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For once i'm in ful agreement with Brash - he wants shooting in the b*****ks with a paslode
Edit : the offender I mean, not Brash
Edit : the offender I mean, not Brash
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Oh cheersFor once i'm in ful agreement with Brash - he wants shooting in the b*****ks with a paslode
Edit : the offender I mean, not Brash
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yep - I guess the prison officers will 'accidentally' leave his prison door unlocked, so that an armed robber can show him the error of his ways with a sharpened tooth brush
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Personally I'd stick him in a torpedo tube, take it to max depth and Fire him into oblivion, that said likely if he ends up in general population in prison it's likely he'll not last all that long...
It's a truly horrendous crime, if I had a shred of decency left in him he'd top himself...
It's cases like this that make it very hard not to support vigilanty or corporal punishment
It's a truly horrendous crime, if I had a shred of decency left in him he'd top himself...
It's cases like this that make it very hard not to support vigilanty or corporal punishment
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yes exactly
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yep - if it had become known while he was still serving that could have happened
I did hear of a case - I think in the USN -where a sailor caught with nonce porn "accidentally" caught his penis in a slamming hatch "obviously it was an unusual accident sir and none of us saw anything"
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Yep I can believe that, in fact I'd believe he managed to do it several times too
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shortly before having an unfortunate fall down a companionway ladder no doubt
He can think himeslf lucky he didnt tragically fall overboard whileholding an anchor
He can think himeslf lucky he didnt tragically fall overboard whileholding an anchor
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I think the words utter ****ing **** do an admirable job
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Can I mention shooting in the face perhaps? Or is that too kind?
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So Muslim clerics preaching hate and violence are terrible, yet you can all pronounce the same judgement on someone and that's ok? Double standards or is this the start of sharia law that st4 suggests, or maybe just the current trend to escalate comments on forums to show how righteous and 'correct' you are.
The crimes this person has committed are terrible, and I can understand the anger, but we as a civilised community have laws with punishments that must be adhered to.
The crimes this person has committed are terrible, and I can understand the anger, but we as a civilised community have laws with punishments that must be adhered to.
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Nonces deserve what's coming. Hard working British citizens don't.
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No double standards with me.......anyone preaching hate and violence is wrong and should be treated by the letter of the law..and unfortunately our law does not have the death penalty.... I believe in the death penalty for certain crimes.....and this is one of the crimes which should be on the list.......and unlike the "Muslim clerics" that you refer to, I am not preaching hate and violence nor do I believe that any of the other TPers are posting hate related preachings.......it is mere opinion by a group of people who are outraged by this monsters actions........
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So has he been sentenced yet? The only regret I have with our legal system is that we are now paying for this coward.
The bad news is, he is not the only one, many more out there...I wonder whether it is as bad in other countries as it seems to be in the UK...
The bad news is, he is not the only one, many more out there...I wonder whether it is as bad in other countries as it seems to be in the UK...
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It is more than the Rotherham Muslim Grooming gang got for their sustained abuse of many more children
That was a feckin disgrace also......I have no time for child molesters and rapists........nor should these sick #!
!!##/== get a feckin easy jail sentence........at the very least rock breaking in Siberia
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Of course you'll see nothing wrong in what you've said, much the same way as everyone is s great driver, it's everyone else is at fault.
My point is, it's fine to discuss the sentencing, the leniency, perhaps even the reintroduction of the death penalty for certain offences or chemical castration, but there's posts on here suggesting violent acts against a British citizen. So where's the dividing line? Is it because they are foreign and black, or have a different religion, or suggesting it against several people rather than one. Does that really make a difference to those misguided preachers inflaming hatred?
Where is the limit. Is this just reserved for child molesters, what about other crimes? Once you start going down the route of suggested violence and hatred, where do you stop.
There's todays thought for the day
My point is, it's fine to discuss the sentencing, the leniency, perhaps even the reintroduction of the death penalty for certain offences or chemical castration, but there's posts on here suggesting violent acts against a British citizen. So where's the dividing line? Is it because they are foreign and black, or have a different religion, or suggesting it against several people rather than one. Does that really make a difference to those misguided preachers inflaming hatred?
Where is the limit. Is this just reserved for child molesters, what about other crimes? Once you start going down the route of suggested violence and hatred, where do you stop.
There's todays thought for the day
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Sentencing guidelines: http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk...ffences_Definitive_Guideline_content_web1.pdf
Do sex offenders get the chance of parole after 50% of sentence?
We had one try to get employment with our company. The mistake he made was living in my area so I knew who he was, remembered the story. A motorola employee who had around 20 computers in his bedroom providing child porn images to others. Served 4 years in jail.
Fair play to our boss, I intercepted him before the interview and he calmly kept him in the interview until he admitted falsifying his CV, that it was him, then escorted him off the premises. Took over an hour and he made him feel very uncomfortable and tried to leave a couple of times, but my boss just kept asking awkward questions.
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Where is the limit. Is this just reserved for child molesters, what about other crimes? Once you start going down the route of suggested violence and hatred, where do you stop.
There's todays thought for the day
I'd say pre medidate murder, murder in the act of committing robbery/rape, all rape crimes. Basically the US Texan system. It's a good one.
Skin colour/race/religion/affinities it matters nothing to me.
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Which then brings up another interesting angle, so that guy did serve his time. Or is there a mob rule which determines that after serving someone should have a further public sentence.
I don't agree with any of that. If we want this changed that it should be done by changing the law opposed to taking matters in our own hands.
