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Why, now that it's getting darker earlier to cyclists think that dressing from head to foot in black makes them safer on the roads?

Almost every cyclist I've seen recently has been dressed this way and I nearly sent one eejit to meet his maker a few days back - black bike, dressed in full Johnny Cash colour scheme on a dimly lit (but busy) country road. It was only at the last moment that I spotted that silly wee blinking red light on the back of his bike.

Is there a reason behind this choice of attire, or do cyclist nowadays just have a deathwish? :shrug:
 
I have noticed the same trend, I and Eileen wear the brightest clothing possible.
Eileen always wears a hiviz over her jacket and always uses good lights .......I dont ride in dark conditions but still like to be seen
 
They seem to think that headlights will make them visible in time. They will - if half a second at 40mph is enough time. And the driver isn't messing with the cd player or something.

I occasionally pass (in opposite directions) a girl cycling along a dark unlit country road on my way to work in the evenings. Dark clothing. And no lights. I've already seen one car pull out of a side road and nearly hit her. I haven't seen her for a month or so. Maybe she's dead. And some cycling group wants to make it law so that they put all the blame on the motorist, regardless of circumstances.
 
Some cyclists are idiots. I unfortunately forgot my lights once, fortunately had a very short ride home but all the way I was bricking it. I was fully aware that people couldn't see me and it wasn't nice. Normally I have loads of lights on my bike :) now I am never going anywhere without them!

Don't forget though, drivers of dark cars also sometimes don't turn on their lights...
 
Some cyclists are idiots. I unfortunately forgot my lights once, fortunately had a very short ride home but all the way I was bricking it. I was fully aware that people couldn't see me and it wasn't nice. Normally I have loads of lights on my bike :) now I am never going anywhere without them!

Don't forget though, drivers of dark cars also sometimes don't turn on their lights...

... or drive only on sidelights , i mean what is the point of that , are they trying to save energy or something :bonk:
 
ive got reflective sidewalls on my tyres, very helpful along with an LED at the rear and a light at the front, i really should put them back on the bike now the nights are closing in
 
And some cycling group wants to make it law so that they put all the blame on the motorist, regardless of circumstances.

and they quite frankly should not succeed m(if indeed this is true), as a cyclist and a motorist some of the actions of cyclists begar belief and it would be unfair for the motorist to be automatically to blame simply because a cyclist is not just a danger to themselves but to those around him.
 
I bought a nice black cycle top last year, went out and it was'nt until I was out that I realised I was that man in black on a black bike (although it was summer).

Don't use that top any more.
 
Another thing which cheeses me off to no end and perhaps some cyclist can explain. I travel regularly along a stretch of 2 lane dual carraige way which has speed limits of 40mph and national speed limit applied in some sections. It is tree lined and dark one one side WITH a dedicated and well signposted cyclepath that runs parallel main road (2 metres from the road I may add and follows the same route) which is surely the safer place to ride a bike.
Why is it that cyclists in the full lycra regalia risk their lives and of the motorist and cycle on the damn road with huge lorries and buses etc hurtling past them by a few feet and not the cyclepath. You come across some eejit without lights and cannot pass because of fast moving traffic in the outside lane.

The sooner they are made responsible for their actions instead of the innocent motorists the better.
 
They`re not just any cyclists.

They`re Ninja cyclists!

It's something I'm shamefully aware of. A lot of bikes are black and I happen to have one - black frame, black wheels and the club I ride with has a mostly black kit... I will be purchasing some hi-viz reflector straps for arms and ankles along with my usual blinkies for those winter mornings and evenings...
 
Theres dump cyclist, that problerly never drive so have no idea what a car driver can see in dim light. Id also hazard a guess to say to say most of those that do ride in dark cloths etc are either kids/teenagers with no sense of fear etc then theres just the plain thick that deserve to be locked in loony bin.

Those flashy lights are not suitable for a main light, the rider can actually be fined by the Police for not being lit up correctly for that. You should always have a solid main, the idea of the flashy lights is to improve the sense of speed, as small items appear to travel slower the bigger, speed perspective is decreased at night even more. The flashing light will make you look like you moving faster.


