R.I.P. - Kumaritshvili

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Rest in peace - the first person killed in the 2010 Winter Olympics.

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Not sure why I watched that. I read it on BBC News earlier, but it looked pretty quick.

An absolute tragic accident, but what I've read about the track so far, it's considered fast and dangerous. Opening ceremony is at 2am GMT. Hopefully they'll pay their respects.
 
At least he was doing something that he loved and it was quick.
 
Poor guy! I have removed the link as not sure this is really the place for 'snuff films'
 
A terrible start to the games, there are some horrific videos of this on Youtue. However, Luge is a dangerous sport, and everybody competing knows this can happen. In a way it's right that the Olympic track should be the fastest, most dangerous track in the world.
 
RichardC27 said:
A terrible start to the games, there are some horrific videos of this on Youtue. However, Luge is a dangerous sport, and everybody competing knows this can happen. In a way it's right that the Olympic track should be the fastest, most dangerous track in the world.
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TBH i totally disagree no event should ever have the title of being the most dangerous. I havent seen the video but have been told what happened and it a common accident but usually doesnt happen at the speeds it did here, i think the IOC have to stand up and say they made a big mistake in not having better protection on the area of the accident as i cant see it being the only one this event.
 
I have seen the video and its not nice seeing a 21 year old lad die, but it was an accident and he went onto the track to practice for the games, nobody made him do it "it was out of his love for the sport" extremely tragic as it is Luge will be around for years just like his memory in Georgia

R.I.P Nodar
 
Just watched it. You can see that the line he took made him catch the inside of the bend which launched him straight into those metal supports.

Why on earth are they not padded or even better enclosed by some some perspex sheeting so if somebody does launch off that corner they would deflect off at a narrow angle down the track rather than have a head on 90mph jolt.

I hope they modify it.
 
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dinners said:
Just watched it. You can see that the line he took made him catch the inside of the bend which launched him straight into those metal supports.

Why on earth are they not padded or even better enclosed by some some perspex sheeting so if somebody does launch off that corner they would deflect off at a narrow angle down the track rather than have a head on 90mph jolt.

I hope they modify it.
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some catch fencing would have saved the poor lad......
 
I have no idea what the sport was or who this lad is, but i'm saddened by any death (unless it's the scummy moron who killed my car windscreen :suspect:).

Reason i've posted is I was chatting with a bloke yesterday whose daughter lives in vancouver. Apparently these games were a contentious issue for locals already without a tragedy adding to them.
 
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What are your views on the news coverage of this event?
I watched the earlier broadcasts which showed the full video at least twice, including a slo-mo replay, then showed stills taken on both sides of the track, first of the accident itself including the moment of impact with the metal post then of the paramedics attemting to rescussitate.

Later on they only showed a few stills and none of the moment of impact.

What do you think is and isn't acceptable coverage - and if video and stills exist of an accident like this is it right or wrong to broadcast them - especially knowing that the full and unedited piece can be seen on UTube anyway?
 
Arkady said:
What are your views on the news coverage of this event?
I watched the earlier broadcasts which showed the full video at least twice, including a slo-mo replay, then showed stills taken on both sides of the track, first of the accident itself including the moment of impact with the metal post then of the paramedics attemting to rescussitate.

Later on they only showed a few stills and none of the moment of impact.

What do you think is and isn't acceptable coverage - and if video and stills exist of an accident like this is it right or wrong to broadcast them - especially knowing that the full and unedited piece can be seen on UTube anyway?
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I don't think it is necessary and is somewhat macarbe. They could show pictures of the track itself if talking about the safety aspect but I see no reason to show the moment of the poor lad's death.
 
I think it's discusting how the media gave full coverage of it, it was extreemley disrespectful to the family and freinds of the guy involved.

All media should have more restrictions in place for incidents like this and also other things to!!
 
Tricky one, not seen the news, but saw the original video posted. Its a very danagerous sport but thats what makes these people so different to most people, it is the danger that attracts them, same as any sport like it. You'l always look to go faster higher etc, i know from myself as i take part in some sports most people wouldnt even consider doing.
 