I don't agree with any of that. If we want this changed that it should be done by changing the law opposed to taking matters in our own hands.
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Yup but ignore the colour aspect and look at the basics
On the one hand you have someone standing up, suggesting to others that violence against british citizens is acceptable and the correct approach.
On the other hand you have a few people on this thread suggesting a similar approach.
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I agree. The law isn't right but should be harder in dealing with murders, armed robbers, nonces, terrorists etc. Death sentences or life in jail. Like the US system.
I never said the perp should be shot in the face by the TP justice mob, but I think the government should do it or legal channels exist to kill those guilty of those depraved crimes.
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You've been told god only knows how many times, murder in the UK is already a life sentence. Yes, you may get out after 25-30 years, but misbehave and its back to prison. The same as happens on any early release.
In the US, life doesn't always mean you spend until your last breath eating porridge, nor does it mean that in most European Countries.
Sentences are decided by Judges in accordance with sentencing guidlines. They hear the evidence and the aggravating as well as mitigating facts. You don't, so you can't comment on why the sentence in this case is less than the maximum allowed in law.
Should we have a death sentence? I used to be for it, now IU am not. Should we allow vigilantes? No. The crime they commit is murder, the very thing you suggest should be more harshly punished. So what Byker says is quite right. If you want murder, or any crime punished by death, then DIY justice must be equally punished.
As for this specific case, he's been caught, he's banged up, so for at least the next 8 years he'll not be harming anyone. Once he's out, he'll be monitored, and if he misbehaves he'll be back in pokey. Like it or not, thats the Justice system.
You've been told god only knows how many times, murder in the UK is already a life sentence. Yes, you may get out after 25-30 years, but misbehave and its back to prison. The same as happens on any early release.
In the US, life doesn't always mean you spend until your last breath eating porridge, nor does it mean that in most European Countries.
Sentences are decided by Judges in accordance with sentencing guidlines. They hear the evidence and the aggravating as well as mitigating facts. You don't, so you can't comment on why the sentence in this case is less than the maximum allowed in law.
Should we have a death sentence? I used to be for it, now IU am not. Should we allow vigilantes? No. The crime they commit is murder, the very thing you suggest should be more harshly punished. So what Byker says is quite right. If you want murder, or any crime punished by death, then DIY justice must be equally punished.
As for this specific case, he's been caught, he's banged up, so for at least the next 8 years he'll not be harming anyone. Once he's out, he'll be monitored, and if he misbehaves he'll be back in pokey. Like it or not, thats the Justice system.
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Possible only 8 years and you wonder why we are so pi**ed.... those kind of crimes are just disgusting, like i said initially, words just can't convey how sick it is.. It's also pretty well known that guys that do this kind of thing don't change, for some reason they either don't see the bad in it or can't help themselves, either way to be let out and 'supposedly' monitored is not a fair justice
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Which he probably will...best to prevent that happening by having sentencing guidlines that make that a physical impossibility either by death or life in jail.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/romney-marsh/news/serial-armed-robber-jailed-for-25721/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ker-strikes-80-miles-away-open-jail-held.html
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/merseyside-police-trying-locate-murderer-7136688
Current policy of serving sentence on licence. Doesn't work, puts the public in danger. Life in jail and death sentences don't.
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Cg Girl.
I presume you mean annoyed, not drunk. Americanisms are so ambiguous, so if you'd like to continue in English please?
His release date is if he responds to treatment and accepts restricts is likely to be around 8 years. If he doesn't, he'll stay inside for the full sentence. On release he will be subject to very close monitoring, so if you're right and he shows any leanings back, he'll be nicked and end up back inside. But like Steve you are trying to fortell the future.
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Have you got a crystal ball? How do you know what's in the future? You don't, so all you're doing is inventing your own story. How do you know he's going to re offend? You don't do you?
So having got that out of the way, you can produce what 3 examples of you saying something 'doesn't work'. How many people are out on license at the moment? Don't know do you? How many are recalled to prison and how many are returned? Don't know do you?
Of those how many are recalled to prison for similar serious offences? Don't know do you?
Your justifications are therefore based on guesswork. When you have an evidence based argument, then come back.
I presume you mean annoyed, not drunk. Americanisms are so ambiguous, so if you'd like to continue in English please?
His release date is if he responds to treatment and accepts restricts is likely to be around 8 years. If he doesn't, he'll stay inside for the full sentence. On release he will be subject to very close monitoring, so if you're right and he shows any leanings back, he'll be nicked and end up back inside. But like Steve you are trying to fortell the future.
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Have you got a crystal ball? How do you know what's in the future? You don't, so all you're doing is inventing your own story. How do you know he's going to re offend? You don't do you?
So having got that out of the way, you can produce what 3 examples of you saying something 'doesn't work'. How many people are out on license at the moment? Don't know do you? How many are recalled to prison and how many are returned? Don't know do you?
Of those how many are recalled to prison for similar serious offences? Don't know do you?
Your justifications are therefore based on guesswork. When you have an evidence based argument, then come back.
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The difference is that they are preaching hate and violence against people who havent done anything wrong - this f***wit on the other hand rapes children for recreation
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Come on now Bernie, when has knowledge of facts, or lack thereof, ever stopped certain "members" passing judgement?
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No, I am acting on a risk and punishment based thinking.
The offence is a grave one. For such a sick offence an 8 year stretch behind bars is a joke. The type of offence, if committed again would ruin someones life. The type of criminal that does this has severe issues, combined with the life changing effects on any potential future victim of this crime is IMHO too risky to have such an individual ever on the streets - on licence or not