Another thing which cheeses me off to no end and perhaps some cyclist can explain. I travel regularly along a stretch of 2 lane dual carraige way which has speed limits of 40mph and national speed limit applied in some sections. It is tree lined and dark one one side WITH a dedicated and well signposted cyclepath that runs parallel main road (2 metres from the road I may add and follows the same route) which is surely the safer place to ride a bike.
Why is it that cyclists in the full lycra regalia risk their lives and of the motorist and cycle on the damn road with huge lorries and buses etc hurtling past them by a few feet and not the cyclepath. You come across some eejit without lights and cannot pass because of fast moving traffic in the outside lane.

The sooner they are made responsible for their actions instead of the innocent motorists the better.

Depends on the bike being riden tbh, if you have a fat tyred mountian bike then cycle paths can be safer, but you can vitually garentee that if theres anyone walking on the pathment they will walk on the cycle lane not the path meaning you move on to the path to get past them, and get moaned at for scaring the life outta them.

Personally, id never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ride my road racer on any cycle lane. Quite simply i havent the brake to stop for some thicko listerning to there ipod talking on the phone not paying attention that will walk in front me, and more importantly my tyres will fall though any joins between slabs. Personally i can ride at 30-40mph on most flatish roads.

Personally i never ride at night the rest of nutters in cars is too high, plus i will never get enough light on the road for the speed i ride at to see far far enough up the road to react.

I do ride in rain, but then my shoes are designed to reflect cars head lights, and my waterproof overshoes if needed are highly reflective to, as is my waterproof coat which is also bright yellow, as are rain shorts. Any-one who claims that cant see my would have to blind or fafing around doing other things like on the phone playing with the radio etc etc etc.

Theres muppets in every walk of life, walkers, cyclist, bikers, car drivers van drivers, lorry drivers etc etc.
 
Shouldn't you be in Switzerland this weekend? :shrug: :lol: ;)

Injury stops me racing at those distances any more. Besides those guys can ride like that uphills for short periods. :eek:
 
theres a cycle lane down the road from me, its too bumpy to ride even a slick tyred mtb on AND as it crosses a (very rarely used) railway and has railings to force the rider to stop, cross the lines (at a very acute angle) whereas on the road you can cross them at exactly the same angle with a little bunnyhop.


suprise suprise no one uses that bit of cycle lane.


the problem with alot of cycle lanes is that the council use them to either reduce the width of a road thats easily wide enough for cyclists to use safely anyway Or simply to waste the budget at the end of the tax year, these cycle lanes are obvious because when you actually get to a bit of road which would benefit from a cycle lane for safetys sake, the cycle lane stops.


it is annoying when there is a perfectly good cycle lane on the road thats smooth but the cyclist (usually the sort with those stupid hands forwards circuit type handlebars that offer absolutely no control against sidewinds etc and mean the cyclist weaves all over the road. DANGEROUS. i almost stopped one futher up a road and pointed out the fact that he weaved from one side of the cycle lane and then 3/4 of the way across the main carriageway without even looking for traffic and nearly embedded himself into the front of the transit i was driving. DANGEROUS!
 
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The sooner they are made responsible for their actions instead of the innocent motorists the better.

Yup - because there's no such thing as an idiot motorist is there? They're all perfect :bonk:
 
it is annoying when there is a perfectly good cycle lane on the road thats smooth but the cyclist (usually the sort with those stupid hands forwards circuit type handlebars that offer absolutely no control against sidewinds etc and mean the cyclist weaves all over the road. DANGEROUS. i almost stopped one futher up a road and pointed out the fact that he weaved from one side of the cycle lane and then 3/4 of the way across the main carriageway without even looking for traffic and nearly embedded himself into the front of the transit i was driving. DANGEROUS!

Now although i agreewith most of that original post, the bit above i do not agree with.

Those hands forward tpye handle bars fitted to TT, or Tri bikes are no more danagerious then any other road racing bike, use the handle bars to control a road racer you'l be of. 99% of all control of a road is done by core strength, unlike mountain bikes.

Also road bikes are so much lighter then mountain bikes they get effected far more by side winds.

