Question for the cyclists....

but those years on a bike made me a better driver, I think - I have a better appreciation of what it's like out there...

I'm certain of that. I even think that you should have to spend a year on a small motorcycle before you can get a car licence in order to better understand how to deal with them on the road.

Compulsory re-tests every five years would help too.


Steve.
 
I ride a bike quite often, on and off road, On road at this time of year, i have a decent powered front light, 2x rear flashing lights (on below seat and one on bag on my back) Thet bag is reflective, my shoes are and my jacket is not exactly a dull colour. My bike is black though.

I havent been knocked off yet or really been frowned at by drivers, however coming up to a fork in a road and i stay in lane to go right(ish) and it forks to the left, every day , car cuts round my right hand side and tries to get into the left hand branch of the fork. I dont want to move over any further right as that causes people going right not able to pass me. I jsut have to take it!

I have seen cyclist jump red lights in front of me and a bus almost take them out from a hidden junction. I cycle on tram lines and it does annoy me when i get stuck behind a tram doing 10MPH . Only to find there's another cyclist infront when i have to dangerously overtake at a tram stop. There is plenty of space to pull out of the way to let the tram pass, its just common curtesy. A lot of cyclist dont have this.

Why is it on a 30MPH road and i am steadily doing 25MPH motorist pull up along side me, and just sit there and dont overtake. If they are just matching my speed i think they should fall back, if i need to do a right turn or avoid a hole in the side of the road i am boxed in. why?

Some of the most considerate drivers are black cab drivers for me. They let me go at lights first without racing me on green, have had them give me a wide birth, let me turn right over the otherlane of traffic etc...


off road where cyclists are allowed, Dog walkers get my back up sometimes. Its not them or the dog but the use of the leash. Even if they see me coming they dont reel in the leash to let me pas and i have to stop while the dog is on thet other side of the path. Its hard enough seeing a leash, let alone trying to judge what the dogs going to do next. If the dogs on the leash, a) reel them in or b) move to the side of the path the dog is on. c) let the dog off the leash (if dog is not to hyper etc) i can be very agile when i need to be on the bike. I have only had a couple of dogs go for my feet and the simplest thing to do is just slow down or stop and they just run off!
 
Why is it on a 30MPH road and i am steadily doing 25MPH motorist pull up along side me, and just sit there and dont overtake. If they are just matching my speed i think they should fall back, if i need to do a right turn or avoid a hole in the side of the road i am boxed in. why?

Some of the most considerate drivers are black cab drivers for me. They let me go at lights first without racing me on green, have had them give me a wide birth, let me turn right over the otherlane of traffic etc...

I find that sometimes, so now when I am doing close to the speed limit I am just going to sit in the middle of the lane.

On the other point, I find that some of the worst and best drivers are black cab drivers! Some don't look and just swing out. I have seen one blocking a road while a police car with sirens on is waiting to go down it, all because they wanted to pick up a customer!!
 
I know the feeling,this happens to me all the time .I ring my bell and they just look at me as if I shouldn't be there,many a time I've had to cycle on grass verge to get past.

I have to say i've been a bit naught a couple of times, if there is still space to overtake them I get to just behind them and shout "Get on the path!" or once even "BOO!" Hopefully gives them an idea of how stupid they are being...:nuts:

I find that sometimes, so now when I am doing close to the speed limit I am just going to sit in the middle of the lane.

On the other point, I find that some of the worst and best drivers are black cab drivers! Some don't look and just swing out. I have seen one blocking a road while a police car with sirens on is waiting to go down it, all because they wanted to pick up a customer!!

TBH you should be cycling around 1m from the curb normally anyway, and if you are at about the speed limit then cycle in the right hand side of your lane (like motorcyclists).:)
 
TBH you should be cycling around 1m from the curb normally anyway, and if you are at about the speed limit then cycle in the right hand side of your lane (like motorcyclists).:)

I always cycle away from the curb - unless filtering. Don't really want all the road debris in my tyres! When using a cycle lane I am always on the white line of it or just inside the white line - gives me room to swerve if necessary.
 
I have to say i've been a bit naught a couple of times, if there is still space to overtake them I get to just behind them and shout "Get on the path!" or once even "BOO!" Hopefully gives them an idea of how stupid they are being...:nuts:

this attitude is why cyclists are so un popular - and they are sorry but it true. If I drove around in an area heavy foot traffic in such a way as I was repeatedly having to jump on the brakes, or drove up behind people hooting or shouting I'd be an ignorant fool, but for cyclists for some reason that sort of things OK? :cuckoo:
 
Yup, it just takes a few pull-&-releases on the brakes to make a click/knock sound to alert them and then a smile and a nod as you pass.
 
Coldean Lane in Brighton's like that - I was always overtaking cars there - you can easily reach 80-90Kmph down there. I also overtook a Police Car late at night in Burgess Hill once - they stopped me later on but only to find out what bike I was on...:D

The problem that a lot of non-cycling motorists fail to appreciate is that the reason many cyclists feel they have to ride 'like idiots' is due to painful experience - in any collision with another vehicle, the cyclist comes off worse - and being human we aren't simply going to be chased off the roads that we have every right to be on - we therefore ride more defensively, take up more room, 'filter' through traffic more aggressively so as to encourage motorists to acknowledge the fact that we're actually there...

I've lost count of the number of near-misses I had when I was a regular cyclist and the actual impacts were well into the teens (always causing damage to me and my bike) - usually caused by motorists not realising how fast I was going and pulling out in front of me, or simply not seeing me at all...

