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Windows 10 users! From 14 October, Microsoft will no longer offer fixes, new features or security updates.
 
your missing this bit.....security updates. none of them so if a vulnerability is identified it may not get patched, are you happy with that?
 
Mr Bump said:
your missing this bit.....security updates. none of them so if a vulnerability is identified it may not get patched, are you happy with that?
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nope not missing it at all, MS only released patches after the whole world knew about the vunerability anyway so I trust my seperate security software. Ex IT hardware engineer, service support manager for a large multinational company managing service support contracts with UK Gov as well as large corporations across multiple software platforms around the globe so very aware of how it works :)
 
At a site, where I worked for several months, there was a large sign that more or less covered the wall and had obviously been printed on a full sized matrix printer.

It read: "Under no circumstances apply any updates to the Windows operating system on your machine without the express instructions of the security team!"

Now that's what I call a scream of anguish ...
 
My faves have more recently been Mint cinnamon and Solus. Q4OS has also worked well, and ditton plain Debian, although non-free software (i.e. DVD playback, videos etc) is trickier with that, requiring some hunting for codecs.
 
Since Windows got its co-operative Linux mode, I no longer need a separate machine for the Linux things I still run.

The only problems I now have are the gotchas between OS-X's commands and those in the Ubuntu system. Still, wouldn't life be boring if all the operating systems shared the same commands and they actually worked in the same way... :exit:

Office desk with several screens Voigtlander 15mm 10.JPG
 
Rincewind said:
good, then being as its pretty damn stable now - I won't get pushed updates that make changes i don't want :)
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I've got a computer that was still running Windows 7 and it's been perfectly fine. Unfortunately, there can be a downside which I experienced when the browsers versions were stuck quite far back, which seemed to be ok until suddenly some online software I use had updated to make use of the latest browser versions, so now the software wouldn't paginate or display properly, spanning all over the screen and being unusable.

I tried to upgrade to Windows 11, but the MB didn't support it, I so ended up replacing the computer. I kind of feel like I've been forced into upgrading.
 
gman said:
I've got a computer that was still running Windows 7 and it's been perfectly fine. Unfortunately, there can be a downside which I experienced when the browsers versions were stuck quite far back, which seemed to be ok until suddenly some online software I use had updated to make use of the latest browser versions, so now the software wouldn't paginate or display properly, spanning all over the screen and being unusable.

I tried to upgrade to Windows 11, but the MB didn't support it, I so ended up replacing the computer. I kind of feel like I've been forced into upgrading.
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Win 7 my most favoured win version - I only upgraded when forced to to win 10 - its better than the others but still not an honest choice by me, a forced upgrade rather than a choice. but having seen win11 thats not somewhere i will willingly go if I can avoide it at all.
 
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gman said:
I've got a computer that was still running Windows 7 and it's been perfectly fine. Unfortunately, there can be a downside which I experienced when the browsers versions were stuck quite far back, which seemed to be ok until suddenly some online software I use had updated to make use of the latest browser versions, so now the software wouldn't paginate or display properly, spanning all over the screen and being unusable.

I tried to upgrade to Windows 11, but the MB didn't support it, I so ended up replacing the computer. I kind of feel like I've been forced into upgrading.
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A bit late now, but there are ways of upgrading to win11 on unsupported MB.

There are a number of YT videos showing how. I have done a few for friends and family without any issues.
 
sep9001 said:
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A bit late now, but there are ways of upgrading to win11 on unsupported MB.

There are a number of YT videos showing how. I have done a few for friends and family without any issues.
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I researched into it and it seemed like I would have to buy a hardware module for the MB. There might have been other ways around it, but to be honest as it was built by a local store (was an urgent rush) and they used the cheapest components possible, it wasn't really worth the effort.
 
gman said:
I researched into it and it seemed like I would have to buy a hardware module for the MB. There might have been other ways around it, but to be honest as it was built by a local store (was an urgent rush) and they used the cheapest components possible, it wasn't really worth the effort.
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Yep, understand. But for anyone else looking at this thread you don’t need any additional hardware. The install process by passes the but it checks for.

You may need to get a new Win11 license but apart from that the process has been straightforward.
 
