Rant

[Johnd2000]

And what about the cancer victims that can't afford to eat or keep the heating on but don't get any help from the government but allow people like her to abuse the system? She been far from bullied. She's got a nice brand new house being built she can afford horses and flying lessons and god knows what else.

She's not been bullied at all she's just suffering the backlash from a society that is sick of people like her sucking the nation dry.

Do you think vilifying one cancer victim will help others, or make it harder for them?

One thing that's nice and convenient about this story is that it draws attention away from the truly awful way this Gov is treating people with disabilities and terminal illnesses.

Oh, but we're not allowed to talk politics are we?

 

[pepi1967]

Do you think vilifying one cancer victim will help others, or make it harder for them?

One thing that's nice and convenient about this story is that it draws attention away from the truly awful way this Gov is treating people with disabilities and terminal illnesses.

Oh, but we're not allowed to talk politics are we?

Nope I agree with this statement TOTALY. But this thread is about one woman and her lifestyle and what she gets compared to others.

 

[jon ryan]

So how come most of us have had a decent education? If she had kept her legs shut and not had 11 kids then maybe other people could have a better eductaion.

Many millions of people have cancer. Its not about bullying a cancer victim. She happened to have cancer. There are people who have lost children, lost parents while they were children, lost loved ones, suffered life changing injuries (like 7/7 bomb victims) who manage to not drain the system.

There are very few families with ten kids in this country these days. Proportionately, their cost to the country is utterly insignificant. If the owner of the Daily Mail had paid his fair share of tax on the £1,000,000,000 he inherited at age 30 (I wonder how much work he did?), all of those families could have gone to university with plenty left over. But because of his hypocrisy that tax is not available for education, cancer treatment or anything else. He spends it on building mansions in Wiltshire. Education, particularly of women, is proportional to family size. Had she had a proper education, it's possible she may not have had so many kids.

 

[jon ryan]

but on the other hand there are lots of people who've had cancer who have jobs and are paying tax and don't expect the state to owe them a living.

she says " I'd love to work, i was going to open my own business but then 2 years ago i got cancer "

well thats all very tragic - but whats stopping her from opening the business now ? (and don't say the recession - 2 years ago we were recessing worse than we are now)

or come to that her partner could get off his arse and do some work - or the three older kids could get some work and pay their way

Of course the next argument advanced is " oh but there isnt any bwork for people like them" - but i'm sorry that doesnt hold water , especially in tewksbury, glos - its not exactly an impoverished area.

I have a freind who's a warehouse manager for a major company - last xmas he had temp jobs going at £13/hour for pick and pack jobs (which require very litle other than you actually want to work) but despite offering nearly twice minimum wage he still had jobs going unfilled, and a lot of the halfwits he did get only wanted to skive and had no idea how to graft.


Of course tax evasion by the rich is also an issue - but is not an either or - rich barstewards should stop evading tax and pay their share, and idle shiftless ******s should get off their arse and stop sucking off benefits (note that i'm not saying everyone on benefits is a parasite - there are many deserved cases who either can't work through disability, or are trying their very best to find work but havent yet)

No argument with any of that. It's the one-sided story and the hypocrisy of the Mail that gets to me. I live in hope that Leveson will result in some balanced reporting soon. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[gumbo-67]

isn't there a thread about this woman already somewhere else? and how did a fat usless prat rant get to this??? i give up..

 

[big soft moose]

Do you think vilifying one cancer victim will help others, or make it harder for them?

One thing that's nice and convenient about this story is that it draws attention away from the truly awful way this Gov is treating people with disabilities and terminal illnesses.

Oh, but we're not allowed to talk politics are we?

no one is vilifying a cancer victim - that would imply people were saying that she was a scrounger because she'd had cancer , and that therefore by implication other victims are also scroungers

the cancer is a complete red herring here - she's a scrounger because she's had 11 kids she can't afford to keep or house - this was true before she got cancer, and didnt stop being true because she got it.

she doesnt have a disability or a terminal illness

 

[Johnd2000]

1 no it's stories we read and hear about all the time. Same as the poor guy that lives two doors down who lost both his legs to cancer and is still having treatment but the council haven't got the money to build his ramp to get his wheel chair in his house till next April. It's £600 to get it built but they can't afford it. Not surprised when breeders like her are sucking the state bone dry. So me and a neighbour paid for it.

As for billionaire tax dodgers if you want a debate on that start you own thread.

As for what is classed as a bully well maybe someone who denies someone else of something they need to survive. This woman hasn't been denied anything so is not a victim ergo not bullied.

You seriously think a handful of large families on benefits are the reason why your neighbour can't get a £600 ramp? Seriously? So massive Govt cuts to LA budgets have nothing to do with it?

Sir Phillip Green (Cameron's "efficiency tsar") avoided enough tax to pay for 20,000 nurses. Who's the bigger scumbag?

