Quality of Photos for Critique gone downhill??

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Is it just me or are people noticing the quality/care of the images submitted for critique are getting quite poor?

I understand that some people are at the early stages, however it just seems that no thought has gone into many shoots?
Almost look like point and shoot with no care taken at all. I was going to add some constructive critique but decided otherwise. As I may sound rude.

Thoughts?
 
Is it just me or are people noticing the quality/care of the images submitted for critique are getting quite poor?

I understand that some people are at the early stages, however it just seems that no thought has gone into many shoots?
Almost look like point and shoot with no care taken at all. I was going to add some constructive critique but decided otherwise. As I may sound rude.

Thoughts?

I noticed a few of your comments on other threads... :D
I didn't feel like commenting on them.

Maybe it's the time of year?
 
I was talking about the quality of the images. Not the quality of comments or critique.

Not really a useful or related comment Ken.
 
Is it just me or are people noticing the quality/care of the images submitted for critique are getting quite poor?

I understand that some people are at the early stages, however it just seems that no thought has gone into many shoots?
Almost look like point and shoot with no care taken at all. I was going to add some constructive critique but decided otherwise. As I may sound rude.

Thoughts?

I was under the impression that the "Critique" section was open for anyone that wants to improve? I also doubt there are strict regulations to the level of "amazing" the photo needs to be..

We all started by pointing and shooting, I am quite sure even you did.. ;)
 
I was talking about the quality of the images. Not the quality of comments or critique.

Not really a useful or related comment Ken.

I wasn't talking about the quality of the comments, more the content of your comments.
To me, it seemed at the time that you were going through the motions of commenting - and then this thread turned up :)
You were polite and not critical, helpful even.
 
I noticed a few of your comments on other threads... :D
I didn't feel like commenting on them.

Maybe it's the time of year?

Edit: I didn't feel like commenting on the pics in the thread, not your comments.
 
I was under the impression that the "Critique" section was open for anyone that wants to improve? I also doubt there are strict regulations to the level of "amazing" the photo needs to be..

We all started by pointing and shooting, I am quite sure even you did.. ;)

This.

There are all levels of photographers on here... from beginner through to advanced / pro. But you'll find that the pro's don't post that much. They're pretty happy and confident with what they can do and their results. They don't want or need critique. It's the people that are learning that tend to post the most... learning... Clue's in the word. That's why they post for critique.

And then there's also a few show offs who post just to...well, show off. :) (said with a light-hearted chuckle)
 
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Oooo oooo... and then you get the ones that post for critique, and then get all perturbed when you give them constructive crit, disagree with everything that's said and then take their ball home. They're always fun. :D
 
Oooo oooo... and then you get the ones that post for critique, and then get all perturbed when you give them constructive crit, disagree with everything that's said and then take their ball home. They're always fun. :D

The only thing that bothers me with those is there is no video function to see the foot stomps :D
 
Oooo oooo... and then you get the ones that post for critique, and then get all perturbed when you give them constructive crit, disagree with everything that's said and then take their ball home. They're always fun. :D

ah, the "Delicate Blooms" and "Special Snowflakes"... yes, always good to raise a smile, if I'm in the right kind of mood...
 
I understand everyone has to start somewhere. But I feel the effort even by the beginners has dropped.
 
If it's dropped I think it's a result of quality of comments dropping.

I see a lot of "nice shot" type comments here. I make them myself quite often, but I see them on images that are not really "nice shots." There is no such thing as a perfect image, so there will always be something that could be improved upon, but I also see people who do offer critique get accused of "nit-picking" or similar. If everyone just thought of critique as a gift, and it's up to the OP to decide whether or not to accept it, then I'm sure the quality of comments would improve. If you don't agree with someone's critique, then just say why you don't agree with it and offer an alternative. Don't slate whoever posted it, as long as they were posting their honest opinion.

There was a recent thread that "kicked off" because someone noticed an anomaly that was likely down to the jpeg conversion. It wasn't immediately obvious but was definitely there, and all hell broke loose because some thought it was a slight on the photographer's abilities. It wasn't, it was just a comment to highlight the image wasn't being presented as well as it could have been and was fully justified. Thankfully many people agreed with the comment, but several others were saying "what does it matter?" Well this is a Photography Forum, of course it matters! We are all aiming for perfection, be it artistically or otherwise, even though we all know that perfection will never be achievable.