I tell you what though - when a motorist gets a £5,000 insurance claim for a busted race-bike, he soon realises that not all cyclists are the same...
If you cause a cyclist to be knocked off, damaging his bike and possibly injuring him/her into the bargain, it's your no-claims you lose, not the cyclists - the damage a cyclist causes is insignificant anyway, hence no legal requirement to have any.

Most of you know I'm into big, noisy cars, but those years on a bike made me a better driver, I think - I have a better appreciation of what it's like out there...I have no problem at all dawdling along at 10mph behind a bunch of touring cyclists (there's lots of them in Germany in the Summer and they're really, really crap at keeping a line), even if it does keep me from enjoying a particularly challenging set of hair-pins...

Learn some patience and slow down - we all get there safely that way.

I know that lane quite well, been down it a few times.

Fully agree with the rest too, the bill for a mates bike equalled £12K, which the car that hit him was worth about £1K.
 
this attitude is why cyclists are so un popular - and they are sorry but it true. If I drove around in an area heavy foot traffic in such a way as I was repeatedly having to jump on the brakes, or drove up behind people hooting or shouting I'd be an ignorant fool, but for cyclists for some reason that sort of things OK? :cuckoo:

More like driving along a main road out of town, if you had to keep stopping for pedestrians standing in the middle of the road (when there's a perfectly good path next to it) nattering would you not get annoyed? I know for a fact a lot of car drivers get annoyed at a lot less and beep as they go past. The only difference with me is i'm not likely to kill someone, and only do it on rare occasions, so please get off your high horse.;)

Obviously if the cycle track is going through a busy area I wouldn't do that, I cycle slowly and weave/trackstand, if you don't you're an idiot, and probably going to get yourself seriously hurt in a very short period. Which is what car drivers forget, cyclists can't just bump into something and drive off again, they actually get injured at even slow speeds...
 
More like driving along a main road out of town, if you had to keep stopping for pedestrians standing in the middle of the road (when there's a perfectly good path next to it) nattering would you not get annoyed? I know for a fact a lot of car drivers get annoyed at a lot less and beep as they go past. The only difference with me is i'm not likely to kill someone, and only do it on rare occasions, so please get off your high horse.;)

Obviously if the cycle track is going through a busy area I wouldn't do that, I cycle slowly and weave/trackstand, if you don't you're an idiot, and probably going to get yourself seriously hurt in a very short period. Which is what car drivers forget, cyclists can't just bump into something and drive off again, they actually get injured at even slow speeds...

all meant with a big smile and not on my high horse at all. :)

Many drivers do forget that - you're right but not all do. I dislike drving lots now and tend to walk or train/tube if I can just cause of the number of idiot motorists there are.

The issue as I see it is that cylists forget that in a collision with a pedestrian both will be equally hurt, and expect the pedestrian to get out of the way. I also think with many cyclists there is 'little man syndrome' going on now - the car driver have bullied me so I'll bully the pedestrians and shout about how hard I am afterwards. Sorry that does come across a little in your posts

Hugh
 
I always stop at red lights. The other day I got stopped by every set of lights in Exeter, but I'd been pushing so hard I was glad of the rest! Didn't hurt my average speed too much either

My dad on the other hand will run red lights if appears safe to do so, and he also doesn't wear a helmet despite having come off after hitting a pothole not too long ago.

My pet hate is pedestrians just walking across the road without looking just because they can't hear anything, then getting a shock when I have to shout and realising what they just did

Everyone has issues with everyone else on the road, but I like to think I don't give car drivers any reasons to dislike cyclists
 
I have a question for the motorists reading this thread. What do you think when you are stuck in a HUGE traffic jam and see cyclists going on without being hindered?

I was walking down the road today and there was a massive queue and all the cycles were going down the bus lane, I thought all the drivers would be sitting there thinking "why am I not on my bike too?".

Daven
 
I have a question for the motorists reading this thread. What do you think when you are stuck in a HUGE traffic jam and see cyclists going on without being hindered?

Good luck to them is all I say
 
all meant with a big smile and not on my high horse at all. :)

Many drivers do forget that - you're right but not all do. I dislike drving lots now and tend to walk or train/tube if I can just cause of the number of idiot motorists there are.

The issue as I see it is that cylists forget that in a collision with a pedestrian both will be equally hurt, and expect the pedestrian to get out of the way. I also think with many cyclists there is 'little man syndrome' going on now - the car driver have bullied me so I'll bully the pedestrians and shout about how hard I am afterwards. Sorry that does come across a little in your posts

Hugh

:)

I see your points and there probably is a little in there, the times I did it I was normally annoyed at the "stupid" pedestrians on the "road", more because I was just annoyed.:p However it is a real issue in my town, and it's not like the cycle tracks are tacked onto the side of a path, they are a seperate mini road system which is why I get slightly riled up about it, "just because you're only a cyclist means I can wonder all over your road". There have been more than a few times however when mopeds (legally allowed on them) have bashed a few pedestrians due to them standing in the middle of the road round a corner. I even saw a couple almost run over yesterday by a council "buggy" using the road (although that was 50/50 fault, the buggy was going far too fast).

I think there is a little of the "little man syndrome", mostly due to the fact cyclists seem to be ostracised from civil life a lot of the time, they get moaned at for cycling on the roads, and moaned at for cycling on the path, no win in any circumstances it seems. All appear to be tarred with the same brush as the minority of bad cyclists and all seem to risk their lives "battling" the very people that moan at them because they can kill the cyclist far easier than the cyclist can kill them. To an extent little man syndrome is what keeps a huge number of cyclists alive, which is pretty depressing really.:(
 
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