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right made my mind up i think!

Going with a 2 head Lencarta ep300 for taken protraits in house with backdrop.

Going for 2 x ep 300 heads
Air cushioned stands
Standard reflector and a snoot with grid (like some pics i seen but never used one of these)
Shoot through Umbrella and 120 octa softbox
Radio Triggers Free

All for £490

Am i making the right choice?? i the stuff i am buying??

Cheers
 
Yep all sounds great, the Lencarta stuff is excellent (I used it on the Lencarta Studio Day with Jonathan Ryan) would love to run to the kit you are ordering but its a wee bit expensive for me so patiently waiting for the Smartflash to come back into stock so I can spend my pennies :)
 
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right made my mind up i think!

Going with a 2 head Lencarta ep300 for taken protraits in house with backdrop.

Going for 2 x ep 300 heads
Air cushioned stands
Standard reflector and a snoot with grid (like some pics i seen but never used one of these)
Shoot through Umbrella and 120 octa softbox
Radio Triggers Free

All for £490

Am i making the right choice?? i the stuff i am buying??

Cheers


Yep - it's great! :thumbs:
 
Not only is that nice kit it would qualify you for a half price training course ;) http://www.lencarta.com/lighting-st...es/portrait-lighting-workshop-20th-march-2011

Only comment I'd make is that if you were going to be putting it up and down a lot then you might prefer the folding Octabox. I just got the 150 folding octa and it's very very nice indeed.

But...
1. That would cost another 60 quid
2. The non folding one takes up a lot less space when it's broken down.
 
Am i making the right choice?? i the stuff i am buying??

Personally, I'd say no.

I bought two EP300s just before Christmas, along with 80cm softbox, umbrella and ordinary stands. Out of the box both EP300 heads were covered in greasy fingerprints and badly scratched. Both stands were scratched and I got a 60cm softbox instead of an 80cm one. The umbrella was fine.

I opted for replacement heads instead of a refund and both replacements were in a similar condition - scratches and fingerprints. This time I went for the refund but unfortunately there's quibbling going on over the no quibble guarantee.

I accept that things can go wrong and that's where good customer service comes in but there's nothing more frustrating than having communications ignored once there's a problem.
 
My personal experience with Lencarta wasn't the best I must say, but I think I had unrealistic hopes about what I was going to be getting for my money. When it arrived I didnt like the quality, a flash bulb was hanging out of one of the heads and the screws were loose, and the speedring felt cheap and nasty, turned out it was it broke when I was putting the octabox up.

They say that the units are professional quality. I would argue that. Some professionals may use them sure, but compare a "professional" lencarta head with a professional offering from Elinchrom, the Style RX, or a top of the range Bowens, or hell even profoto heads. They may be alot cheaper, but by awarding themselves this "professional" status, they are pitching themselves against the big boys, in a game where you really do get what you pay for.

For it's price, yes, fine, I understand that point, but don't be in the mind set that you are getting high quality kit at low prices, you're getting entry level kit with the build quality that goes with it, at low prices.

Having said that, there are many satisfied customers on here so maybe there stuff has improved. I bought my kit from them a fair while ago now.

Regards

Danny
 
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Personally, I'd say no.

I bought two EP300s just before Christmas, along with 80cm softbox, umbrella and ordinary stands. Out of the box both EP300 heads were covered in greasy fingerprints and badly scratched. Both stands were scratched and I got a 60cm softbox instead of an 80cm one. The umbrella was fine.

I opted for replacement heads instead of a refund and both replacements were in a similar condition - scratches and fingerprints. This time I went for the refund but unfortunately there's quibbling going on over the no quibble guarantee.

I accept that things can go wrong and that's where good customer service comes in but there's nothing more frustrating than having communications ignored once there's a problem.
This isn't the right place to get annoyed about suppliers, these things are best deal with privately, but as I'm now forced to bring it out into the open, here is the true situation.

He was sent the wrong softbox. As a goodwill gesture, when I got the warehouse to send the right one, I said that he could keep the wrong one.

Later, he decided to send the whole lot back under the terms of the no quibble guarantee. It is the customers' responsibility in these cases to pay the cost of getting it back but, as another goodwill gesture, I got the warehouse to arrange collection and Lencarta paid for it.

When the goods arrived back the wrong softbox was missing, he'd decided to keep it, so when I processed the refund (which I did immediately) I deducted the cost of the softbox that he'd kept from the refund, which I think was perfectly reasonable. I also emailed him immediately, saying that I had done so.

He ignored this email, and emailed me to say that he had not been refunded for the full amount.

I emailed yet again, explaining the situation once again.

