why take the risks - If i see a crap / dangerous driver I avoid them like the plague not drive up their backsides remonstrating with them its just not worth it why add to the statistics - Road Rage is basically just immaturity and a lack of self control, if you cant control yourself you shouldnt be driving as your car is a lethal weapon a lot of people still think driving is like playing on your Xbox , trouble is on the roads your actions have consequences- consequences that affect both you an others !
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Very true and well said :thumbs:
 
foodpoison said:
.... as I am on the roundabout, I have right of way, and they must give way.
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This is actually not right. There's no law that says you should give way to vehicles from your right at roundabouts. It's merely advice given in the Highway Code which most sensible drivers observe, but there's no specific offence, although failure to observe the advice of the Highway Code can be used as evidence to support another offence, e.g. 'Due Care' which should certainly be the outcome of your shunt.

In practice, I'm sure most of us observe the 'give way to the right' rule while seeing plenty of people every day who don't. It's the same with the lane markings on the approach to roundabouts and on the roundabut itself - they're purely advisory.
 
Not aimed at anyone ... but I feel that one of the biggest problems is the way some drivers feel the need to accelerate at every possible opportunity? ... roundabouts being a perfect example, traffic lights another :shake: It's fairly easy to judge a constant speed, but not so when someone just puts their foot down when it's totally pointless ... :cuckoo:
 
I think anyone going around a roundabout certainly has more right of way than someone joining the roundabout!

The person joining the roundabout 'must' give way to the person who is already coming around the roundabout.
 
Koolpc said:
I think anyone going around a roundabout certainly has more right of way than someone joining the roundabout!

The person joining the roundabout 'must' give way to the person who is already coming around the roundabout.
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Very true! but what about defensive driving? ...
 
Splog said:
Not aimed at anyone ... but I feel that one of the biggest problems is the way some drivers feel the need to accelerate at every possible opportunity? ... roundabouts being a perfect example, traffic lights another :shake: It's fairly easy to judge a constant speed, but not so when someone just puts their foot down when it's totally pointless ... :cuckoo:
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I quite agree - you should never accelerate towards traffic lights on green, but you see people doing it all the time with the result that if the lights change they have to brake violently to stop, or just jump the lights, with the latter seeming to be the preferred option.

Even dafter ist he amount of people you see still accelerating towards lights on red with traffic already waiting there. They must get through a few sets of brake linings! :cuckoo:
 
I wonder how many Senna wannabees slow down when they have children, I sure as hell did.

FTR ....I have had some serious cars, Integrales,Ferrari and Twin cam SC lancias/Fiats/Alfas. Children make sensible people slow down.

The main problems are the lack of the three shuns.............:)

Anticipation

Consideration

Concentration.

IMO..........:)
 
fracster said:
I wonder how many Senna wannabees slow down when they have children, I sure as hell did.

FTR ....I have had some serious cars, Integrales,Ferrari and Twin cam SC lancias/Fiats/Alfas. Children make sensible people slow down.

The main problems are the lack of the three shuns.............:)

Anticipation

Consideration

Concentration.

IMO..........:)
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Too much Italian stuff happening there :lol: ever tried an Interceptor or Stag? :D
 
LOL Why is it that the car which cuts you up on roundabouts, junps lights on red, and weaves in and out in traffic always seems to have a 'Baby On Board' sticker in the back window? :D
 
Splog said:
Too much Italian stuff happening there :lol: ever tried an Interceptor or Stag? :D
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Good God, I had a Stag, it lost that much oil that you never needed to change it........:lol:

Awful car, but they can be sorted out now, lovely car, just awful build quality.
 
Koolpc said:
I think anyone going around a roundabout certainly has more right of way than someone joining the roundabout!

