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Kodiak Qc

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Yes
— This project was cooked quite some time ago and now I think
it stayed on the ice long enough!
This picture was taken by a student of mine that properly, duly and rightfully
released it for this thread & exercise, and is aware of its existance saying:
"I will follow that, this is an exciting idea!"

This is not a competition…
but a skills improvement /learning thread!

I don't intend or pretend to teach anything as I hope members will share
their tips, progression, techniques… I will not, nor the student of mine
(anonymously), participate otherwise than with words as I plan to propose
my rendition some time in the future.

At shutter release, you have recorded data of what was shot but this
shot will be really yours only after it went through your PP workflow,
which is unique to each of us. The difference is very important & there
is no right or wrong… it's all a matter of personal choices and taste!

How to participate:
Just download the RAW file and give it a go!
When ever you want, post your "at this point" effort /result in this thread and,
of course, you may update as often as you want, and in as many version as
you want.

Who can participate:
You maybe?

Restrictions:
None whatsoever!
All artistic intents and interpretations are welcomed.

Why this shot?
Because it is not a UK image. This scene was taken in the USA, so no
one will have cultural reference or any familiarity to it.
 
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Ok I'll fall for it ... quick attempt


That was a quickie, Roger! …but I'm sure you are a
lot more resourceful, so turn it into say a "wall ready"

masterpiece of interior decoration.
 


That was a quickie, Roger! …but I'm sure you are a
lot more resourceful, so turn it into say a "wall ready"

masterpiece of interior decoration.

That would probably require an entirely different image to work with to start. Something about turd polishing?
 
turd polishing


The idea, Glenn, is

all starting with the same image,
• posting and comparing their progresses with others on the thread,
• tweaking their own results with good things done by other posters

…each poster having total liberty over his/her own artistic intent and
rendition outcome.

Give it a go!
 
as it is you

…flattered, but why me?

Your attempt is quite different!
You reduced the dynamic range which gives it a washed out old look,
tweaked the contrast and maybe added some clarity… whatever!

What would / could you do more, Owen, to make it a "wall ready" evocative
and n
arrative masterpiece of interior decoration?

 
…flattered, but why me?

Your attempt is quite different!
You reduced the dynamic range which gives it a washed out old look,
tweaked the contrast and maybe added some clarity… whatever!

What would / could you do more, Owen, to make it a "wall ready" evocative
and n
arrative masterpiece of interior decoration?
Always admired your Style @Kodiak Qc hence getting involved ;-)

shoot it on a Sony lol...... to me it feels a rather older scene ( probably cultural differences) so went for the older more vintage edit to me it feels right possibly a nice monochrome edit would of also with correct drl....
 
So you ask people to edit an image as they choose and then criticise them when they do ?

Nice work Kojak.
 
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Always admired your Style, hence getting involved
Very kind of you Owen, thanks!
feels a rather older scene ( probably cultural differences)
That was a point in the descriptive, not many UK or européens
members may have a cultural link to it so it is neutral "ground".

… and, I swear, no one has to justify anything! Just be creative at
it and see what you could learn from other posters sharing views,
techniques and what not. Have a good time!
 
So you ask people to edit an image as they choose and then criticise them when they do?


No way, Mike!

I started the thread but the posters will compare their
techniques and approaches, enjoy the great multitude
of possible directions and artistic intents.

I may make some suggestions, just like anyone else but
no critique from me!
 
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Go on then, for a bit of fun.


Ok Simon! …but would you see it on a wall somewhere?
…maybe your living-room?

My student told me…
— "I shot that oven the weekend at the neighbour, can you do
something with it?"

I did and it is now hanging on the office wall!
 
If I wanted something on my wall I wouldn't start with this picture.



That is the sense of the exercise!
Take something that is insignificant to you and, through
your artistic intent, make it significant!
 
I suspect we are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to inerpreting artistic intent. For me, the artistic intent is present before the picture is taken.

As an exercise in comparing people's approach to processing, and as a bit of fun, this is a good exercise.

That's it for me, I'm afraid.
 
In Lightroom, just a +ve shift (1 stop) in exposure and slight boost in clarity. Biggest issue is the level or lack of. Also converging lines needed addressing, so correction using 'Adaptive Wide Angle' filter in photoshop.


 


So far, Martin, I see your keystoning as very successful!
Don't stop there, explore…
 
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Mod edit: If you don't wish to take part, that's fine but don't disrupt the thread.
 