He then emailed the managing director, complaining about me.

The MD replied, saying that if he wants to return the softbox at his own expense then he can have a refund for that too, but if he doesn't return it then he won't get a refund.

The latest move on this is that although he still hasn't returned the softbox for refund, he has sent a recorded delivery letter demanding that we collect it at our own expense, which we are not going to do (unless of course the MD asks me to, which I hope he has enough sense not to do).

You'll see from this that his communications weren't ignored at all, he just didn't get the answers he hoped for. If he wants to dispute any of the above then I'll take that as permission to post the actual emails.
 
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Well, I was missing my background reflector with my order, got a prompt reply from Garry looking into it and a day or so later received the item. Top service in my book. Also had an issue where I broke a wheel off the b/g light stand and Garry couldnt have been more helpful in sorting it out by sending me a spare. Again, faultless service.

Comparing Lencarta to a more expensive Bowens is just stupid! Of course the Bowens is probably better, in the same way a D3 is better than a D700 or a D300, yet all are pro cameras. For the money they are excellent bit of kit.

I too would go for the folding octo - you do need a bit of force to get it fully open but goes from folded to ready to use in less than 30 secs.
 
This isn't the right place to get annoyed about suppliers, these things are best deal with privately...

I'm sure there are two sides to every story and on face value your explanation seems very reasonable but I have to say that this is a public forum where exactly these things should be pointed out (if they are in fact true).

Edit: I have no direct experience of Lencarta whatsoever and what I have read till now has all been positive and since being here I see the Lencarta guys are very helpful, I don't mean my comment to be an attack just that stories of bad service if legitimate are things that should be discussed.
 
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Well, I was missing my background reflector with my order, got a prompt reply from Garry looking into it and a day or so later received the item. Top service in my book. Also had an issue where I broke a wheel off the b/g light stand and Garry couldnt have been more helpful in sorting it out by sending me a spare. Again, faultless service.

Comparing Lencarta to a more expensive Bowens is just stupid! Of course the Bowens is probably better, in the same way a D3 is better than a D700 or a D300, yet all are pro cameras. For the money they are excellent bit of kit.

I too would go for the folding octo - you do need a bit of force to get it fully open but goes from folded to ready to use in less than 30 secs.

I didn't put it as simply as that I did try to explain a little more about what I meant.

It's not stupid if they both apparently fit in the same market. Look at the tag line, "Lencarta, Professional Every Time..." Professional lights vs Professional Lights. It's nothing like a camera comparison from a same manufacturer. Its more like putting a Samsung "professional body" at £xxx against a Nikon D3 at £xxxx's

Lencarta are willingly awarding their own product, a "professional" tag, therefore trying to pit that equipment against the dedicated professional providers.

I would 100% say that for the money, they are worth it, but I will STRESS my point in my previous post. Do not believe you are investing in a professional quality grade item, because you are not!

Nothing against them at all, but I believe the "professional" branding everywhere is good marketing, but in my opinion, also as a previous owner of the equipment, not entirely accurate.:thumbs:
 
This isn't the right place to get annoyed about suppliers, these things are best deal with privately

Unless you're Talk Talk? http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=3320946&postcount=4

You're taking this very personally Garry. I bought a set of lights from a limited company trading as Lencarta, not from you. There were a number of quality problems with the lights. We exchanged emails. I complained (using the "complaint" email on Lencarta's website) when I felt that all you wanted to do was argue and prove a point, rather than resolve a situation amicably - even after receiving 4 damaged heads I still liked the lights!

I then received a pleasant, professional and apologetic email from Lencarta's MD, Harry Liu. I responded to this with a lengthy email to explain my version of events (not unreasonably) but this certainly did not amount to complaining about you - I just used some of your correspondence to explain the situation. And unfortunately I haven't received a reply to this either.

So we can see what I'm talking about - am I being unreasonable to accept these? :

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Obviously I haven't posted images of the scratches to the stands or damaged ring fitting for the softbox.

But the thing that concerns me most is the implication that this situation is my fault and that it is only goodwill on Lencarta's part that you have taken the goods back (and borne the cost of postage). You obviously have no understanding of the Distance Selling Regulations or Sale of Goods Act and these inaccuracies are still apparent on Lencarta's website.

I am already out of pocket with this transaction - all I want is to be put back in the position I was in before being supplied with damaged goods!
 
If customers have a genuine grievance (as you did) or even if they haven't, I try to resolve it quickly and to the satisfaction of the customer. Things are bound to go wrong sometimes with any supplier, and Companies should be judged on their actions and attitude when mistakes are made - and I honestly believe that I did everything that could be done to resolve the problem to your satisfaction, I'm only sorry that my efforts weren't good enough for you, and that the MD was also unable to satisfy you.