The person joining the roundabout 'must' give way to the person who is already coming around the roundabout.
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Almost - but you're also supposed to always drive at a speed at which you can safely avoid sudden and unexpected occurrences...
In this case, perhaps going onto a roundabout at 30mph was a bit too fast. The other driver should have stopped as the traffic in the right-hand lane blocked his view of oncoming cars already on the roundabout. However since two lanes enter the roundabout, it follows that the roundabout itself is two lanes wide and perhaps the other driver had an expectation that the lane he was attempting to join was clear (although he was wrong to do so).
Had Foodpoison been going slower there would have been an increased liklihood that he could have avoided the other vehicle by moving to the right. But not at 30mph...

Since one is required to give way, you should be approaching a roundabout with a view to stop if necessary, meaning in most cases you should be down to 2nd gear by the time you're ready to join.
Many roundabouts now have wooden 'blinds' placed to the right of drivers, forcing them to come to a virtual halt before continuing onto the roundabout, so it's enough of a problem that local authorities are having to take remedial action...

Sorry about the Focus though - however, the upside is that you can trade-up to an RS...:thumbs:
 
Splog said:
Some people just never learn ... :shake:




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CT said:
Well that's hard luck - hardly your fault in the least. Are the police going to deal with it?
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They've reported the other driver for careless driving.

Overexposed said:
Glad you weren't hurt in your in your earlier experience.

I'm not and never have accused younger drivers of being prats merely that statistically they are more likely to have accidents ( Im not suggesting for one minute that your recent experience is your fault!). Its difficult to say New Drivers because a New 50 year old driver is likely to be a lot more cautious than a new 20 year old driver. Its not ageism and i would have guessed from your initial post you were a younger driver.

If you drive a lot you will soon realise that its not clever to treat every journey as a race as its just foolish, stressful and tiring and its better you treat every other road user as a potential hazard ,give them space and drive at your own pace that way you avoid trouble. A good example is if you use the roads , particularly motorways outside rush hours and holidays then you are sharing it with other professional experienced drivers, people who are driving 100 200 miles a day they drive to survive and are not just popping 10 miles home from work treating the road like a personal race track. As a result you get better lane discipline, quicker jouneys and less stress - go on the roads at weekend its bunched up no lane discipline so on its awful.

A lot ( not all) of the comments here say BMW and Audi drivers are bad, agressive etc I think a lot of these comments are fueled by jealousy or aspiration as we'd all like one, the badges do attract idiots i agree but I stand by my comment that no one stops for no reason regardless of what they drive - its all too easy to get a bit close , push a bit too hard or just be a little too aggressive - if you dont invade their space you wont get a reaction!

Its better to get where your going without incident believe me than treating every car journey you have as a tour of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan - why take the risks - If i see a crap / dangerous driver I avoid them like the plague not drive up their backsides remonstrating with them its just not worth it why add to the statistics - Road Rage is basically just immaturity and a lack of self control, if you cant control yourself you shouldnt be driving as your car is a lethal weapon a lot of people still think driving is like playing on your Xbox , trouble is on the roads your actions have consequences- consequences that affect both you an others !
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I just don't get it. This isn't well said at all, it's patronising (especially considering the plentiful use of 'you') and this is my only reply to it.
Yes, a 50 year old new driver is likely to be more cautious, but they're still just as likely to have as many accidents, just from different things - hesitating being one of them.
I've been skiing since I was 3. I am extremely experienced in comparison to almost everyone on the piste. I could go down as fast as I liked without risk of injury to myself or others.
My mates who have just started skiing and are the same age as me are quite likely to have an accident as they're inexperienced and a bit cocky. They'll learn from their mistakes and fingers crossed don't collide with anyone. I may have to teach them the rules of the piste a few times before they reach a plateau.
My Mum is a new skier, too. She's just started and she's 50. She's really nervous, and because she's nervous and unpredictable she's quite dangerous to other piste users as she doesn't show the same body language as other, less nervous skiers do and so therefore her movements can't be predicted. She's very cautious and usually goes very slowly down the slope, but she regularly catches an edge and falls over, sometimes injuring herself. Sometimes she'll ski into the back of someone because she can't stop in time. And don't even get me started on her confidence when there's a bit of fog.

