Probably one of the dumbest flash questions...EVER!!!

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OK, so just myself a 430EX II and having a quick play (ie, pressing loads of buttons, not having a clue what they do!).

Anyway, question is this....

If I take a shot with flash turned off, the shutter speed is 1/6th. Turn the flash on and the shutter speed is 1/6th.
I would have thought that having the flash on would significantly reduce the shutter speed (I am shooting in AV mode).

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That's perfectly normal and it's brill that it does that. It's because you're in AV Mode where the camera credits you with the sense to know that you really do want to use your flash with that slow shutter speed, which you can. Using shutter speeds slower than the flash sync speed is referred to as 'Slow flash sync' or 'dragging the shutter' It's really useful for interior shots where you can meter for the ambient light (slow shutter speed) but the flash will just provide fill for a far better exposed scene overall. You need to watch out for subject movement obviously, and may well need to use a tripod.

If you use Auto or 'P' mode then the camera will automatically set the flash sync speed.
 
what make of camera?

430EXII is a Canon flash so I'm guessing it's a Canon body....or maybe that's the problem.....you are using a Canon body aren't you??! :thinking:

I'm a bit sketchy on flashguns myself but have you tried setting the flashgun to the e-ttl setting? I think if it's on Manual mode then the settings between the two devices won't change.....or I might be talking a load of crapola!! :shrug:

EDIT: CT beat me to it with a far better answer! :thumbs:
 
Thanks guys....
Yes, I'm using a Canon 43EX II on a Canon 40D!
I'll have another play and try out "P"

Can anyone recommend any Idoits Guides to Canon flash (web or print)?
 
Thanks guys....
Yes, I'm using a Canon 43EX II on a Canon 40D!
I'll have another play and try out "P"
'P' is actually really easy when you use a flash -the camera in P mode will make a pretty good job of balancing ambient light and flash in good light out-of-doors with no help from you as long as you set the flash on ETTL. Many wedding pros unashamedly use 'P' for exterior shots.

The problems start when you move indoors where the light is poorer.You'll find that as soon as the camera detects a low light situation it will 'assume' flash will be your main or sole source of illimuination and set the flash sync speed which is usually around 1/60th. The problem with this is that your expensive DSLR will now behave just like a point and shoot compact and produce those interior flash shots with the room in darkness behind the subjects - the sort of shots taken in pubs by happy snappers every weekend.There's things you can do like diffusing the flash or bouncing it off a wall or ceiling, but selecting AV gives you full control of the shutter speeds and allows you to balance the ambient light with the flash.
 
On the 40D there is a custom function to force the camera to use 1/250th sync speed as soon as the flash is charged, if that's what you want.

HTH

David
 
....but selecting AV gives you full control of the shutter speeds and allows you to balance the ambient light with the flash.

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am), but Av controls aperture, not shutter speed. If shutter speed control is needed, then surely you need to be in Tv mode?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am), but Av controls aperture, not shutter speed. If shutter speed control is needed, then surely you need to be in Tv mode?

LOL Fair question. In AV Mode you select the aperture which remains constant, and the camera selects the shutter speed, changing it constantly to keep that aperture. In TV Mode, you select the shutter speed and the camera varies the aperture to maintain that shutter speed.

It's not really shutter speed control that you're seeking - it's the ability to use shutter speeds below the flash sync speed to allow you to balance flash with ambient. In AV Mode the camera will do that automatically in low light levels

You could of course set TV Mode and select a slow shutter speed. The only differencei s that as the ambient light changes around the room the aperture will now vary rather than the shutter speed which has an effect on DOF

The advantage of using AV is that the camera will always select the fastest shutter speed it can as the light changes and you tend to be at or below the limit of safe hand holding for these type of indoor shots, so any increase in shutter speed helps (a) hand holding and (b) combat subject movement during the ambient part of the exposure.
 
Just to confirm, on the 40D, Av will select the shutter speed for ambient light exposure, according to the f/number and ISO. The flash moderates power to match f/number and ISO. That's the default setting - there is also a custom function which locks the shutter speed at 1/250sec when you select Av, if you want.

On P, it works the same way except the shutter speed will only drop to match the ambient as low as 1/60sec. The camera then decides that it is preferable to let the background go dark, rather than risk subject blur in the background.

Couple of things: Av is usually the favourite mode and it's a doddle to change the image brightness, if the camera's auto result doesn't suit. To lighten/darken the flash, adjust the +/- compensation on the gun (moderates flash power); to lighten/darken the background, adjust the +/- compensation on the camera (moderates shutter speed). With a bit of practise, it takes seconds to get any kind of brightness ratio you want. Sorted :thumbs:

If the subject is off-centre, this can fool the flash which then tries to expose for the background, resulting in over exposure of the main foreground subject. So point the camera at the subject, press the FEL button (flash exposure lock) which will fire the pre-flash and set the exposure correctly. Then re-compose and shoot - flash fires at the correct locked setting (see handbook).

When using flash outdoors for fill-in when it's bright, the camera will sometimes want to run higher than the max x-sync of 1/250sec. Just switch the flash to High Speed Sync (HSS) and it increases the light output duration to cover the full shutter cycle. You lose a bit of range this way, but that's not a problem if the subject is reasonably close. In fact you can just leave the flash switched permanently to HSS and it will automatically engage when the shutter speed goes over 1/250sec, and disengage when it drops back again.
 
I normal set the camera to manual, 1/125th shutter speed, F8 and let the flash do the work ;)
 
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