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I don't think it is necessary and is somewhat macarbe. They could show pictures of the track itself if talking about the safety aspect but I see no reason to show the moment of the poor lad's death.
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Could they? And what impact would that have to a news audience?
None whatsoever.

And why shouldn't it be shown? We watch plane crashes at airports where hundreds die, watch thousands being swept to thier deaths by tidal waves...
We happily watch similar things on WW2/Korea/Vietnam/Falklands documentaries on the Discovery and History channels...soldiers falling on the Normandy beaches, aircraft crashing in flames, tank crews obliterated in fire and smoke on the Russian Front, British soldiers and sailors trapped on ships in Falkland Sound...the wounded brought ashore trailing half-amputated limbs...

Those people are equally dead and maimed - all that's changed is the clarity...
Is our squeamishness a by-product of being able to see things too clearly, too graphically, too colourfully?

Is death OK if it's presented in grainy B&W or blurry out of focus? Is the level of shock commensurate with the quality of the images?

On a purely technical aside: I was fascinated by the fact that the stills photographer actually managed to track the subject throughout, despite him taking an unexpected line...
 
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Tricky one, not seen the news, but saw the original video posted. Its a very danagerous sport but thats what makes these people so different to most people, it is the danger that attracts them, same as any sport like it. You'l always look to go faster higher etc, i know from myself as i take part in some sports most people wouldnt even consider doing.
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yeh people in extreeme sports will always look for something more, it's the way adrenaline works.
 
i wouldnt mind it being on youtube so much if the comments were turned off.
youtube is full of death and moronic kids being disrespectful.

i think if one close relative objects to the coverage whilst they are grieving then the media should respect the wishes. But then thats why I watch BBC News and dont read newspapers.
 
Gary said:
i wouldnt mind it being on youtube so much if the comments were turned off.
youtube is full of death and moronic kids being disrespectful.

i think if one close relative objects to the coverage whilst they are grieving then the media should respect the wishes. But then thats why I watch BBC News and dont read newspapers.
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I saw that someones comment was "awesome", WTH is awesome about somebody losing their life, there is nothing at all awesome about it!!
 
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Arkady said:
Could they? And what impact would that have to a news audience?
None whatsoever.

And why shouldn't it be shown? We watch plane crashes at airports where hundreds die, watch thousands being swept to thier deaths by tidal waves...
We happily watch similar things on WW2/Korea/Vietnam/Falklands documentaries on the Discovery and History channels...soldiers falling on the Normandy beaches, aircraft crashing in flames, tank crews obliterated in fire and smoke on the Russian Front, British soldiers and sailors trapped on ships in Falkland Sound...the wounded brought ashore trailing half-amputated limbs...

Those people are equally dead and maimed - all that's changed is the clarity...
Is our squeamishness a by-product of being able to see things too clearly, too graphically, too colourfully?

Is death OK if it's presented in grainy B&W or blurry out of focus? Is the level of shock commensurate with the quality of the images?

On a purely technical aside: I was fascinated by the fact that the stills photographer actually managed to track the subject throughout, despite him taking an unexpected line...
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I'm not sqeamish about it at all - I just don't see what is to be gained in this specific situation. There are other circumstances under which there are reasons to show graphic images - it is a very fine line I grant you. This young man chose to take part in an "extreme" sport and his unfortunate death is an isolated incident. I have sympathy for his family and loved one's but I don't understand the need for this "impact" you seem to think is important. I have not seen the video and I don't need to see it to understand what happened.

Just for the record - I don't "happily" watch anything that involves pain, suffering, and death... whether it is grainy, B&W, blurry, or in HD.

On a side note - but you've got me thinking about it by bringing up old film etc - I've often thought before about the rights and wrongs of archeologists digging up remains from ancient burial sites. Is that disrespectful, is it essentially grave-robbing, or is it ok because of what we might learn from what is found? I've never really come to a decision on it though :shrug:

EDIT - interested to know what you actually think about it? You have a lot of questions but havn't answered any of them yourself.
 
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