CT said:
This is actually not right. There's no law that says you should give way to vehicles from your right at roundabouts. It's merely advice given in the Highway Code which most sensible drivers observe, but there's no specific offence, although failure to observe the advice of the Highway Code can be used as evidence to support another offence, e.g. 'Due Care' which should certainly be the outcome of your shunt.

In practice, I'm sure most of us observe the 'give way to the right' rule while seeing plenty of people every day who don't. It's the same with the lane markings on the approach to roundabouts and on the roundabut itself - they're purely advisory.
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I'm just going by what the 3 Police officers and 1 Traffic officer at the scene told me, followed by what my insurance company confirmed.
 
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Arkady said:
Almost - but you're also supposed to always drive at a speed at which you can safely avoid sudden and unexpected occurrences...
In this case, perhaps going onto a roundabout at 30mph was a bit too fast. The other driver should have stopped as the traffic in the right-hand lane blocked his view of oncoming cars already on the roundabout. However since two lanes enter the roundabout, it follows that the roundabout itself is two lanes wide and perhaps the other driver had an expectation that the lane he was attempting to join was clear (although he was wrong to do so).
Had Foodpoison been going slower there would have been an increased liklihood that he could have avoided the other vehicle by moving to the right. But not at 30mph...

Since one is required to give way, you should be approaching a roundabout with a view to stop if necessary, meaning in most cases you should be down to 2nd gear by the time you're ready to join.
Many roundabouts now have wooden 'blinds' placed to the right of drivers, forcing them to come to a virtual halt before continuing onto the roundabout, so it's enough of a problem that local authorities are having to take remedial action...

Sorry about the Focus though - however, the upside is that you can trade-up to an RS...:thumbs:
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The car came out of nowhere, straight into my side. Moving to the right would have done nothing.
 
foodpoison said:
I'm coming towards the roundabout, the roundabout is clear and so I enter the roundabout doing 30mph, I'm going straight on..............

...........he was in the left, the stopped cars were in the right) and bolts out onto the roundabout, straight into the side of me, doing about 45mph.
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How was the other driver's speed judged to be 45mph because that is VERY fast to be whipping up the inside lane passing stationery traffic and joining a roundabout.

Looking at the photos, he clearly did run into the side of you putting him more at fault, but I wouldn't expect to encounter a car doing 30mph on a roundabout.

I've been skiing since I was 3. I am extremely experienced in comparison to almost everyone on the piste. I could go down as fast as I liked without risk of injury to myself or others.
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This is a ridiculous thing for you to say, but doesn't surprise me.

It is impossible to predict what others might do on the slopes whether they are a beginner suddenly losing control or a reckless skier/snowboarder who could appear very fast from apparently nowhere. Sometimes the actions of others make a collision unavoidable, no matter how skilled you think you are..... pretty much like in a car, as you have discovered.
 
foodpoison said:
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They've reported the other driver for careless driving.



I just don't get it. This isn't well said at all, it's patronising (especially considering the plentiful use of 'you') and this is my only reply to it.
Yes, a 50 year old new driver is likely to be more cautious, but they're still just as likely to have as many accidents, just from different things - hesitating being one of them.
I've been skiing since I was 3. I am extremely experienced in comparison to almost everyone on the piste. I could go down as fast as I liked without risk of injury to myself or others.
My mates who have just started skiing and are the same age as me are quite likely to have an accident as they're inexperienced and a bit cocky. They'll learn from their mistakes and fingers crossed don't collide with anyone. I may have to teach them the rules of the piste a few times before they reach a plateau.
My Mum is a new skier, too. She's just started and she's 50. She's really nervous, and because she's nervous and unpredictable she's quite dangerous to other piste users as she doesn't show the same body language as other, less nervous skiers do and so therefore her movements can't be predicted. She's very cautious and usually goes very slowly down the slope, but she regularly catches an edge and falls over, sometimes injuring herself. Sometimes she'll ski into the back of someone because she can't stop in time. And don't even get me started on her confidence when there's a bit of fog.



I'm just going by what the 3 Police officers and 1 Traffic officer at the scene told me, followed by what my insurance company confirmed.
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Sean
The 'you' is a generalisation not aimed at you, substitute 'one' if you want to!