I kept you fully in the picture and made various attempts to resolve the problem to your satisfaction, and yet you complained that I had ignored correspondence from you, which is untrue.

And you have been told, both my the MD and myself that you will get the refund for the softbox if you return it, that offer will remain on the table until the 30 day refund guarantee expires. I really don't know what else anyone could do in this situation but, as I said earlier, if the MD overules me then I will arrange for collection at the Company's expense.
 
I'm near Heathrow, and you can pop round and look at the lights here if you wish.

I really don't think that ANYBODY should be going into detail about particular complaints on here, especially in somebody else's thread.

Steve

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Thanks for the kind offer but as i am new to this and if they are good for alot of people i am sure they will be good enough for me.

Just really thinking of the attachments i need.
Thanks again
Give me a ring if you need any advice on this
 
Hi Dan,

I have seen the folding stripbox in action and can vouch that the folding boxes are worth the extra.. I do seem to remember you are local to me, so if you fancy a glance over the Safari give me a shout... I don't have a softbox though..

Simon
 
Do not believe you are investing in a professional quality grade item, because you are not!

Nothing against them at all, but I believe the "professional" branding everywhere is good marketing, but in my opinion, also as a previous owner of the equipment, not entirely accurate.:thumbs:

Interesting. What would you list as the differences between professional grade lights and consumer level?

People have pretty clear ideas on the different specs of cameras (weather sealing seems a popular differential) and are very ready to pay lots more for a lens that says L on it. What are your criteria for lights?
 
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Interesting. What would you list as the differences between professional grade lights and consumer level?

People have pretty clear ideas on the different specs of cameras (weather sealing seems a popular differential) and are very ready to pay lots more for a lens that says L on it. What are your criteria for lights?

Its not all a numbers and specs game mate as you well know. My issue with the stuff I received from Lencarta was that the build quality felt ropey. Had a real made in China feel about it when I opened it, which just got worse once I started putting it up and things started falling off in my hand.

As I said, I'm not having a dig, I have nothing against lencarta kits, when it comes down to cost they're hard to beat, genuinely. Working with them week in week out though with paying customers wouldn't be on the cards for me personally, my preferences lie elsewhere as they're entitled to ;)
 
As I said, I'm not having a dig,

I know. I'm genuinely interested. It seems to me some of the premium brands are truly well built and some charge extra simply because of their name.

Oh and go read your PMs...
 
Its not all a numbers and specs game mate as you well know. My issue with the stuff I received from Lencarta was that the build quality felt ropey. Had a real made in China feel about it when I opened it, which just got worse once I started putting it up and things started falling off in my hand.

As I said, I'm not having a dig, I have nothing against lencarta kits, when it comes down to cost they're hard to beat, genuinely. Working with them week in week out though with paying customers wouldn't be on the cards for me personally, my preferences lie elsewhere as they're entitled to ;)
I don't completely disagree with you and I don't defend Lencarta's decision to use 'Professional, every time' as a tagline, although personally I don't see anything wrong with it either, after all most of Lencarta's equipment is used by professionals, and gets a hammering day in day out.

In fact the SmartFlash, which is the entry level head, is used by event photographers in huge numbers and, as Photomart can tell you, very few people have experienced any problems with them.

Quality is difficult to define, and I don't feel that 'assembled in China' is any kind of criteria - after all, the vast majority of the big names in studio lighting come from China (whatever the makers may say) and so do London taxis, i-phones, laptops and a lot of other things that we all use every day.

China has created a reputation for producing junk - and for good reason, because their manufacturing industry started off by copying other people's products badly and a lot of the smaller Chinese manufacturers still seem to economise on componant quality, product research and product design - but when they put their minds to it (or when standards are laid out that they must follow) then they are up with the best of 'em. A bit like GB really, we have some of the finest precision engineers in the world, but everyone over a certain age also remembers Leyland cars:)
 
A bit like GB really, we have some of the finest precision engineers in the world, but everyone over a certain age also remembers Leyland cars:)

I owned a Marina and an Ital. Enough said.

I agree with you about Chinese manufacturing, we source one of our products from China (computing electronics, nothing to do with photography). The failure rate on them is well under 1 in 1000. When we first started using the same company 10 years ago it was much higher, more like 1-2%. There has been some fun along the way, the exploding surface mount capacitors in particular :naughty: and the melting cases, but on the whole the experience has been extremely good.
 
In real terms it comes down to naivety on my part and my expectations being unrealistic at the time.

