Raw + Jpeg vs Raw only.

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I shoot in Raw and Jpeg only because when I come to view my images on my laptop, I can view the jpegs instantly and organise the keepers and non keepers without having to convert my raw files 1st.
Is there a better way of doing this, as I only shoot the jpegs so I can view straight away.
Ian..
 
Lots of folk shoot raw and jpg so they show pc lappy clients cam shots
personally I only shoot raw, theres is a thred some where on here that went into depth on this suject try using the search dont forget to set the search bit to and older
 
If you use a mac and use iphoto to organise your images, then it looks at most raw files straight away, at least is does my ORF's without any hassle, shows them as thumbs and all.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that something like picassa from google will let you organise raw's whithout the need for jpeg's, I'm sure I'll get corrected if I'm wrong :)

I used to shoot raw+jpg up until recently, but that was until I leanrt how to process the raw image - i used the jpg to fall back on, but now its just raw all the way.
 
I believe Effjay is correct about Picassa but i'm on the wrong computer at the moment so can't check for you...
 
What about using the bundled dpp software to view the RAW files? Works for me..
 
IanH said:
I shoot in Raw and Jpeg only because when I come to view my images on my laptop, I can view the jpegs instantly and organise the keepers and non keepers without having to convert my raw files 1st.
Is there a better way of doing this, as I only shoot the jpegs so I can view straight away.
Ian..
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I have some software on my PC (Vista) that allows me to view RAW files exactly the same way as I view JPEGS.

They still appear as thumbnails and open up in Windows Picture Viewer as normal.
 
FastStone image viewer let's you view the raw files too (NEF anyway!)
 
i use adobe bridge, and i never have a need for jpegs, i can view raw files instantly.
 
RAW only for me as I can see the images instantly using the two FREE programs provided by Canon that came with my camera Zoombrowser and Digital Photo Professional.

If I want to see the thumbnails using Windows Explorer on my XP machine then I have the free version ofDPmagic installed.
 
swanseamale47 said:
Download instant jpeg from raw http://www.rawworkflow.com/instant-jpeg-from-raw-utility/ this extracts the built in jpegs from the raw files, it's really quick and simple and you save a fair bit of card space not using the both when shooting.
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I have been shooting RAW + jpeg since the RAW files, when downloaded, just show as PSE icons and I want a look before opening them in PSE7.

Just tried that little utility and had bother with it.

Normally when I put the cards from my Pentax or Nikon into the card reader the downloader program pops up up automatically, but it ceased doing so with the Pentax.
The program put a command under the My Pictures File menu "Convert to JPEG" which was fine, but when the files were downloaded from both my Pentax and Nikon they were already converted to jpegs. No sign of the RAW (NEF from the Nikon or DNG from the Pentax).

Don't know what the problem is. Maybe a confliction somewhere. Uninstalled the program and everything is back to normal.

Pity, because it would have been a usefull little tool.
Back to shooting RAW + jpeg (at least I can set the Pentax jpegs to 2MB limit so that keeps the file size down).
 
IanH said:
I shoot in Raw and Jpeg only because when I come to view my images on my laptop, I can view the jpegs instantly and organise the keepers and non keepers without having to convert my raw files 1st.
Is there a better way of doing this, as I only shoot the jpegs so I can view straight away.
Ian..
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You could easily shoot raw only.
I suggest trying to use IrfanView, as it's capable of viewing jpegs embedded in raw files, which makes it very fast and it could be just enough for you to decide whether a photo is a keeper or not.
Another thing you could try is extracting the embedded jpegs (preview extractor, rawdrop, dcraw) and use those to do the sorting, then also delete the raw files that you don't want (filenames will tell you what you kept). This isn't a very fast option, but it is a way. :shrug:
 
Thanks for all the replies.
I didnt reply sooner as I was admitted to hospital about 20mins after my post.
:runaway: :help:
I've got my laptop with me now though to relieve the boredom
It seems there are a lot of alternatives, I think I'll go with the DPP as I already have it, and lookat microsoft as I'm running Vista also.
Cheers
Ian..
 
If you are posting from hospital i hope you are out of there soon :)

I shoot raw only. Whilst away on holiday I use Picasa to view the pictures on the netbook. Picasa takes its own guess at how the raws should be processed for viewing so I don't think of it as any more than checking focus and composition as the exposure generally looks wrong (but isn't really).
 
I use Lightroom 2 to view my RAW files.

I very rarely shoot in RAW though, I find it unnecessary for what I do.

For those of you that do shoot in RAW though, what sort of photography do you shoot? I couldn't imagine someone shooting weddings in RAW..
 