I'm also a skier and in a way you've answered you own point your Mum is cautious because she knows what could go wrong - you on the other hand fly along because you think you are invincible and that you can avoid any trouble through your ability - what happens when something unexpected and unplanned happens? You'd rather show off and ski too quick for the conditions instead of skiing to avoid trouble in the first place. It makes me mad the number of people you see hooning along like this on blues not thinking about beginners - it just doesnt happen on reds.

At 21 you (This is the royal you not aimed at Sean) think you are always right -its always someone else who is wrong !!! Start driving (and skiing) defensively and you might just see a lot less of the incidents you are talking about !As i said before your actions have consequences not just to you but to others too! Realise this and you will have taken a big step in growing up and taking responsibility!!
 
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chip said:
How was the other driver's speed judged to be 45mph because that is VERY fast to be whipping up the inside lane passing stationery traffic and joining a roundabout.

Looking at the photos, he clearly did run into the side of you putting him more at fault, but I wouldn't expect to encounter a car doing 30mph on a roundabout.



This is a ridiculous thing for you to say, but doesn't surprise me.

It is impossible to predict what others might do on the slopes whether they are a beginner suddenly losing control or a reckless skier/snowboarder who could appear very fast from apparently nowhere. Sometimes the actions of others make a collision unavoidable, no matter how skilled you think you are..... pretty much like in a car, as you have discovered.
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Good point and well made
 
I've decided not to retaliate, after posting some replies. I've realised that whatever happens in your life, and whoever you tell on the internet, there's always going to be someone there to sit on the other side of the fence and poke you and tell you you're wrong. I think I'm pretty sick of it on this forum. I remember when this forum was small and people genuinely helped me out with things and didn't argue about petty things but now it's like flickr with a bad attitude. I'm gonna leave this to die now. ciao.
 
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Sean ... You really should read your own posts! You always come across as overly sure of yourself, your own ability, skill, knowledge etc, always seem to believe it's always someone else's fault ... in other words overly confident, yet lacking experience! ....... You really are an accident waiting to happen :shake: ... No offence intended :thumbs:

Edit: This was in response to the original post, not the edited one!
 
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Sean
If you read your posts everyone is about how great your skill is - you actually typify why young drivers have so many accidents - you just dont know when to back off!
I really really hope that you think a little about whats been written here and hope some of it sinks in. No one is perfect but if you go looking for trouble you tend to find it or it finds you.
It was your wing this time and it wasnt your fault - just think though if it had been 20 mph on the roundabout and not 30mph he wouldnt have hit you!
if you seriously hurt yourself or worse in a road accident its noy going to affect me - but it will affect your family! Dont they deserve a little more consideration?
I'll leave that thought with you bud!
Stay safe!
 
I'm going to add one thing to this.

Every time you have an incident on the road, be it an exchange of paint or a close call, learn from it.

It's very easy to say 'It wasn't my fault' and carry on driving as you always have.

Each time something happens on the road that causes you to take evasive action - or indeed an accident - each time you get it wrong as yourself what you could have done differently to avoid that.
Even when it is someone else that is at fault, there are often things you can do that would have avoided or at least prepared you for the incident.

Sean, you strike me as someone who likes to be good at what you do. Have a read up on defensive driving - maybe even do an advanced driving course. Obviously I can't say for certain - but it is possible that your accident (or a future one) could have been avoided by driving defensively.
 
CT said:
Even dafter ist he amount of people you see still accelerating towards lights on red with traffic already waiting there. They must get through a few sets of brake linings! :cuckoo:
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While learning my theory it was always emphasized that a good driver is off the accelerator a good while before needing to use the brake, in situations like this. If you've nowhere to go, why accelerate? :shrug:
 
trencheel303 said:
While learning my theory it was always emphasized that a good driver is off the accelerator a good while before needing to use the brake, in situations like this. If you've nowhere to go, why accelerate? :shrug:
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ah well, you see - it's FUN...:thumbs:
 
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