Quick question regarding posting in People & Portraits...

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Hi all

I've just read through an entire (long!) thread which got derailed and eventually closed but one part I noticed was a few posts where I got the impression that they were saying that People & Portraits should ONLY be used to specifically request C&C. I have absolutely no problem with that being the case but I'm very aware that I fairly often post a few images from a newborn shoot especially if there's ones that I've tried something new. I always put somewhere in the post 'C&C always appreciated' but don't specifically ask for it and generally post several images where it was intimated in the post I read that it should really be only one image if you want C&C.

Just wondering whether the general consensus is that I should be posting my newborn stuff in Photos for Pleasure rather than here as I'm not actively asking for C&C, although I'm always open to it and welcome it on any image I put up (which isn't very often!). My impression is that the Photos for Pleasure isn't frequented all that much?

What's people's thoughts on this and whether the People & Portraits forum is actually being used for what it's intended for?
(Just want to be really really clear here - I'm not attempting to kick off an argument or anything like that, it's a genuine question from me prompted by the other thread, so please keep any replies on topic!)

Regards
Jim
 
Posting in any of the 'critique' forums is a signal that you are happy to receive critique however there is a selectable prefix to the thread title 'Critique' to signal that you are actively looking for critique.
There is no rule about posting only one image but if you post multiple images you will probably find that less people take the time to give critique on all or any of the images.
Photos for pleasure images are not subject to critique and are basically just for sharing :)
 
Gramps has pretty much summed it up, photos for pleasure if you're just sharing and don't want crit.
Anywhere else is deemed acceptable to give it, across all sections. :)
 
I'm pretty sure if you put you didn't want crit people wouldn't give it. But I don't see the harm in getting it, as long as it's constructive. People are 99% of the time only trying to help you improve :)
 
One more thing I agree with the OP in some respects about photos for pleasure. I never go in there because I only want to see images in the subjects I like and have subscribed to.
 
Raptor Mike said:
One more thing I agree with the OP in some respects about photos for pleasure. I never go in there because I only want to see images in the subjects I like and have subscribed to.
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I must admit I rarely go in there too, I was going to last weekend because in town they had a big Harvey Davidson run on, I didn't know so just phone snaps and a 'look what I saw' type thing.

I think that's the main problem, some people don't want critique but want them shown and photos for pleasure doesn't get the views...hence dummy spits.
 
Raptor Mike said:
May be a title prefix of 'Not for critique' would help?
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I tend to agree - if it was down to me i'd keep photos for pleasure for the silly things that arent really about photography per se , like 'whats this' , and 'caption competition' etc - and may be make it a subfora of OOF - then i'd make the main sharing boards have mandatory prefixes for either 'crit wanted' or 'no crit please'

forone thing it would cut down on the mummys special soldiers posting in the crit boards then throwing their teddies when they get some
 
UaeExile said:
If people can't comment then what's the point in posting? Or am I missing something? :confused:
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Some people just want "likes" and a "wow" social media has a lot to answer for :(
 
Cobra said:
Some people just want "likes" and a "wow" social media has a lot to answer for :(
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Just seems you'd post, it would exist, and in a few hours it will be on page 2. I'm gutted if I get no comments on my photos, even if they're quite negative that's how I learn the best :D
 
Cobra said:
Some people just want "likes" and a "wow" social media has a lot to answer for :(
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I completely get that this is sometimes the case, and I'm always appreciative of CC. I like people commenting and critiquing, and to be honest anyone who can't take CC after posting a picture in a sub-forum where, as stated, things are more focussed on that particular subject, then they shouldn't be posting it in the first place and certainly shouldn't be spitting dummies.
It just struck me that there were some who have a fairly defined view of what should be posted in these sub-forums, and for what purpose and in what format (eg just the one pic). I found myself understanding the basic sentiment but wondering if we (as a forum) take things waaaaaay too personally sometimes and get panties bunched over what in normal conversation with a tog colleague would be acceptable - CC will always be subjective to a degree but we're all grownups.

I've been guilty of it myself in the past - posting an image or two then being a touch disgruntled that few had commented on it. I then realised that I was acting a little like someone who posts on FB for attention and then gets upset when noone takes the bait so had a good word with myself!
But while I genuinely like to get CC on my images (as much as possible; I ain't no expert!) I do think there should maybe be a little more tolerance for people who do just want to share on the sub-forums without assuming that they just want attention. I've got lots of inspiration from images posted everywhere on this excellent forum and sometimes analyse the lighting to see where I can improve. And to be honest, sometimes I do take a picture that I really love, am quite proud of, and want to share with people and say 'a)I love this and b) what do you guys think?

I guess I'm taking a long time to say I personally believe there's room for both areas of image posting in the sub-forums and we shouldn't get in too much of a huff over things if they don't conform to how we think things should be.

Maybe I'm just rambling....
Wouldn't be the first time....
I'll just go back to going over Bethy's images at 300% magnification to point out any missed cloning then....... ;):D

Cheers
Jim
 
Nothing wrong with a ramble we all do it :D

Personally being able to admit and have words with yourself goes along way. It's the ones that genuinely dummy spit snd can't see it that gets most people's goat..