Made in China was possibly a bad analogy, perhaps I should've just said it felt a bit cheaply made. It was silly things that let it down in my eyes. I didn't use it enough to comment on the internals and the reliability, it was silly things like the speedring snapping the first time I put the octabox up, the flash bulb and holder hanging out, the plastic knob on the light stand snapped, it didn't give me confidence in the product as a whole so I soon sold it on.

I'm gonna get a chance to test out the safari soon, and see whether it can tempt me away from the ranger rx I'm fiending for ;)
 
O no all the EP300 seems to be out of stock now any ideas when it return.

Just as i was going to order.

Sorry to hear some have had bad time with lencarta but i have heard more good than bad.

Do we get something free like a bag it we put on back order like other companies do?? :o)
 
Yes, I'm sorry about the stock situation.

We have containers of the stuff on the water, but they take a long time to arrive. So we arranged for a smaller consignment to come by air, it should have arrived before the end of last month but due to 'circumstances beyond my control' (AKA incompetence) it's still sitting at the airport. I've been promised that it will go on the first available flight once the Chinese new year is over, but the new year is a big thing over there, and as just about everyone returns to their home town for the new year and as everyone travels at the same time, it takes a while for people to get back to work, so realistically I'm not expecting new stock for another couple of weeks, although it could be a bit sooner.

Obviously I'm as unhappy about this situation as everyone else, but there's nothing I can do to speed things up.

Lencarta doesn't do backorders, the idea is that if it isn't physically in stock you can't buy it, and you have to keep your money in your back pocket where it belongs. Free bags? Good idea, I can ask.
 
Yes, I'm sorry about the stock situation.

We have containers of the stuff on the water, but they take a long time to arrive. So we arranged for a smaller consignment to come by air, it should have arrived before the end of last month but due to 'circumstances beyond my control' (AKA incompetence) it's still sitting at the airport. I've been promised that it will go on the first available flight once the Chinese new year is over, but the new year is a big thing over there, and as just about everyone returns to their home town for the new year and as everyone travels at the same time, it takes a while for people to get back to work, so realistically I'm not expecting new stock for another couple of weeks, although it could be a bit sooner.

Obviously I'm as unhappy about this situation as everyone else, but there's nothing I can do to speed things up.

Lencarta doesn't do backorders, the idea is that if it isn't physically in stock you can't buy it, and you have to keep your money in your back pocket where it belongs. Free bags? Good idea, I can ask.


Damn, means that money is gonna be burning a hole in my pocket for a little longer, oh well I will just have to be patient :)
 
Lencarta doesn't do backorders, the idea is that if it isn't physically in stock you can't buy it, and you have to keep your money in your back pocket where it belongs. Free bags? Good idea, I can ask.

Put me down for a free bag if they say yes Garry :thumbs: lol

Hope they are back in stock before I am tempted to spend the money on something just for the sake of spending it!
 
Put me down for a free bag if they say yes Garry :thumbs: lol

Hope they are back in stock before I am tempted to spend the money on something just for the sake of spending it!

Once they're back in stock I'll throw in a free carry bag to everyone on TP who buys a kit in the first week - but I'll need an email at the time of order, otherwise I won't know you're a TP member...
 
Free carry bag sounds good to me!
I know how imports/exports work - or not as the case may be, and that this is doubtlessly more frustrating for you guys than us customers, so just waiting patiently here - it's not as if I need them SUPER urgent.

Been waiting for the smartflash to come back into stock, since I booked my workshop place. Much longer and I may as well pick them up from you in April. ;)
 
yeah for free bag! Im looking forward to stock coming back in! you dont know how long (well, technically you do - early December) ive been waiting for that "in stock email"

now... where did the money go? woops! better start convincing SWIMBO again
 
I bought 4 lights few months a go :) can i have the bag too? Lol regards to build quality: had a photo sesions on saturday. Lights was on for over 4h. Nothing melt anevery light fired everytime. Will buy more soon.
 
theres an incentive not to spend my money before the Smartflash come back into stock :)
 
I'm quite happy with Lencarta so far. I made my first order last summer, a three head SmartFlash kit and I was very satisfied with these. Lencarta bent over backwards to arrange guaranteed Saturday delivery when I ordered late on Friday, and even footed the extra delivery cost.

Then last week I ordered an EP300, another stand, a beauty dish and a selection of light modifiers. They were delivered promptly. The order was complete and correct. There were oily finger marks on the boxes where they had been packed and also on the beauty dish - easily cleaned off. The equipment itself was otherwise completely unmarked and in full working order.

I'm a very satisfied Lencarta customer, and no doubt will be returning to buy another couple of EP300s/600s in the near future.
 
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