And while I'm on this merry little rant, another thing that winds me up is when people are defensive about critique offered. You hear it quite often in the wildlife threads, things like "yeah but I couldn't go and tell the bear how to pose could I?" Well no, obviously you can't walk up to a bear and get it to pose as you want, but you can wait around a bit longer until it does pose nicely for you, or go out and try again the next day, and the next day until it does pose nicely for you. Far too often I see OPs replying to critical comments with "Thanks, but..." without really thinking that the negative comment was raised for a reason, and that in all likely hood is something that can indeed be improved upon if you just tried a bit harder.

Anyway, rant over. I went and searched some of the threads you have commented on and I have to say I spotted the ones you are referring to and completely agree. If they are new here then there is a "beginner" tag (indeed a whole section) they can use to let help people target their critique and advice accordingly. If they haven't used it, then let loose and say what you think. If they throw their toys out the pram and storm off then that's their loss. The ones that will take the critique and post something the next day to show how they've attempted to overcome the issues are the ones that are worth spending your time on.
 
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I understand everyone has to start somewhere. But I feel the effort even by the beginners has dropped.

I think the thing to remember is that now-a-days you get people from all walks of live and age feeling the urge to take "nice" photos..

If my mom where to retire and feel the urge to take up photography as a hobby I can imagine that it'll take a lot more for her to get to grips with it then say a fast thinking 30's something person.

Opinions are always relative and the person asking for critique might have a completely different view on "professional photography" as you..
 
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I think the thing to remember is that now-a-days you get people from all walks of live and age feeling the urge to take "nice" photos..

If my mom where to retire and feel the urge to take up photography as a hobby I can imagine that it'll take a lot more for her to get to grips with it then say a fast thinking 30's something person.

Opinions are always relative and the person asking for critique might have a completely different view on "professional photography" as you..
While I agree with the sentiment, honest critique should just be that and not personal in any way. Often images are posted without any details about the photographer or any difficulties they have had to overcome. In some respects that's the way it should be as we would be doing them a disservice by holding back on critique because they may be "too old" or "too young." People, in general, are far more capable than they believe or we give them credit for.
 
Interesting thread this. I haven't spent much time on the critique section for some time now but have picked up my visits again in recent weeks, even posted a shot up in the portrait section the other day for comments. Being completely honest, I agree with the OP - when I compare the quality of images to those when I last frequented the forums probably around 2 years ago I would agree that there are quite a few that aren't as high a standard as they were. That said, I also wholeheartedly agree with this comment:-

There are all levels of photographers on here... from beginner through to advanced / pro. But you'll find that the pro's don't post that much. They're pretty happy and confident with what they can do and their results. They don't want or need critique. It's the people that are learning that tend to post the most... learning... Clue's in the word. That's why they post for critique.

In this world of improving cameras and technology, I think we are simply in a place now where many more people find the door to photography even more open than it was before so are willing and able to have a dabble. With that increased dabbling comes more 'beginners' wanting to get a feel of how good or bad they really are.
 
So if i don't post any images for critique, does that mean I am s**t or a pro?
 
Is it just me or are people noticing the quality/care of the images submitted for critique are getting quite poor?

On the surface that seems a sweeping generalisation ... are you suggesting this is widespread across the forums or are you speaking in regard to a specific genre?
 
Is it just me or are people noticing the quality/care of the images submitted for critique are getting quite poor?

I understand that some people are at the early stages, however it just seems that no thought has gone into many shoots?
Almost look like point and shoot with no care taken at all. I was going to add some constructive critique but decided otherwise. As I may sound rude.

Thoughts?

  • Post up something better then. Inspire people.
  • Help them improve.
  • Do nothing.

Pretty much it.

Yes, the quality of images is low but people have to start somewhere.

IMO opinion.. the quality of images has been declining for years. Digital has a lot to answer for. So many people think they're great these days. Give 'em a roll of film though, and they'll soon realise they're also s**t.


