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Hi Guys,

Just looking for some feedback on these images, shot my first products yesterday. I have not touched these whatsoever EXIF is still intact they are out of camera genuinely.

One SB600 bare fired at back of product, one 900 in brolly.

Hoping to get more work out of this so feedback needed to improve.


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Im not sure if its your hosting but they seem poor quality.

The lighting i think is fine, but im no product photographer.

If the quality is there then im sure they are fine.
 
Yes not been resharpned for web etc so I guess they will look soft, Glad the lighting looks good to you :)
 
The lighting isn't fine. The light from behind has caused severe overexposure at the edges, creating loss of detail and I think I can see some flare there too, lowering contrast and reducing apparent resolution.

This type of lighting needs much better lighting tools. Your first step is to buy (or better still make) a honeycomb for your backlight - there are plenty of threads on this subject - which will help you to prevent uncontrolled light and flare. I also question the use of an umbrella at the front, this again is very likely to create flare, although it MAY work with such small subjects because it can be placed behind the camera.
 
The lighting doesn't show off the product that well. My fave is the last image. With the others, it looks like you've perfectly lit the background but not thought about lighting the product itself.

I don't like the jewellery boxes - they don't add anything
 
Hi Bruce, you need to use a reflector at the front of the items to remove the shadow being cast from the lighting

the background looks right

Andy
 
Guys, the background is not right at all, it's the background that is causing the problems!

I agree with Garry the lighting is far from fine. As a product shot it lacks finesse. In the first one there is virtually no detail in the product, it took me a moment to realise what it was and the colours are not being brought out well at all. There is a lack of fine edge detail on the left of the box where there is so much light coming forward.

It's the "Too much light coming forward" that is causing the problems as the camera is struggling to get any real detail in the product thanks to the flare.

You see the same problem with people shot on white backgrounds where the background lighting it overcooked and starts to come forward and wrap around the subject, you lose the fine edge detail (I've been listening Garry :))

Another way to tackle it might be do do it the same way as lighting people on a white background and that is to point the back light at the background and overexpose that a little while lighting your product from the front. Just a scaled down version of a typical white background people shot?

Is that a good idea for product Garry?
 
Lots of feedback thank you,

Ali would a flagged flash work to stop the flare coming forward?
 
Possibly. As you have the light coming forwards towards the camera it's always going to be a problem and as Garry says a grid helps to control the spread of light and means you can hit your target much more effectively without the light spilling into the path of the lens causing flare.

My alternative idea involves lighting the background independantly from the subject like you would a portrait, and yes you could then effectively flag the flash to get on the background and off the product, but I'm unsure if this would be a recommended way to shoot a product. That's Garry's expertise! :)
 
I didn't know I had a 1-woman fan club here, all I normally get is abusive emails:) and there's one particular gentleman who sends PM's to people thinking about buying Lencarta lights, warning them against lencarta or me:shake:

Back to the point:
Yes, the background IN ANY KIND OF PHOTOGRAPHY is a separate subject and needs to be lit separately, and in the case of a white background it needs to be far enough away from the subject for light reflected from the subject to have no effect on the subject itself.

Now, there are ways of producing acceptable results even when the background is closer than it should be, including using the absolute minimum of light on the background, getting the background illumination absolutely even and flagging off the light to minimise the effect it has on the subject - but these workarounds require knowledge, care and skill and it's much easier just to have plenty of space.
One of my friends, who I consider to be one of the very best studio photographers in the world - certainly in the top 10 - says that 6 metres of space is needed behind the subject. He had that amount of space (and more) in his old studio, he doesn't have it now so won't do white backgrounds. I'm not sure that I entirely agree with that but I do respect his opinion.

Back to the specific question...
The OP has now emailed me the original files. These confirm my original thoughts, i.e. poor resolution caused by flare. He has also asked me some questions, here are the answers.

1. Light the background separately, don't rely on one light to do more than one job.
2. Yes, if you do want to backlight you will definately need a honeycomb on the light. Putting a flag on the flash will help but it will be nowhere near a complete answer. You can make up a honeycomb from black straws or similar, although it would be easier to use a studio flash.
3. Reduce the level of the backlight to the bare minimum, it's supposed to make the subject 'lift' from the background, nothing more.
4. A softbox would be a better choice than an umbrella because the lighting from a softbox is more controlled than from an umbrella and doesn't bounce around as much unwanted light, which again can create flare.
5. Make sure you use a lens hood to prevent flare/increase image contrast. I may be wrong but I believe that flare and overexposure on the sides of the boxes has created totally wrong colours on the boxes/products.
6. Do you really need to photograph these items in their boxes? The boxes are pretty ordinary and don't seem to me to add anything to the perception of quality.
7. If you really do need to show the boxes, do you really need to show the tops of the boxes? We know that they have a top and personally I don't see any need to show it. If you don't need to show it you can have the camera much lower, this will make the subjects look much more imposing. If you really do need to show the tops, then correct the perspective distortion in PS - not as good as using a large format camera, but cheaper:)
8. Introduce a black aborber card to create black reflections in the jewellery, especially the glass pieces. This really makes jewellery 'pop'
9. Consider using black absorber cards at the sides of the boxes, if they need to be there, to create a dark line. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having dark edges, shadows and reflections. The trick is to control them, not to avoid them.
10. Spend nearly 6 quid on my still life lighting tutorial
 
lol at the one woman fan club!

Even if I'm not active in a thread I do always read what you have to say Garry because it makes sense!

Learning how to do it right is always a good thing in my book and I can now happily deconstruct most images I come across. That's a great way of learning how to do it and can be done from the comfort of your own armchair.

There are some scenarios that I come across where I still get a bit perplexed and I've also found that it's a whole lot easier when you are not having to do it yourself! :)

I have a shoot coming up in a fortnight where I have to try to light a bride on a staircase. No problem, I should be able to do that.....except I need to retain as much of the architecture as I can so I need to keep the lights out of shot. Now that's giving me nightmares! lol
 
I didn't know I had a 1-woman fan club here, all I normally get is abusive emails:) and there's one particular gentleman who sends PM's to people thinking about buying Lencarta lights, warning them against lencarta or me:shake:

The "gentleman" needs to sort his life out.
 
Garry....Thank you for the very comprehensive answer. As always still learning all this stuff.

I will say though, the colours are good, client is happy with them. I hope to produce better images next time around

Off to get a honeycomb!
 
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