 

[Laudrup]

A person i know just announced he is getting the new ps4. now don't get me wrong i don't one.
He works part time so that is something but claims as much as he can from the government. again he is allowed to (not i said allowed) on top of this he just got him and his wife new iphone 5's and yet another new 3D TV. oh did i say about the new ipads they both have..

cheeky git has just knocked my door can i lend him £100 till the end of the month saying some money hasn't gone in and he can't go shopping for food tomorrow. so on top of "us" indirectly paying for all his stuff he now wants me to feed his kids.. who look like they came out of the poor house.. :bonk::bang: sorry he is a fat use less git how needs a slap.

P.S. no i didn't give him any money.

Why don't you say it to his face?

 

[Johnd2000]

Nope I agree with this statement TOTALY. But this thread is about one woman and her lifestyle and what she gets compared to others.

Actually its about someone being jealous of their neighbour announcing that he's getting a games console that's not even out yet.

 

[pepi1967]

Actually its about someone being jealous of their neighbour announcing that he's getting a games console that's not even out yet.

Very True. sorry I forgot this was a hijacked thread.

 

[gumbo-67]

I have and so have others but he is also married to a friend and i don't want to upset her o make her life any harder. which it will do if i say anything else.

 

[gumbo-67]

Actually its about someone being jealous of their neighbour announcing that he's getting a games console that's not even out yet.

You are so wrong it is untrue i a fed up with the pratt i couldn't give a flying **** about a games console. i don't use them and to be honest if i wanted one i can afford to go get one.

 

[pepi1967]

You seriously think a handful of large families on benefits are the reason why your neighbour can't get a £600 ramp? Seriously? So massive Govt cuts to LA budgets have nothing to do with it?

Sir Phillip Green (Cameron's "efficiency tsar") avoided enough tax to pay for 20,000 nurses. Who's the bigger scumbag?

It's not about a handful of large families its about ALL the scroungers stripping the system it just so happens this week it's about her next week it will be someone else.

In her own words she would have more kids if she could. So then what? Build her another house?

 

[Johnd2000]

It's not about a handful of large families its about ALL the scroungers stripping the system it just so happens this week it's about her next week it will be someone else.

In her own words she would have more kids if she could. So then what? Build her another house?

So how many scroungers and how much are they "stripping the system" of? You've been told several times that its statistically and financially insignificant, yet you cling to this unfounded claim that its both widespread and massively expensive.

A quote in the Daily Heil doesn't = "her own words" at all. Neither is the state "building her a house" as has also been explained (in the other thread) several times.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way.

 

[viv1969]

isn't there a thread about this woman already somewhere else? and how did a fat usless prat rant get to this??? i give up..

 

[DorsetDude]

If you don't do any work you need all these gadgets to keep yourself occupied.

The other side of the story. I wonder why the Mail says nothing about her having cancer?

Thank god you're here wrong thread boy.

 

[PMK]

I think life really is too short to be concerned with your neighbours materialistic ways. So what? As you've already stated you're happy with what you've got - so enjoy that. Getting worked up over these kinds of things is completely futile unless you want to do something about it. If you feel he/she is illegitimately receiving benefits you can report them.

Who knows, he/she might have other means of earning cash. Not saying it's legal, but it's common.

 

[gumbo-67]

PMK when he knocks my door for money is when i get p'd off. but hay ho.

 

[pepi1967]

So how many scroungers and how much are they "stripping the system" of? You've been told several times that its statistically and financially insignificant, yet you cling to this unfounded claim that its both widespread and massively expensive.

A quote in the Daily Heil doesn't = "her own words" at all. Neither is the state "building her a house" as has also been explained (in the other thread) several times.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way.

She has 11 kids FACT

She is on un employment benefit because she doesn't work FACT

She said she would have more kids if she could FACT

She admitted on tv yes the family does own a horse FACT

The council sold land cheaply to a developer on the the understanding they would use the houses to cut the waiting list of council tenants FACT

The developer is building a six dedroom house for the woman in question to house her 11 kids FACT

She won't be paying rent or council tax FACT

She already has two houses joined together but SHE doesn't think it's suitable FACT.

But like you said let's not let the facts get in the way.

I also think we should let the OP of this thread have her thread back.

 

[PMK]

You refused didn't you? So it's no skin off your nose.

If you seriously think he's claiming benefits illegally - report him.

 

[Nod]

I also think we should let the OP of this thread have her thread back.

FACT!

 

[Johnd2000]

She has 11 kids FACT

She is on un employment benefit because she doesn't work FACT

She said she would have more kids if she could FACT

She admitted on tv yes the family does own a horse FACT

The council sold land cheaply to a developer on the the understanding they would use the houses to cut the waiting list of council tenants FACT

The developer is building a six dedroom house for the woman in question to house her 11 kids FACT

She won't be paying rent or council tax FACT

She already has two houses joined together but SHE doesn't think it's suitable FACT.

But like you said let's not let the facts get in the way.