Yes you can easily install W11 on unsupported hardware using RUFUS install which just turns off the checks

To install Windows 11 using Rufus, you'll first need to download the Windows 11 ISO file and Rufus itself. Then, use Rufus to create a bootable USB drive with the ISO file, potentially bypassing hardware restrictions if needed. Finally, boot from the USB drive on the target computer and proceed with the Windows 11 installation.

Steps to install Windows 11 with Rufus:

  1. Download Windows 11 ISO: Obtain the Windows 11 ISO file from the official Microsoft website.

  2. Download and Launch Rufus: Download the latest version of Rufus from its official website and run the application.

    • Select USB Drive: Plug in your USB drive and select it within Rufus.
    • Select ISO Image: Click the "Select" button and choose the downloaded Windows 11 ISO file.
    • Choose Image Option: In the "Image option" dropdown, select "Standard Windows Installation".
    • Partition Scheme: Select the appropriate partition scheme (GPT or MBR) based on your target computer's UEFI or BIOS settings.
    • Target System: Choose the appropriate target system type (UEFI (non CSM) or BIOS or UEFI (CSM)).
    • Volume Label: Give your USB drive a descriptive name.
    • Start: Click "Start" to begin creating the bootable USB drive.
    • Bypass Options (Optional): Rufus will likely present options to bypass Windows 11's hardware requirements (TPM, Secure Boot, RAM, etc.). Choose these if your target computer does not meet the requirements and you want to proceed with the installation.
    • Complete the Process: Rufus will format the USB drive and copy the necessary files.
    • Boot from USB: Insert the USB drive into the target computer and restart it.
    • Enter BIOS/UEFI: Access the BIOS/UEFI settings (usually by pressing Delete, F2, or F12 during startup).
    • Set Boot Order: Change the boot order to prioritize the USB drive.
    • Install Windows: Save the BIOS settings and the computer will boot from the USB drive, initiating the Windows 11 installation.
    • Follow Instructions: Follow the on-screen instructions to install Windows 11, including selecting your language, time zone, keyboard layout, and user account options.
This video explains how to create a Windows 11 bootable USB drive using Rufus:


 
AndrewFlannigan said:
At a site, where I worked for several months, there was a large sign that more or less covered the wall and had obviously been printed on a full sized matrix printer.

It read: "Under no circumstances apply any updates to the Windows operating system on your machine without the express instructions of the security team!"

Now that's what I call a scream of anguish ...
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And I've got to ask what the "security" team were doing not locking down Windows using so that only people with Admin rights could install updates.

Windows provide an extremely granular permissions system so IT departments can stop users bollixing their systems. Said system can also be used on single user Windows installs like in the home to stop it automatically applying updates, which is something oft-complained about by people on social media (e.g. photography forums).
 
onomatopoeia said:
And I've got to ask what the "security" team were doing not locking down Windows using so that only people with Admin rights could install updates.
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Which, and regretably I know this for a fact, will result in the security team getting a world class "full and frank exchange of views" from senior managers, who find that daily routines suddenly fall apart.

Of course, we all know this should never happen. All you have to do is employ designers and coders who actually know how Windows works, and who don't use "clever hacks" to get around some of its "features". I've been out of the business for more than ten years, so some of this may have been overcome but as a casual user, I still come across behaviour that stops the box doing what a naive user might expect the box to do.

:tumbleweed:
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Which, and regretably I know this for a fact, will result in the security team getting a world class "full and frank exchange of views" from senior managers, who find that daily routines suddenly fall apart.
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Stuff I have said to senior management about IT security in management meetings:

"Me saying 'I warned you this could happen' after we lose data is not a disaster recover plan."
and while no-one would mistake me for Clint Eastwood, "So tell me, do you feel lucky?"

We also had this exchange (related to email rather than security) :

Management "Can you set it up so I can access on my phone?"
Me "That's how I originally set it up. When I explained, you told me to change it to make that impossible, so I spent three days implementing a different system."
Management "Why did I do that?"
At this point I did my best attempt at a Gallic shrug.
 
yeah been there - Gov dept - we want a BYOD ability, for those not aware Bring Your Own Device, they all had various ver/flavours of I phone/Android op sys etc. and wanted to do comms ect. on them rather than have a standard device that we can build a safe secure and managed build for - not a good idea says me, this is a gov department that is then open to hacks - do it says money men, oh look it leaks like a sieve and no way we can manage the updates / upgrades to 40 odd different device ver. levels - time to leave says me !
 
