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OK. I just invested £16 in a radio remote trigger and thought I'd experiment using my 20D and my 10-22 behind the goal at the next home match. There's only about a meter between the back of the goal and the barrier in the stands, so I sort of hoped to place the camera on a mini tripod about half way, set the focus to manual and hope for the best. I just wondered if anyone can offer a bit more advice about this sort of thing.

I guess there's a bit of risk to the camera/lens but assuming the home fans are nice and don't chuck tea over it, and it doesn't get hit by a ball, it should be OK. Any other thoughts? Or am I just nuts? :thinking:
 
When placing your camera pull back on the net to make sure your camera is far enough away should the ball hit the net.
 
Something that I was thinking about doing myself when I get around to buying some RF602's, although at £16 that might be a good stop gap option.


Hmmmmmm. You've got me thinking now! :D

Edit - which triggers did you get and from where?
 
Carol, if your worried about tea and other liquid's being thrown over the camera/lens, why not put a plastic bag over your setup.
 
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DemiLion said:
Something that I was thinking about doing myself when I get around to buying some RF602's, although at £16 that might be a good stop gap option.


Hmmmmmm. You've got me thinking now! :D

Edit - which triggers did you get and from where?
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several people on here use rf602s for remote cameras. Just search it on ebay, and pick one with your camera in the title. Comes with a trigger cable for your camera. Standard tripod seems to be the manfrotto 709, great little thing.

Pull the back of the net out to make sure that the ball can't reach your camera as it flies through the net. Sure someone who shoots sports will be able to advise as to where to focus... I'd assume the goal line?
 
I'd be interested in what triggers these are too?

Thanks in advance.
 
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dont have one myself but have been at plenty of games where they are used and agree with little john pull the net back and dont put the body bang in the middle but towards the corner then if the ball comes towards the corner and the keeper dives and misses great shot !
 
blue marlin said:
dont have one myself but have been at plenty of games where they are used and agree with little john pull the net back and dont put the body bang in the middle but towards the corner then if the ball comes towards the corner and the keeper dives and misses great shot !
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Ah, but which corner? :lol: Do they normally go left or right?
Thanks for the hints. Will definitely test the net. There's not a huge amount of space. Plastic bag might be just the thing, too.
Here's what I thought I'd try
http://www.amazon.co.uk/meters-Chan...83OI/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1297268344&sr=8-7
Not another match until next Tuesday. Hopefully the thing will turn up by then.
 
itsdavedotnet said:
several people on here use rf602s for remote cameras. Just search it on ebay, and pick one with your camera in the title. Comes with a trigger cable for your camera. Standard tripod seems to be the manfrotto 709, great little thing.

Pull the back of the net out to make sure that the ball can't reach your camera as it flies through the net. Sure someone who shoots sports will be able to advise as to where to focus... I'd assume the goal line?
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Yup I know about the camera remote, hence the stop gap comment! :)

I was going to wait for a bit to get some, but having had a decent chat with Trevor at Cotswold I might step up the time sale a touch!! :D
 
Regarding the "focus" issue...at 17mm focal length, on a 30D (1.6 crop) body, I focus at 2m which is roughly on the goal-line.

The depth of field at f/4 would be from 1.3m focus distance to 4.4m focus distance, so you should therefore be able to get reasonably sharp images from the back of the net forward to where the keeper is.
 
jamesb84 said:
Regarding the "focus" issue...at 17mm focal length, on a 30D (1.6 crop) body, I focus at 2m which is roughly on the goal-line.

The depth of field at f/4 would be from 1.3m focus distance to 4.4m focus distance, so you should therefore be able to get reasonably sharp images from the back of the net forward to where the keeper is.
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thanks, James. I'll bear that in mind.
 
Well, it turned up today. Younguo, wonderful Engrish instructions. I'll play with it later. I just got my camera equipment insured with Aaduki in case the worst should happen! I feel a little nutty right now.
 
Haha, excellent...I'm probably going to be upgrading to the Phottix Atlas (or the Calument clone) from the RF602 soon, so if you're wanting to make a quick transition upwards, then I should imagine mine will be FS...
 
Hi James. I'll bear that in mind. I'll try Tuesday, but I imagine the light might be against me shooting at f4 on a 20D. The next Saturday match might be a better test. I tried it out at home, seems to work but I think I'll next an extra hand at the match! I'll hope for a penalty shot. I thought of draping it with a high viz to try to avoid the trip hazard.

AAduki seemed very helpful, btw. Sold me semi-prof so I can 'sell' images and still be covered, gives me cover abroad and from the car.
 
Anyone got any views on exposure?

20D set up with a Sigma 15-30, MF @ 15mm f/4 approx 2m for hyperfocus, triggered with a 602 on top of the short lens camera.

I was thinking Av ISO 800/1600, or does anyone go for M?
 
If the light is changing, I'd set your shutter speed as a priority. I dont think the 20D allows the ISO to expand to achieve the desired shutter speed so set the ISO high enough to get you a good sharp shot in the worst lighting that you think you'll have at that game. The camera can then vary the aperture accordingly (and more DOF is a good thing in this situation if the light is good).

If you use Av, you'll keep the aperture but if your ISO is too low you'll end up with a v.slow shutter speed and motion blurred pictures.

Better a sharp but grainy shot than a blurry mess that's got no noise.
 
Dunno about Mark, but my club's floodlights gives a fairly good light around the goal, so hopefully something might be do-able. Would love to get something like your rugby shot - but realistically that's improbable! We'll see ...
 