RobertP said:
If you are posting from hospital i hope you are out of there soon :)

I shoot raw only. Whilst away on holiday I use Picasa to view the pictures on the netbook. Picasa takes its own guess at how the raws should be processed for viewing so I don't think of it as any more than checking focus and composition as the exposure generally looks wrong (but isn't really).
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Yes I am and thanks. I hope so too.
My exposure is usually out anyway so by using Picasa It'll probably be spot on when I view it :D
Thanks I'll have a look.
Ian..
 
joxby said:
:thumbs:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/
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That software is not maintained and will not support cameras released in the last few years. For Canon users, like the OP, you want to use Canon's Raw CODEC that is updated online with new releases of Canon cameras. You can find a link to the CODEC, amongst other software, on the page here....

http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010677.asp

That will allow viewing within Windows Explorer. Of course, DPP, Zoombrowser, Lightroom, Bridge, Picasa and many other software products will also allow you to view and delete/drag/drop the raw files.

EDIT : Direct link to the CODEC download here - http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0033279.asp
 
tdodd said:
That software is not maintained and will not support cameras released in the last few years. For Canon users, like the OP, you want to use Canon's Raw CODEC that is updated online with new releases of Canon cameras. You can find a link to the CODEC here....

http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010677.asp

That will allow viewing within Windows Explorer. Of course, DPP, Zoombrowser, Lightroom, Bridge, Picasa and many other software products will also allow you to view and delete/drag/drop the raw files.
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Yes, and the microsoft software is confined to Canon & Nikon cameras only.

Do you know if the other software you mention allows Adobe .DNG files to be viewed.

I can view my .DNG files in PSE7 Organiser, but hate the damned thing - too complex for a simple task.
 
arclight said:
Yes, and the microsoft software is confined to Canon & Nikon cameras only.

Do you know if the other software you mention allows Adobe .DNG files to be viewed.

I can view my .DNG files in PSE7 Organiser, but hate the damned thing - too complex for a simple task.
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No idea, I'm afraid. I have never used .DNG in my life. I'm happy with .CR2 files from my Canon gear. Perhaps GOOGLE can help. Irfanview might be worth a punt.
 
I shoot everything in RAW - Lightroom is my catalogue, browser, and first stop for image selection and basic processing. Then I bounce copies into Photoshop for all the crazy stuff, and only turn things into JPGs at the very end of the process.
 
boyfalldown said:
Weddings :) always in RAW and straight into lightroom to view.

Hugh
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Quite.

I couldn't imagine anyone arsing about sorting out white balance before taking each shot, or deciding how much to tweak the contrast for each scene, depending on the lighting. Shoot raw, nail the lighting, composition, focusing, timing and exposure at the time of shutter release. Sort out everything else afterwards. Why would you want to purposely throw away ~half your image data, and bake in changes that can never be undone, before you even get to look at it?
 
Hopkin Green Frog said:
Why would anyone not shoot a wedding in RAW? As a format it gives you so much more control over the final result, which gives you more margin for error surely?
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I think you mean it gives you the creative control to enhance your photos beyond their initial excellence, in ways that simply can't be achieved by relying on dumb and limited presets within the camera. ;)

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Although for some of us, yes, it means having a safety margin to fix our gaffs, as well as all the other good things....

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And if you get your WB wrong, it is easily corrected....

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tdodd said:
I think you mean it gives you the creative control to enhance your photos beyond their initial excellence, in ways that simply can't be achieved by relying on dumb and limited presets within the camera. ;)

Although for some of us, yes, it means having a safety margin, as well as all the other good things.
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Very good........:lol:.....and quite correct....;)
 
tdodd said:
I think you mean it gives you the creative control to enhance your photos beyond their initial excellence, in ways that simply can't be achieved by relying on dumb and limited presets within the camera. ;)

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Although for some of us, yes, it means having a safety margin to fix our gaffs, as well as all the other good things....

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And if you get your WB wrong, it is easily corrected....

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LOLocaust. *cough*
Yes, that's what I meant.
Obviously.
 
I just shoot purely as a hobby and I'm on the Big learning curve.
I often shoot 300 images when I'm out and about. I like to shoot Raw for exaxtly the reasons tdodd explained. :thumbs:
I upload direct to the PC (not into Elements) and the thumbnails that the jpegs give me, allow me to go straight to the image I want to view instantly. I've not tried shooting Raw only yet. Will the Canon software give me the small thumbnails if I shoot Raw only, or will I have to open the image 1st before I will see exactly what it is?
Thanks again
Ian..
 
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Yes, and the microsoft software is confined to Canon & Nikon cameras only.

Do you know if the other software you mention allows Adobe .DNG files to be viewed.

I can view my .DNG files in PSE7 Organiser, but hate the damned thing - too complex for a simple task.
No idea, I'm afraid. I have never used .DNG in my life. I'm happy with .CR2 files from my Canon gear. Perhaps GOOGLE can help. Irfanview might be worth a punt.

Thanks anyway - tried Google before asking, but no joy. One of the downsides to having a Camera system with a small minority of the market.
 
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