BYOD? - I won't use anything not provided by work - security is a nightmare and I want nothing belonging to the company on my own devices.
 
ancient_mariner said:
BYOD? - I won't use anything not provided by work - security is a nightmare and I want nothing belonging to the company on my own devices.
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agree but tell that to civil servants used to getting their own way and their political masters who think they should always have the latest 'toy' and use it no matter the risks. It was a constant fight that I finally lost and we ended up with a split service desk and a team whos sole job was to keep up with x number of iphone and android build updates to security check them and patch the build - if they trusted us and were not so 'i want' blind they would have had far better tools to do their jobs cheaper and with better security for a Gov department - vanity and stupidity wins when politics and civil servants have the over-ride to people who understand the tech
 
BYOD is fine if all your apps are web based so its basically just a browser you need and you can spec a certain level within the web app launch
 
Mr Bump said:
BYOD is fine if all your apps are web based so its basically just a browser you need and you can spec a certain level within the web app launch
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ha, show me a gov dept that is all web apps - then they use it to input passwords to secure apps that are keyed in and you cannot block them having any other software they decide to put on the device that can be hacked with keyloggers etc. ! anyway, not my problem anymore :)
 
Our family PC runs Win10 and is unsuitable for Win11 (it's from 2012). I'm dis-inclined to replace it, and strongly averse to all things "AI". Would I be wise to turn off updates at around this point? I'm concerned that M$ may be shoveling problems into the PC to make it harder to resist 11. (And no, *n*x is not an option on this machine, due to its user base!)
 
ChrisR said:
Our family PC runs Win10 and is unsuitable for Win11 (it's from 2012). I'm dis-inclined to replace it, and strongly averse to all things "AI". Would I be wise to turn off updates at around this point? I'm concerned that M$ may be shoveling problems into the PC to make it harder to resist 11. (And no, *n*x is not an option on this machine, due to its user base!)
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I spotted this this morning.

www.forbes.com

‘Starting Today’—Microsoft Confirms Free Windows Update

Check your PC for this critical new update — what to know.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

It seems MS are offering a respite/olive branch for those W10 users unwilling or unable (because of hardware issues?) to update to W11.

It seems accepting the ESU for free does have strings attached.......I have not looked yet at my PC to see if 'the offer/invitation' is there yet. So unsure whether I would find any of the 'strings' acceptable???

Edit ~ just looked in "settings" and no invitation yet :thinking:
 
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I bit the bullet a few months back, replacing my 2012 E540 Thinkpad and 2013 Dell XPS with a shiny new Lenovo Slim 7x, which is one of their new ARM machines using a snapdragon processor.
I got £400 off thanks to a work discount scheme, and even made a few quid selling the old Thinkpad and bits and pieces from inside the Dell.
As I don't really use any specialist software, everything runs perfectly well on the ARM machine, obviously far faster then on either of the old machines, the battery seems to last forever, it's super light and the OLED screen is superb (far better than that on my wife's M3 Macbook Air).

If you've a 10+ year old machine, I'd recommend replacing, it's a painless process.
 
Mr Bump said:
Yes you can easily install W11 on unsupported hardware using RUFUS install which just turns off the checks

To install Windows 11 using Rufus, you'll first need to download the Windows 11 ISO file and Rufus itself. Then, use Rufus to create a bootable USB drive with the ISO file, potentially bypassing hardware restrictions if needed. Finally, boot from the USB drive on the target computer and proceed with the Windows 11 installation.