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To be fair with something like this you need a decent picture to engage others to want to have a play. You don't have that here, it's a fire place with half a chair crammed to close, half a sideboard, a bottom of a picture frame or mirror, it's a cluttered mess really, not a great deal can be done with it.
There used to be quite a popular 'how would you edit this' thread... But you post your editing steps and the person whose image it is decides on the best edit, winner then chooses an image to post..... Try searching for it

Also I'm still unsure why you are posting one of your students images AGAIN, you was asked not too?!.....
 
To be fair with something like this you need a decent picture
What is a decent picture?
you are posting one of your students images AGAIN
Yes, the context is different.
This is a PP exercise thread for the members.
Sorry Kodiak, gotta agreed.
Alright, maybe this exercise is too challenging with this shot.


So here is the rendition I made of it… which I did not intend to
post until the other members had a fair time and chance to work
on it.
BEST SEEN ON LARGER SCREEN!
http://www.kodiakmedia.at/TP4/MH%208984pp.jpg
 
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Okay, I guess I'll play...

I'll be honest, this image made my OCD hurt, there was just so much that irritated my sensibilities in the whole arrangement.

Much as it hurt to lose the lovely copper arts and crafts style hinges on the "sideboard" to frame left, there wasn't enough of the furniture piece to anchor it in the photo, so losing that was a given.

Same pretty much went for the chair leg to frame right - irritatingly it also cut into the hearth corner, and window frame, so again, the cropping decision for me was easily made for frame right.

The Lamp on the mantlepeice looked to be an interesting item, but again, had been cut off by the shooter, plus there was an ugly white plastic switch box to the fore of the lamp, so cropping was definitely going to lose everything from the mantle upwards.

But, looking at the picture from an architectural shot point of view, it was also obvious that the camera hadn't been set up square to the plane of the wall - from the exif it was a Canon 7D, with EF 24-105L @ 28mm, so there's no lens "movements" involved - at 28mm with that lens on a crop body, I wasn't over worried by "fish-eyeing", simply by the sensor plane not being on the same parallel as the wall... Looks like a bit of an experiment in "lens corrections" then...

Fire up CS5...

To preserve edges, I extended the "canvas" by a thousand or so pixels all around - nice clean white border. Use the "ruler" tool to set the mantleshelf (for want of a "datum" as being level) - simply as a starting point. Then manipulated the Vertical and Horizontal perspective sliders until the horizontals/verticals were a little closer to the grid overlay. Ruler tool again, and repeat, until I was happy. Took maybe three iterations until I realised that there were parts of the fireplace that simply weren't BUILT square, or were broken and on the wonk (like the "ash bar" at the front...) So it was going to be an exercise in getting it to look "good, if not quite correct"...

At this point I did an initial crop, simply to lose the areas that were blank after the (quite strong) deformations that had been applied. It became clear that I was really down to using just the fireplace as its own frame.

Okay, cropping decisions made, and onto the actual "look" of the shot. I decided to go for a relatively subdued approach - small tweaks to brightness (23)/contrast(15), Vibrance (+19) and Saturation (+6) livened up the shot from it's initial flat appearance, without going completely over the top.

Sharpening of the shot was done by copying the edited layer, converting the copy to a black and white-optimised for contrast in as many areas as possible (so not a particularly pleasant black and white image, just a means to an end) then applying a "high pass" filter to the B&W... The resulting wierd looking greyscale image, when used as a "overlay" on the initial edited layer effectively gives a sharpening effect - which can be changed by altering the "overlay" from "overlay" to soft ligh", Hard Light, Vivid Light etc., and can also be tweaked via the opacity sliders (or, indeed via masks, to allow selective degrees of sharpening) It's a very versatile method of sharpening an image, and is often more tolerant of high ISO noise (the original being shot at iso 2000!) than typical sharpening strategies... it's something I learned of when working with film images, as it allows sharpening of film shots without turning the "grain" into something approaching a picture shot during a hailstorm...

Anyway... Nearly there I think... I'm missing the brief, as there's still no way it'd end up being a wall-hanger for me, but maybe someone would prefer it to the original...

Then I realised what was still really irritating me was the missing bit of the cast iron on the fireplace. So, I did my best to copy, clone, and flip the missing bit from the RHS of the fireplace, and added it in... If it had been for a paying client, I may have taken a little more time over this step, but at least it stopped one bit of my OCD tweaking a little.