Tobers said:
If the light is changing, I'd set your shutter speed as a priority. I dont think the 20D allows the ISO to expand to achieve the desired shutter speed so set the ISO high enough to get you a good sharp shot in the worst lighting that you think you'll have at that game. The camera can then vary the aperture accordingly (and more DOF is a good thing in this situation if the light is good).

If you use Av, you'll keep the aperture but if your ISO is too low you'll end up with a v.slow shutter speed and motion blurred pictures.

Better a sharp but grainy shot than a blurry mess that's got no noise.
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I know this may sound like sacrilege but I'm seriously considering using Sports Mode with MF. It uses Auto ISO shift whilst attempting to keep the speed above 1/500 (or there abouts).

Photodiva said:
Dunno about Mark, but my club's floodlights gives a fairly good light around the goal, so hopefully something might be do-able. Would love to get something like your rugby shot - but realistically that's improbable! We'll see ...
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Floodlights? I wish!! :D

I'm shooting a version of Sunday League in the mornings and the juniors in the afternoon, so light is almost always natural (the juniors have training lights for the worst case scenario).

My plan for a remote this weekend was foiled by a very simple factor:

The back of the net was being pinned down by the players kitbags on the Refs instructions, and the neighbouring sideline was too close. I'll try next time as I'd like to get a bit of variety.

Not the best conditions, but anything to earn a crust!! :lol:
 
Looks like it might be p**ing down tonight, in which case I shall be leaving the remote job until the weekend and hope for better! :(
 
Photodiva said:
Looks like it might be p**ing down tonight, in which case I shall be leaving the remote job until the weekend and hope for better! :(
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Sainsburies plastic bag over the camera should do the job!
 
Well, it was raining in the first half so abandoned my attempt until the second half, and was surprised just how little time there was to get it sorted out. The lads behind the goal were quite supportive, esp when I showed them what I hoped to capture. but in the final rush to set it up, I think I forgot to put it on manual focus! Anyhow, it didn't work as expected. So just got one test shot. I'll have another go on Saturday, weather permitting. The orange Sainsburys bag worked a treat, btw. I missed capturing a goal this way (fume!) but there's always next match.
Here's the test shot, 17mm f4 1/250 at high iso on the 20D. Guessed the focus at 2m for this, since the 10-22 doesn't have a marker for 2m. Perhaps it needs to go wider? Any thoughts?
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Photodiva said:
Well, it was raining in the first half so abandoned my attempt until the second half, and was surprised just how little time there was to get it sorted out. The lads behind the goal were quite supportive, esp when I showed them what I hoped to capture. but in the final rush to set it up, I think I forgot to put it on manual focus! Anyhow, it didn't work as expected. So just got one test shot. I'll have another go on Saturday, weather permitting. The orange Sainsburys bag worked a treat, btw. I missed capturing a goal this way (fume!) but there's always next match.
Here's the test shot, 17mm f4 1/250 at high iso on the 20D. Guessed the focus at 2m for this, since the 10-22 doesn't have a marker for 2m. Perhaps it needs to go wider? Any thoughts?
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My thoughts would be that you need to angle the camera upwards a bit, perhaps so that the bottom of the net is right at the bottom of the frame, I tend to try and get the frame so that if your keeper makes an acrobatic save, it'll be captured... (see: HERE)

Also, if you've got a 10-22...why use it at 17mm? I'd be using it at 10mm!! Get as much in as possible. You will definitely need it on MF though, otherwise your trigger will just be causing it to hunt for focus!
 
thanks James. I wondered if 10mm would over-distort, but it would probably fit the whole thing in. Blinkin hard to get the angle right, its right on the floor - and the lcd on the 20d is too small. I set it up, took a pic, picked it up to get a better look, then, doh! had to reposition it on the floor and hope I'd changed it! Obviously, not enough. Silly me forgetting to check I'd switched the button. Will try again on Saturday, weather permitting and see what happens.
 
jamesb84 said:
My thoughts would be that you need to angle the camera upwards a bit, perhaps so that the bottom of the net is right at the bottom of the frame, I tend to try and get the frame so that if your keeper makes an acrobatic save, it'll be captured... (see: HERE)

Also, if you've got a 10-22...why use it at 17mm? I'd be using it at 10mm!! Get as much in as possible. You will definitely need it on MF though, otherwise your trigger will just be causing it to hunt for focus!
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I second what james says angle upwards and come out on the zoom, get closer to the net just check by tugging the net to make sure the ball cannot send your body flying should it fly towards your setup, looking at the pic your almost there - also to think about is where you will place it in either corner placed at an angle or go for straight down the middle -
 
Just a thought about protection...... How about putting a strong cardboard box like an apple box and putting the camera in that? it weighs nothing and will stop most things thrown at it..
 
we11ingon said:
Just a thought about protection...... How about putting a strong cardboard box like an apple box and putting the camera in that? it weighs nothing and will stop most things thrown at it..
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For one thing, its extra to carry about! I talked to the supporters behind the goal, they seemed to understand about not chucking stuff, and with a plastic bag I think it ought to be reasonably OK. The ball went nowhere near it so I'm hopeful for the future. I just hope I can get the remote to work as expected.
 
Cardboard also absorbs water whereas plastic doesn't! :)
 
Having watched this thread have you seen the pic of the orient equaliser against Arsenal in the papers today? Just what you were trying to capture I would imagine
 
sorry link didnt work - in the sun and on bbc - google orient equaliser
 
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