The problem is the rush to proceed that digital promotes. People dive straight in shoot a load of crap and then start processing it to death and they've not even thought about the basics. Most people on here don't even think about WHAT they're shooting... they think it's all capture and processing. When beginners post up images with problems more often that not someone will suggest how to correct it in post... and every time that happens a little piece of my photographer's soul dies.



Most people are crap... always have been... it's just easier to hide how crap you are with digital.


What's your point?
 
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We have already discussed the "People have to start somewhere" that's obvious.

It was more about the quality and the care/basics of images uploaded that are my point.

You have a point about people over editing their images, yes they are worrying more about the editing than the actual basics of the image itself.

I do offer critique when possible and I do post images in occasions.

Matt
 
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To be honest, I think your assertion is wrong. The photographs on this site are, more often than not, interesting and arresting.
 
Most people are crap... always have been... it's just easier to hide how crap you are with digital.

HAHA... thanks for the Saturday morning chuckle! You never fail to disappoint!

I think this is a very touchy subject, and kind of insulting to a lot of people. This forum has never been touted as 'professionals only' and has always been very welcoming to all levels of photographer.
 
To be honest, I think your assertion is wrong. The photographs on this site are, more often than not, interesting and arresting.

Maybe your standards are set low then.

Because I have seen some shockers on here recently. People should be more honest and stop praising bad photos. Nobody will up there game if this happens. All you will do is encourage them to post Rubbish.
 
Maybe your standards are set low then.

Because I have seen some shockers on here recently. People should be more honest and stop praising bad photos. Nobody will up there game if this happens. All you will do is encourage them to post Rubbish.
Then your issue is with the quality of critique essentially.
 
Maybe there should be a given format for how critique comments are structured and everyone follow that structure when posting? Something like:

1. Composition
2. Sharpness/DOF etc..
3. Post Processing
4. Overall success of the shot
5. Other comments

That was just shooting from the hip but you get what I mean. That would hopefully stop the meaningless comments and provide the photographer with what he or she is actually asking for?
 
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Maybe your standards are set low then.

Because I have seen some shockers on here recently. People should be more honest and stop praising bad photos. Nobody will up there game if this happens. All you will do is encourage them to post Rubbish.

Out of interest (and I really can't be arsed to search), are there images here of your own that we can critique?
 
Maybe your standards are set low then.

Because I have seen some shockers on here recently. People should be more honest and stop praising bad photos. Nobody will up there game if this happens. All you will do is encourage them to post Rubbish.
I'd personally welcome critique on, all of my photos. As you say, how else will I learn? I actually really like when someone takes the time to point out an area where I can improve and almost without exception, I agree with what is said and try to take it on board for my next shots.

I've not judged the quality of submissions or noticed this downturn in quality but it does sound like your standards are higher than most, Matt.
 
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A lot of people are putting very little thought into self-editing or thinking about their images before posting for critique, and to that extent I can agree with Matt. A greater degree of self reflection before posting would improve the overall critique experience for everyone. But at the same time, the wider TP community generally doesn't appreciate anything that doesn't fit an accepted Practical Photography cliche anyway.
 
Well if I had taken as a good a photo as most of those posted on here I would be very excited.
 
Look I don't think you understand my OP. It may sound a bit harsh. But I was just saying how the quality has dropped. People on here are too worried about leaving negative critique because of the OP's reaction. I have seen awful images being praised and better images being slaughtered. Just my view.
 
Look I don't think you understand my OP. It may sound a bit harsh. But I was just saying how the quality has dropped. People on here are too worried about leaving negative critique because of the OP's reaction. I have seen awful images being praised and better images being slaughtered. Just my view.
So it's as much about the consistency than the quality of the photographs?

I do agree that praise where it is NOT due is pretty pointless.
 
Well said, Tom;)! Me too! (Re post #36)
 
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Out of interest (and I really can't be arsed to search), are there images here of your own that we can critique?

What will me posting my images achieve?

Feel free to view them on here. Probably not to everyone's taste but I put time, though and effort into them and thats all that matters.
 
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