'Requirements' for county council to use photo for promotion?

MWHCVT said:
I'm sorry but what a load of rubbish if ever I've heard one, if it's cost the council hundreds of pounds to process an invoice they have bigger problems that paying for a photo,
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When i worked for a council we were told it cost £11.80 to fully process an order number from issuing through to receipted invoice - and that was for manual processing (in fact the figure was given as part of the justification for going to SAP/SRM automated processing which alledgedy reduced costs to 0.89 per order - although that didn't take into account the front line officer time in using the hateful thing)
 
jerry12953 said:
. But if the photographer gives their images away to a business or organisation which stands to profit from that gift, then they are having the wool pulled over their eyes.

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That's nonsense, and rather rudely underestimates people's intelligence.

People are quite capable of being in possession of all the facts, and still making the decision to not charge for their image.
It doesn't make them gullible, it doesn't make them stupid.
 
big soft moose said:
When i worked for a council we were told it cost £11.80 to fully process an order number from issuing through to receipted invoice - and that was for manual processing (in fact the figure was given as part of the justification for going to SAP/SRM automated processing which alledgedy reduced costs to 0.89 per order - although that didn't take into account the front line officer time in using the hateful thing)
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Ah now those figures are much more logical, though I did have a discussion once with a company that we did a lot of business with when they sent me an invoice for the sum total of 22p for an o ring on one of our pressure washers..with the cost of the invoice and posting it that lost them about 70p on that o ring given that it cost at the time 30p just in postage :lol: :lol:
 
MWHCVT said:
I'm sorry but what a load of rubbish if ever I've heard one, if it's cost the council hundreds of pounds to process an invoice they have bigger problems that paying for a photo, out of interest where do you draw that line as to where you start to charge...oh they need to get a new door hung at a property, it's going to cost £200 should the council not have to pay this? How does that carpenter keep his bills paid? It has nothing all to do capitalism or libralism
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My comment was tongue in cheek, hence the smiley at the end. .........Obviously councils are not the bureaucratic wasters of money I thought they were. :)

Anyway, the OP has probably got the idea now that there are different views about this which are not about to change so I will stop arguing for the sake of it now :)
 
viv1969 said:
That's nonsense, and rather rudely underestimates people's intelligence.

People are quite capable of being in possession of all the facts, and still making the decision to not charge for their image.
It doesn't make them gullible, it doesn't make them stupid.
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I'd Just like to point out that I didn't use the words gullible or stupid.
 
jerry12953 said:
I'd Just like to point out that I didn't use the words gullible or stupid.
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No, but IMO "having the wool pulled over their eyes" suggests a degree of gullibility and being duped, as if a person can't make the clear and informed decision to allow their photographs be used foc.
 
Well it got quite heated in here while I was gone...:eek: I would have been quite happy to go with the 'kudos' (is that such a bad thing?) but do take on board how difficult it can be for those making a living out of photography with so many more options open to businesses, especially with photography on social media. I mentioned those concerns in my email to the council along with my requirements on copyright/editing issues. I asked what they might have spent on the stock images they have used previously in this campaign and also said I'd be happy with payment in lieu (tickets to leisure facilities for me & my kids perhaps) as a 'thank you'. I received a swift reply offering a payment of not quite £50, but not far off. More importantly to me the email made it clear that they really wanted that image, rather than having contacted loads of people on flickr with the hope of a freebie. So an interesting experience all round - just thought I should update you all on the outcome.
 
That's great to hear - and it is a few pounds towards a new lens - or even a nice night out with a decent meal or something similar... They get the image - you get some recognition - both parties are happy - and you've got something extra in your pocket for something you'd already photographed... Well done.
 
Good result and well done for not giving in.

Unfortunately (depending on your tax circumstances) the government will probably want to get their greedy mits on some of that lol but good on you for making them pay something. Great feeling, isn't it?!
 
EdwardL said:
Good result and well done for not giving in.

Unfortunately (depending on your tax circumstances) the government will probably want to get their greedy mits on some of that lol but good on you for making them pay something. Great feeling, isn't it?!
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'Not giving in' suggests some sort of fight, which it wasn't - I hadn't even thought of asking for money, but some of the posts on here made me rethink a little. As for the tax, ...they're welcome to it. (Does that make me a 'left leaning liberal' @brman ;) ). Though how you go about declaring less than £10...:confused:! But yes, it does feel good that someone wanted the shot enough to pay for it :) Thank you!
 
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Congratulations on your sale Emma. Sounds like everyone is a winner :-)
 
Emja said:
Well it got quite heated in here while I was gone...:eek: I would have been quite happy to go with the 'kudos' (is that such a bad thing?) but do take on board how difficult it can be for those making a living out of photography with so many more options open to businesses, especially with photography on social media. I mentioned those concerns in my email to the council along with my requirements on copyright/editing issues. I asked what they might have spent on the stock images they have used previously in this campaign and also said I'd be happy with payment in lieu (tickets to leisure facilities for me & my kids perhaps) as a 'thank you'. I received a swift reply offering a payment of not quite £50, but not far off. More importantly to me the email made it clear that they really wanted that image, rather than having contacted loads of people on flickr with the hope of a freebie. So an interesting experience all round - just thought I should update you all on the outcome.
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The "not quite £50.00" is exactly what I get paid per image. :) Though I do offer a sliding scale if they take several images.
In my terms I state what they can be used for, and for how long. (As they usually have a limited shelf life, I offer them "In perpetuity"...makes me sound a bit more generous.)
At the bottom I say something like "Images not to be distributed, re-sold or syndicated to third parties. Please refer any inquiries back to the photographer."
Yes, flattery and kudos does give you a warm, fuzzy feeling at first but, for me, that soon gave way to a feeling of being insulted when they thought that by blowing smoke up my bum they could maximise their profits from my work.
 
Well done Emma. I agree with Graham (above) that if it's not too late there should be at least one condition on the sale - that the image is not made available to third parties.

So many people misunderstand these days what "buying" a photograph means. It normally means that they can use it for an agreed purpose and for a limited period of time. It does NOT mean that they can then go ahead and loan it or sell it to someone else. This is the basis of copyright - it is something that the photographer automatically owns once the picture has been taken and the photographer has the right to state how it is used and by whom.
 
Emja said:
'Not giving in' suggests some sort of fight, which it wasn't - I hadn't even thought of asking for money, but some of the posts on here made me rethink a little. As for the tax, ...they're welcome to it. (Does that make me a 'left leaning liberal' @brman ;) ). Though how you go about declaring less than £10...:confused:! But yes, it does feel good that someone wanted the shot enough to pay for it :) Thank you!
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you can (and strictly should) register for self assessment and declare casual income on your tax return, whether you bother for a one off is up to you - but if it starts being more than a one off you probably should
 
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