There's nothing really stopping you/anybody from posting and saying your just sharing because you're proud but still welcome Cc, you may love it but someone then suggests an option that you'd not thought off and would work better.
Failing that you can disagree and then it's just down to politeness lol
 
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JimPMM said:
then they shouldn't be posting it in the first place and certainly shouldn't be spitting dummies.
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Exactly my point, they post on FB ( et al) and get lots of likes,
They post here and the feedback is helpful, but no where near as glowing, and the response is ( at best)
But the "client" / auntie and Grandma liked them, so I don't see an issue with them.
Being judged by your family is hardly like being "judged" by your peers.

JimPMM said:
but wondering if we (as a forum) take things waaaaaay too personally sometimes and get panties bunched over what in normal conversation with a tog colleague would be acceptable -
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Absolutely!
UaeExile said:
Just seems you'd post, it would exist, and in a few hours it will be on page 2
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Or not as the case maybe :D
And there is another bone of contention, people eventually get fed up with commenting if they get their heads bitten off, for making a less than a "superb" comment ;)

Cg_Girl said:
Yep... And/or encourage more nice shot comments instead of discourage them..
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Thats all well and good, and I understand where you are coming from,
but it doesn't help those that want proper critique, "nice shot" helps no one in these circumstances.
 
Cobra said:
Exactly my point, they post on FB ( et al) and get lots of likes,
They post here and the feedback is helpful, but no where near as glowing, and the response is ( at best)
But the "client" / auntie and Grandma liked them, so I don't see an issue with them.
Being judged by your family is hardly like being "judged" by your peers.


Absolutely!

Or not as the case maybe :D
And there is another bone of contention, people eventually get fed up with commenting if they get their heads bitten off, for making a less than a "superb" comment ;)


Thats all well and good, and I understand where you are coming from,
but it doesn't help those that want proper critique, "nice shot" helps no one in these circumstances.
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No that's what I'm saying.. Having a no critique prefix would create more of those comments instead of discourage.. As in a bad thing!
 
Cg_Girl said:
Yep... And/or encourage more nice shot comments instead of discourage them..
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or coral the nice shot comments on the threads where thats all people want to hear , leaving the threads where the OP actually wants crit free for propper crit and discussion (and also meaning the limited number of members who give decent crit can focus their efforts where appreciated)

if people don't want crit the 'nice shot' comment is doing any harm (except for people spamming for classifieds acess off course) , its only a waste of space whee the op actually wanted something more substantive
 
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Cobra said:
Exactly my point, they post on FB ( et al) and get lots of likes,
They post here and the feedback is helpful, but no where near as glowing, and the response is ( at best)
But the "client" / auntie and Grandma liked them, so I don't see an issue with them.
Being judged by your family is hardly like being "judged" by your peers.


Absolutely!

Or not as the case maybe :D
And there is another bone of contention, people eventually get fed up with commenting if they get their heads bitten off, for making a less than a "superb" comment ;)


Thats all well and good, and I understand where you are coming from,
but it doesn't help those that want proper critique, "nice shot" helps no one in these circumstances.
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I can be quite blunt when it comes to critique, but that's because I just don't have time to go to the far end of a fart :D
 
UaeExile said:
If people can't comment then what's the point in posting? Or am I missing something? :confused:
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I think a lot of the time some people want people to say "wow, your shot is like orsum dude" , because thats what they get on facebook and flickr, thats why they get upset when its pointed out that , badly exposed and composed and half out of focus.

at least a "no crit"tag would enable those people to be honest about what they want - no crit doesnt mean no comments at all , it means no critique (it would also make it much more black and white when someone who selected the 'crit please' tag had a dummy spit , because they wouldnt be able to say "I didnt ask for crit"

course maybe we should be more explicit and have a "tell me how great my shots are" crit tag :lol:
 
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big soft moose said:
I think a lot of the time some people want people to say "wow, your shot is like orsum dude" , because thats what they get on facebook and flickr, thats why they get upset when its pointed out that , badly exposed and composed and half out of focus.

at least a "no crit"tag would enable those people to be honest about what they want - no crit doesnt mean no comments at all , it means no critique (it would also make it much more black and white when someone who selected the 'crit please' tag had a dummy spit , because they wouldnt be able to say "I didnt ask for crit"

course maybe we should be more explicit and have a "tell me how great my shots are" crit tag :LOL:
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I remember the first "studio" photos I posted here. Dear god I was ripped a new one.. BUT.. I never took s*** photos like that again (well, I never posted them anyway) :D
 
UaeExile said:
I remember the first "studio" photos I posted here. Dear god I was ripped a new one.. BUT.. I never took s*** photos like that again (well, I never posted them anyway) :D
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Something similar happened to me when I first start out (here).
I posted a few images that I thought were the dogs testicles,
I was soon put right! It was a little harsh, granted, but it was fair.
I didn't spit my dummy and leave, I learned by it.
 
UaeExile said:
I remember the first "studio" photos I posted here. Dear god I was ripped a new one.. BUT.. I never took s*** photos like that again (well, I never posted them anyway) :D
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or if you did you knew they were s*** ... because you listen and learnt , which puts you in a different group to an awful lot of the 'special little soldiers' and ;sensitive flowers' that are posting in the 'crit' boardfs but don't genuinely want critique
 
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