I also think we should let the OP of this thread have her thread back.

So no answer to my question then.

You really need to learn the difference between a fact and a tabloid quote. Maybe you missed it but there was a Leveson inquiry recently that had a thing or two to say about the matter.

 

[viv1969]

So no answer to my question then.

You really need to learn the difference between a fact and a tabloid quote. Maybe you missed it but there was a Leveson inquiry recently that had a thing or two to say about the matter.

Oh calm down dear; you'll give yourself a funny turn.

 

[gumbo-67]

PMK i did yes.. and no doubt he is claiming what he is allowed, (won't into that) but if he can afford all that he has then something some where is wrong.

 

[gumbo-67]

Oh calm down dear; you'll give yourself a funny turn.

 

[viv1969]

You refused didn't you? So it's no skin off your nose.

If you seriously think he's claiming benefits illegally - report him.

You DID read the thread title before you clicked, right?
It's a rant, leave her be....Click the back button and move on :shake:

 

[pepi1967]

Oh calm down dear; you'll give yourself a funny turn.

 

[ZoneV]

Oh calm down dear; you'll give yourself a funny turn.

He's right though, isn't he dear?

 

[viv1969]

He's right though, isn't he dear?

That didn't quite work for you, did it?

 

[PMK]

PMK i did yes.. and no doubt he is claiming what he is allowed, (won't into that) but if he can afford all that he has then something some where is wrong.

Precisely my point - nobody knows where these 'benefits scroungers' get the 'extra' funds.

My girlfriend got made redundant a few years back and we went to our local council to get the ball rolling in regards to her receiving benefits (towards rent and living). I can assure you it wasn't as glamorous as many people seems to make out on here. In fact, it was near impossible to live on. Luckily she got a job a few months later.

People have other ways of increasing their income, and it's not always through legitimate government benefits.

 

[ZoneV]

That didn't quite work for you, did it?

Looks fine to me.

 

[gumbo-67]

PMK i don't really give a flying **** what and how he gets the money. The Rant was he is on benefits and shouldn't IMHO be able to afford all this.. let alone the fact that his kids go without and that is a FACT.

 

[Rob L]

Looks fine to me.

I think it's the placement of the comma that tickled Ruth

 

[ZoneV]

I think it's the placement of the comma that tickled Ruth

That's libellous! The comma was in plain view at all times! :rules:

(Seriously though, what's wrong with the comma? Why is it funny?)

 

[Rob L]

That's libellous! The comma was in plain view at all times! :rules:

(Seriously though, what's wrong with the comma? Why is it funny?)

 

[pepi1967]

That's libellous! The comma was in plain view at all times! :rules:

(Seriously though, what's wrong with the comma? Why is it funny?)

 

[TriggerHappy]

Oh great, another one of these irate threads banging on about the same thing.

What a warped sense of priorities some of you lot have :shake:

 

[viv1969]

Oh great, another one of these irate threads banging on about the same thing.

What a warped sense of priorities some of you lot have :shake:

Oh great, another one of those pointless posts about how annoying a thread is. :bonk: :nuts:

 

[andya700]

1/ Can you link to these cancer victims who can't afford to eat or keep the heating on please?

2/ Do you think getting billionaires to pay some tax may help here?

3/What is your definition of bullying?

Jon, you could start another thread about tax evasion by the rich and powerful, and I would be agreeing with you wholeheartedly, but to be honest it is not connected with this thread, or the thousands of other cases where people manage to swindle the state out of money, by fiddling benefits.
There is a guy over the road from me who has Parkinsons, and he does not get a penny in benefits, he is 59, his wife works in M&S, and they are lucky that they do not have a mortgage to pay.
The sinmple fact is, that there are many people who know how to milk the system for all it is worth, they know all the tricks, and they manage to get handouts which ordinary, honest folk are somehow denied.
One of my "ex" mates manages to get child benefit and tax credits, plus council tax rebate, despite the fact that he doesn't have a mortgage or pay rent, they are both working full time and niether of them is disabled.
He is an "ex" mate because last year he needed a little job done on his car (front discs and pads replaced), and the local garage quoted him £215. I said that I would do it for £140 all in (parts and labour) and he agreed. He knew that I was out of work and did not receive any benefits, but at the end of the job he started to get a bit moody, because it had "only" taken me four hours (it should have been quicker but one of the discs just wouldn't budge, and I was working outside in the pouring rain), but he paid up grudgingly.
He is just another person who expects something for nothing, but rarely does anything for anyone else and is as mean as they come.

 

[andya700]

no one is vilifying a cancer victim - that would imply people were saying that she was a scrounger because she'd had cancer , and that therefore by implication other victims are also scroungers

the cancer is a complete red herring here - she's a scrounger because she's had 11 kids she can't afford to keep or house - this was true before she got cancer, and didnt stop being true because she got it.

she doesnt have a disability or a terminal illness

Exactly right