What i would call into question is what wheels he had on it i.e shallow areo, deepdish areo, full disc, tri spoke. I had a full on TT, with a selection of all wheels, along with my current racer. Fit the right wheels for the conditions neither one is hard then the other to control in strong winds, full disc wheels are a complete nightmere if you get cross winds. Anyone struggling to control a TT bike needs to work on there core strength. :thumbs:
 
thanks for correcting me on that russ. however this chap was almost definetly not in safe control of his bike to be on a public road (id presumed that was to do with the handlebars but evidently not)
 
thanks for correcting me on that russ. however this chap was almost definetly not in safe control of his bike to be on a public road (id presumed that was to do with the handlebars but evidently not)

Chances are its someone with too much money, and not enough knowledge and skill. You find most TT bikes are sold with tri-spoke, or Deepdish areo wheels, which are very very very quick wheels by there design, but take alook at the wheels on this bike. http://www.evanscycles.com/products/trek/equinox-ttx-99-2010-triathlon-bike-ec020787 those deep rims act like a sale on a boat and will push the bike out on strong cross winds. Nothing you can ever do to prevent it either. I never used them if it was windy. Apart from being dangerious on the road, you lose all bennfit from them in windy conditions,
 
It doesn't matter if you wear dark clothes if you have bright enough lights :D

It amazes me, lights cost only a few pounds £10 and the most for basic lights. Yet people are willing to risk their life for that!
 
Don't get me started on the car bike law thing, I do A LOT of cycling mostly all mountain.

As for cyclist wearing black, I wear black along with a very bright yellow top and the world brightest light that money can buy. Riders who don't make them selves visible are just asking to be squashed. Don't get me started on roadies, there just a bit odd if you ask me.
 
And some cycling group wants to make it law so that they put all the blame on the motorist, regardless of circumstances.

This is being talked about on another forum I visit. One member from Copenhagen posted this:

"Motorists are legally responsible for collisions with children and elderly cyclists, even if they are jaywalking, cycling in the wrong direction, ignoring traffic signals, or otherwise behaving contrary to traffic regulations (German Federal Ministry of Transport, 2002; Netherlands Ministry of Transport, 2006). The priority legal status of non-motorists puts motorists on the defensive and forces them to drive with special attention to avoiding endangering cyclists and pedestrians."



Steve.
 
All it means is that a drivers insurance has to cover all the bills...

It`s about cutting the cost of RTC`S to the state.

Alternatively, make cyclists have third party liability.

And yep, I`m a cyclist.
 
All it means is that a drivers insurance has to cover all the bills...

It`s about cutting the cost of RTC`S to the state.

Alternatively, make cyclists have third party liability.

And yep, I`m a cyclist.

I'm both - however while I agree that insurance for cyclists is a great idea, (I used to have it, don't ride enough now) it's unenforcable unless all cycles are registered... which in itself is almost impossible, although it is done in some European and Scandinavian countries.
 
Don't go out much at night,as said it's a bit iffy, but the other night it was looking like a good sunset,so went down't prom .

coming back the light was nearly gone so lit all me lights.
5 red flashers on't back but only 3 on't front......well..........got to compete with the luminations ain't I...........:D:D
 
You cyclists need a proper set of lights. There's a set in the [cough]classifieds[cough] :bonk:
 
Your average cyclist = One of the biggest causes of pollution and traffic congestion, looks good in all the fashion gear and top of the range equipment, but still reckons it is ok to ride side by side on the roads and seems to think giving motorists some indication of their next maneuver is not a requirement of being on the road, even mum dad and the three kids on a Sunday afternoon ride are more responsible than the so called professionals. They do have their uses though, I enjoy watching them spin around on the spot when overtaking them :D
Imo you should all be on the footpaths with one of these

walking-bike-max-knight.jpg
 
it is such a dumb law. What next, the person with the higher IQ is at fault in a traffic collision?

Some cyclists cycle as though they want to be hit. You can't blame drivers for hitting them when they jump a red light without looking.

There simply needs to be a fair judgement in collisions and drivers should have to ride a bicycle or motorbike before being given a licence so they know what it is like to be in a more vulnerable road users position.
 
although its not easily workable i think that cyclists having insurance is the way forwards, after all you seem to need to have some level of insurance for alot of pass times these days, why should something thats capable of 30+ mph on a public road not be required to be insured or indeed licensed in any way shape or form
 
it is such a dumb law. What next, the person with the higher IQ is at fault in a traffic collision?

Some cyclists cycle as though they want to be hit. You can't blame drivers for hitting them when they jump a red light without looking.

There simply needs to be a fair judgement in collisions and drivers should have to ride a bicycle or motorbike before being given a licence so they know what it is like to be in a more vulnerable road users position.