So, that's pretty much what I did.

What's that you say -
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Okay... here goes - my humble effort.



(Click through and you should be able to get the full sized version...)
 
And to be fair, I think that this WAS an ideal picture to show peoples abilities and differing approaches, primarily BECAUSE it had so much wrong with it!

Sometimes, the hardest thing to learn is to spot a good picture - either in situ... by re-arranging the furniture a little bit, getting your camera into the right place on a tripod, turning down the bloody ISO to get rid of some of the grain, hiding the incongruous stuff like the switch box on the lamp et.al. OR - in recognising that in a unpromising image there could well be something usable, and by a bit of work, and a bit of thought, you can bring out a hidden gem or two...
 
Okay, I guess I'll play...


That's the spirit, Mark!

Cool, man, you found and replaced the missing part! :)
The flipping, really necessary?

Apparently, we shared some elements in the interpretation!
And to be fair, I think that this WAS an ideal picture to show peoples abilities and differing approaches, primarily BECAUSE it had so much wrong with it!

Sometimes, the hardest thing to learn is to spot a good picture - either in situ... by re-arranging the furniture a little bit, getting your camera into the right place on a tripod, turning down the bloody ISO to get rid of some of the grain, hiding the incongruous stuff like the switch box on the lamp et.al. OR - in recognising that in a unpromising image there could well be something usable, and by a bit of work, and a bit of thought, you can bring out a hidden gem or two...

Thank you for that Mark! … you have understood me very well.
…wanna be my lawyer? :)
 
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Meah, I dunno it was quite nice to work on something different.....

If I was really going to get into it I'd straighten everything up and clone out the chair etc.. as it stands this is just my attempt to clean up colours, perspective and NR etc without really moving bits of the image around... I imagine it will look just like everybody elses :D

edit by Jonny Henchman, on Flickr
 
To be fair with something like this you need a decent picture to engage others to want to have a play. You don't have that here, it's a fire place with half a chair crammed to close, half a sideboard, a bottom of a picture frame or mirror, it's a cluttered mess really, not a great deal can be done with it.
There used to be quite a popular 'how would you edit this' thread... But you post your editing steps and the person whose image it is decides on the best edit, winner then chooses an image to post..... Try searching for it

Also I'm still unsure why you are posting one of your students images AGAIN, you was asked not too?!.....

:plus1: Sorry Kodiak, gotta agreed.

I agree with the above.



In the spirit of the forum I’ve had a play.

Opened in ACR.
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In PS I isolated and masked the grate, further tweaked levels---- added a new base layer filled with a gradient made from the colours in the grate's panels.
14996-1459934482-17c2f74cb46d16abf9ca9208fc5c13a6.jpg




The old PP Game can be found here.

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/the-pp-game.347318/

Rhodese.
 
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I imagine it will look just like everybody elses


Not really Jonathan!
You are at this point the one that kept the original frame after
straightening and accented the tonal rendition in the original
spirit… and this is an option that you alone have as of yet!

Let it grow on you, give it the time to mature, imagine being
there at different times of the day… etc. Great effort!
 
To be fair with something like this you need a decent picture to engage others to want to have a play. You don't have that here, it's a fire place with half a chair crammed to close, half a sideboard, a bottom of a picture frame or mirror, it's a cluttered mess really, not a great deal can be done with it.
There used to be quite a popular 'how would you edit this' thread... But you post your editing steps and the person whose image it is decides on the best edit, winner then chooses an image to post..... Try searching for it

I disagree to be honest, so far we've had quite a few interpretations, different crops and different takes on the shot - sure, it's a "challenging" fix - I agree with all the critique of the shot, but we're not here to critique the shot, we're supposedly here to try and turn out a silk purse from this sow's ear...


Also I'm still unsure why you are posting one of your students images AGAIN, you was asked not too?!.....

He was asked (by me, IIRC) not to post other peoples work without context... in this particular thread it was posted, quite clearly stating that it was someone elses shot, used with their permission and blessing for this purpose. We have no issue with the shot being used in this way. Perhaps you could leave moderation decisions to the staff...
 
I'll be honest... I'd a second edit that was pretty much this kind of thing as well...

I took the ugly light wood skirting board out on the right.. well it looked ugly in the crop not in the bigger pic.. whole thing a couple of minutes...if all day i would take the whole background out and replace :)
 



…just yesterday, I was ordered not to even think to get close to sweets! :(
 
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