Predicting a calm river?

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I know this sounds like such a silly question...
But do you guys have any hints or tips on predicting a nice calm river for reflections?

I obviously know wind has an effect on this... But what other factors change this?
Is it something to do with the tide. Will high tide result in a calmer river? Or is it the point between high and low tide switching?
I never ever seem to get lucky with calm waters, or is it just luck of the draw?

Many thanks

Andy
 
Depending how far up-river you are there will be no flow in either direction at high tide for a few minutes and that will be when the surface is likely to be calmest on any given day.
 
The best time of day is at sunrise as the sun isn't high enough to start local air moving. In autumn and winter sunset would do it too.

Ideally be in a high pressure weather system so there is less of a pressure gradient moving the air.
 
In my expierance as an angler and photographer an Ebb tide flows faster than an incoming tide. Wind is a big factor (as said above) but also elevation , if you have a gradual incline in the field/road its naturally going to increase the flow (Ebb) Would a long exposure help?
 
Thanks guys. I'll keep an eye on wind speeds for the future and see how tide effects the flow of the river.
Long exposure does work to some extent, it gives the much calmer river, and the reflection is almost a dull reflection of the lights casted but not a reflection as such...
Almost like a dull tin foil reflection instead of a glass reflection!

Thanks

Andy
 
Depending how far up-river you are there will be no flow in either direction at high tide for a few minutes and that will be when the surface is likely to be calmest on any given day.


I'm going to be a bit pedantic here and say that the incoming tide will stop pushing salt water up river around high tide but the fresh water flowing downstream may still move the water!
 
I'm going to be a bit pedantic here and say that the incoming tide will stop pushing salt water up river around high tide but the fresh water flowing downstream may still move the water!
Aye, but...

Anything floating on the surface (dead sheep, traffic cones etc.) will stop moving at the top of the tide.:D

Of course, if the river is in flood all bets are off!
 
Having grown up on the Hudson River, the smoothest water surface on it was always at Sunrise if there was little to no wind and no river traffic all night. The tide does affect the Hudson almost all the way to Albany, NY, but an outgoing / falling tide is a bit smoother than incoming flood tides. I live a very long ways from there now.

Charley
 
When I originally asked this I felt a bit silly... But it seems like a science predicting these things haha.
 
A mixture of science and luck!
 
Have you looked at the rule of twelfths, tides ?
Remember the magic numbers 1; 2; 3; 3; 2; 1
Extremes of weather and barometric pressure will alter any predictions, that's when local knowledge comes in handy
Rule of twelfths
 
Back about 1956-1960 I was spending my Summers, mostly on the Hudson River in NY. In 1959 I bought, and then extensively modified, a small wooden 3 point hydroplane that had been designed and built for use with a 10-15 hp outboard motor. But my modifications were to convert it into a hydrocart, a floating version of a racing go cart. I installed two McColough MC-10 chain saw engines chain driven through centrifugal clutches to the inboard propeller shaft with one racing type propeller and a DIY rudder made from brass. A close friend of mine was racing modified go carts and I was helping him modify his engines, so made two for myself. The engines were heavily modified for use on go carts, which included two carburetors on each engine. they were set up to burn alcohol and nitro methane like the pro dragsters. Dymo tests on engines configured this way showed that they produced 30-35 hp each at 18-20,000 rpm, so much of my modifications to the hydroplane involved significant strengthening of the design and lots of fiberglass.

It was absolutely necessary that the river be almost dead flat before I could put my hydrocart on the water and use it. 70-90 mph and sometimes 100 mph was possible, but only on near glass flat water. I'm surprised that I lived through some of the incidents that I had with that thing and I sold it the end of Summer Season in 1960. This was the reason why I studied the river and looked for when it would be dead calm. I could never use the hydrocart unless it was dead calm. So this was the only reason and time when I studied the river and attempted to predict when the water would be calm and I could use my hydrocart.

I just thought you all might find my reason for studying the river and it's wave patterns interesting. Although I was into photography back then, my reasons for studying the river had absolutely nothing to do with photography. Doing things FAST was mostly the only thing on my mind back then. I'm actually a bit surprised that I lived through my FAST times.

Charley
 
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Have you looked at the rule of twelfths, tides ?
Remember the magic numbers 1; 2; 3; 3; 2; 1
Extremes of weather and barometric pressure will alter any predictions, that's when local knowledge comes in handy
Rule of twelfths


You'll have to explain that one ...... (for me anyway)! :thinking:
 
@jerry12953
It's to do with what % of rise or fall of the tidal height
LOOK
1st hour one twelfth; 2nd hour two twelfths etc
So for tidal water to be at it's calmest High water and 30 minutes each side; likewise Low water

I was into yachting, in the Irish Sea and surrounding area it was quite important
hope this helps
 
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