Steps to install Windows 11 with Rufus:

  1. Download Windows 11 ISO: Obtain the Windows 11 ISO file from the official Microsoft website.

  2. Download and Launch Rufus: Download the latest version of Rufus from its official website and run the application.

    • Select USB Drive: Plug in your USB drive and select it within Rufus.
    • Select ISO Image: Click the "Select" button and choose the downloaded Windows 11 ISO file.
    • Choose Image Option: In the "Image option" dropdown, select "Standard Windows Installation".
    • Partition Scheme: Select the appropriate partition scheme (GPT or MBR) based on your target computer's UEFI or BIOS settings.
    • Target System: Choose the appropriate target system type (UEFI (non CSM) or BIOS or UEFI (CSM)).
    • Volume Label: Give your USB drive a descriptive name.
    • Start: Click "Start" to begin creating the bootable USB drive.
    • Bypass Options (Optional): Rufus will likely present options to bypass Windows 11's hardware requirements (TPM, Secure Boot, RAM, etc.). Choose these if your target computer does not meet the requirements and you want to proceed with the installation.
    • Complete the Process: Rufus will format the USB drive and copy the necessary files.
    • Boot from USB: Insert the USB drive into the target computer and restart it.
    • Enter BIOS/UEFI: Access the BIOS/UEFI settings (usually by pressing Delete, F2, or F12 during startup).
    • Set Boot Order: Change the boot order to prioritize the USB drive.
    • Install Windows: Save the BIOS settings and the computer will boot from the USB drive, initiating the Windows 11 installation.
    • Follow Instructions: Follow the on-screen instructions to install Windows 11, including selecting your language, time zone, keyboard layout, and user account options.
This video explains how to create a Windows 11 bootable USB drive using Rufus:
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Cheers @Mr Bump

Painless process following this and now have my Lenovo X220 running perfectly on Win 11.

Even activated itself using my licence from my Microsoft account.

Just have the missus laptop to do now.
 
GreenNinja67 said:
Cheers @Mr Bump

Painless process following this and now have my Lenovo X220 running perfectly on Win 11.

Even activated itself using my licence from my Microsoft account.

Just have the missus laptop to do now.
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Glad I could help :)
 
GreenNinja67 said:
You certainly did.

I'm an IT engineer of over 30 years and I'd never heard of Rufus.
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oh rufus is great been using it for years , its the bees for creating bootable usb for installs
i am a retired IT guy :-)
 
There's also Balena etcher for making bootable memory sticks, though I've not tried it with W11 but it's been good for Linux .
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Extended security updates from Microsoft for Win10 (until Oct 26)

support.microsoft.com

Windows 10 Extended Security Updates | Microsoft Windows

Use Windows 10 securely with the Extended Security Updates programme See how it helps protect your PC and find out how to get it.
support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com
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Thx for the reminder about the ESU .

I use a "local account" but do have an MS because that is or was a requirement to register W10 upon installation 'back then' but IIRC there is a method to install W10 & W11 bypassed the need to have an account i.e. to go straight to "local account".... However, I digress

I will have login to my MS account to see if I qualify for ESU (as per that linked details page) and as far as I can tell from that page that once registered for ESU one can then revert to "local account" logins.
 
jerry12953 said:
Do you have to wait until MS offer you an upgrade to W11? I know I've had them in the past but not recently.
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My win10 PC had offered/pushed for ages.....every so often I would click "stay with Windows 10" and it would reappear eventually. As it stands now that nudge has not returned yet.
 
jerry12953 said:
Same here. presumably we'll get another nudge before too long.
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Time will tell?

As mentioned in my post #34
I am currently logged into the MS Account and my preference continues to be using my Local Account.

I have yet to see the ESU offer and out of curiosity I "chatted" with MS support.

I was reassured that as ESU was in the process of rolling out I was quite likely to see it before 14th October (the EoL date for Win 10)

Though the conversation got a tad muddy as to her understanding:-

  1. As to when and whether I could revert to a Local Account and the ESU updates would show in Windows Update? She initially said yes but then went vague!
  2. As I would likely be paying.....I asked is it a one off payment, as in once paid I would not have to leave my CC details in the MS store. She said it was to make sure the Store would work for me...... I explained I had no intention of buying anything in the MS Store.
  3. Both the above got her kind of confused such that she said once I have enrolled on the ESU program......I should open the chat again and ask for clarification!!!!
 
must admit - I stayed on Win 3.1 until WinXP until Win 7, then to Win 10, it was always my own hardware upgrades that drove the Win updates for me, old IT engineers adage - if it ain't broke, don't fix it - cant see me changing from Win 10 in any rush !
 
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