Yeah totally agree, i have no problem with scaring the life out of cyclists that want to under take me in the van, or cut accross me, jumping the reds etc. The other thing that really bugs me is those who will ride on the road until traffic lights then jump to the pathon reds then jump back on the road once past. Traffic laws are for all of us to follow regardless of what your using.

although its not easily workable i think that cyclists having insurance is the way forwards, after all you seem to need to have some level of insurance for alot of pass times these days, why should something thats capable of 30+ mph on a public road not be required to be insured or indeed licensed in any way shape or form

Would be like trying to ban beer.
 
although its not easily workable i think that cyclists having insurance is the way forwards, after all you seem to need to have some level of insurance for alot of pass times these days, why should something thats capable of 30+ mph on a public road not be required to be insured or indeed licensed in any way shape or form

one alternative is to have house insurance policies that can be extended to cover bikes. Then they need no registration.
 
I wear a black cycling jacket with reflective strips. This is my choice as I'm fedup with light coloured jackets getting ruined by spray from the road.

I have two of the best rear lights you can buy on my bike, oner set on constant and the other flashing. I also have a high power front light. I could hardly see someone the other night in a fluorescent jacket, it was only his lights that made you realise he was there
 
First off I'm a cyclist (not someone who rides a bike-BIG difference) and it amazes me that more and more people are wearing black, (Rapha have a lot to answer for..)
I train in bright colours and always have flashing lights front and back, does it make a difference, well I always obey the rules of the road (and yes it is legal to ride 2 abreast) stop at red lights, signal etc etc and I've luckily only been knocked off once by a car.
In the past month alone I have had several very close encounters, mainly because motorists will not wait 2 seconds (last one a car accelerated past me and turned sharp left making me skid to a stop, driver told me to slow down?? Best one last month was someone threw an orange at me from their car (would they do that to someone walking down a street?) They didn't realise I can sprint at 1300W, soon caught them and explained that I'm only 6 foot away from banging my head and death, wish I'd taken there picture, faces were priceless.)

Had I been knocked off then my BCF insurance would have made a claim against the driver.

The majority of drivers are considerate who give cyclists enough room.The motorist/cyclist argument has been going on since I started racing 20 years ago (and probably longer) and hopefully one day a suitable agreement will be found but until then I wish motorists would look past the lycra and realise that there is a person on that bike, with maybe a mum, dad, dependents who will all be greatly affect by their actions. Most of the close encounters I have is due to impatience.

I agree a lot of cyclists/people who ride bikes break the law and I wish more of them got caught and fined, but please remember there are are lot of good cyclists (and car drivers) out there as well and we all share the road (Sorry James Martin and Matthew Parris, but that's the law) So please don't lump us all in with the idiots who ride on the pavement/ride with ipods/jump red lights/etc.
 
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Black alpaca was the required garb for an earlier generation of time-triallists, with their very early starts and aim to be inconspicuous.
 
First off I'm a cyclist (not someone who rides a bike-BIG difference) and it amazes me that more and more people are wearing black, (Rapha have a lot to answer for..)
I train in bright colours and always have flashing lights front and back, does it make a difference, well I always obey the rules of the road (and yes it is legal to ride 2 abreast) stop at red lights, signal etc etc and I've luckily only been knocked off once by a car.
In the past month alone I have had several very close encounters, mainly because motorists will not wait 2 seconds (last one a car accelerated past me and turned sharp left making me skid to a stop, driver told me to slow down?? Best one last month was someone threw an orange at me from their car (would they do that to someone walking down a street?) They didn't realise I can sprint at 1300W, soon caught them and explained that I'm only 6 foot away from banging my head and death, wish I'd taken there picture, faces were priceless.)

Had I been knocked off then my BCF insurance would have made a claim against the driver.

The majority of drivers are considerate who give cyclists enough room.The motorist/cyclist argument has been going on since I started racing 20 years ago (and probably longer) and hopefully one day a suitable agreement will be found but until then I wish motorists would look past the lycra and realise that there is a person on that bike, with maybe a mum, dad, dependents who will all be greatly affect by their actions. Most of the close encounters I have is due to impatience.

I agree a lot of cyclists/people who ride bikes break the law and I wish more of them got caught and fined, but please remember there are are lot of good cyclists (and car drivers) out there as well and we all share the road (Sorry James Martin and Matthew Parris, but that's the law) So please don't lump us all in with the idiots who ride on the pavement/ride with ipods/jump red lights/etc.

Well said. I concur with every word....:)
 
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