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Got me a DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro end of last week and took it out this morning for a first trial.
First of all I am pleased with the quality of output from the camera but there is an issue that is down to me!
Having a cold and covid/flu jabs over the weekend I was not at my best and my old legs were struggling so didn't stay out for much over an hour.
Looking at a clip of the video it is a bit like I'm riding a camel! :LOL: The footage is 'up and down'.
I've seen things online about this happening and needing to walk 'differently' but I'm doing well just walking normally for long periods now.
Any suggestions without further stressing my legs on my walkabouts?

Sample clip to show what I mean...

 
Easiest way to counteract the up and down is by walking like a ninja. Might look a bit silly but it works. And double check you're properly balanced. For bigger rigs there are steadycam vest and arm contraptions, I didnt see anything like that for small setups but maybe that is a thing now.
 
TimHughes said:
Easiest way to counteract the up and down is by walking like a ninja. Might look a bit silly but it works. And double check you're properly balanced. For bigger rigs there are steadycam vest and arm contraptions, I didnt see anything like that for small setups but maybe that is a thing now.
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Off to see how a ninja walks!
 
gramps said:
Off to see how a ninja walks!
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Hmmm that’s not gonna happen!
Even if I could do that for several hours I would feel too stupid!
Maybe it’s just bumpy video then.
 
Is that with Rocksteady+ on?

Unfortunately walking/running is the one movement that the best stabilisation, and even a lot of gimbals struggle with. I'm afraid I don't know anyway to minimise it, other than the ninja walk, or avoiding that kind of shooting. What I'll sometimes do for POV, is to do it as a hyperlapse instead. Obviously it's faster then, but it gives that sense of motion, without the sea sickness.
 
Just out of interest, I've never considered seeing how a hyperlapse looks when slowed down a bit... Might have to have a mess about with that.
 
NickD said:
Is that with Rocksteady+ on?

Unfortunately walking/running is the one movement that the best stabilisation, and even a lot of gimbals struggle with. I'm afraid I don't know anyway to minimise it, other than the ninja walk, or avoiding that kind of shooting. What I'll sometimes do for POV, is to do it as a hyperlapse instead. Obviously it's faster then, but it gives that sense of motion, without the sea sickness.
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Yes I had Rocksteady+ on.
Hyperlapse could work to even it out but isn’t ideal for general POV.
 
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it turns out that steadycam for dji osmo is a thing - search for dji osmo z-axis stabilizer. Looks like quite a few youtube videos on it too.
 
TimHughes said:
it turns out that steadycam for dji osmo is a thing - search for dji osmo z-axis stabilizer. Looks like quite a few youtube videos on it too.
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Looks like that's only for the Pocket series rather than the Action cameras. :(
 
Movement of the camera is down to inertia, a light object is more susceptible to movement, a large heavy object due to it's mass want's to stay where it is. This does make holding it more difficult . There are several Youtube videos on home brewed camera stabilisation.
 
That movement does seem a bit excessive. If you have access to Premiere Pro try running 'warp stabilizer' over it, it helps with my videos. Update- just tried it on your video and hardly made a difference, sorry.
 
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beyond the blue said:
That movement does seem a bit excessive. If you have access to Premiere Pro try running 'warp stabilizer' over it, it helps with my videos. Update- just tried it on your video and hardly made a difference, sorry.
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Thanks for the input though. :)
 
gramps said:
I was not at my best and my old legs were struggling so didn't stay out for much over an hour...............
....................but I'm doing well just walking normally for long periods now.
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That wont help smooth movement. I did notice you seemed to be walking quite quickly in that video, perhaps slowing down a bit and being a bit more deliberate with your movements, imagine your walking from the kitchen with a very full cup of tea and how careful you have to be not to spill any.

The other option is to shoot at a higer frame rate and slow your footage down, for example shoot at 30fps and slow to 25fps (80%) this wont be that different but will smooth out the jerks a bit. If when you walk you bob up and down a lot this is going to happen even with a good gimbal as you'll still be making those movements.

This might be a mad idea but i've been thinking about something like this myself but not got around to it yet. Get one of these to use as a dolly.
Measuring wheel
Once you fix the camera to it the camera will stay at a fixed distance from the ground and the bobbing will stop, put on a hi-viz vest and no one will notice you and you'll probably get away with going where ever you want!
 
ScottT said:
That wont help smooth movement. I did notice you seemed to be walking quite quickly in that video, perhaps slowing down a bit and being a bit more deliberate with your movements, imagine your walking from the kitchen with a very full cup of tea and how careful you have to be not to spill any.

The other option is to shoot at a higer frame rate and slow your footage down, for example shoot at 30fps and slow to 25fps (80%) this wont be that different but will smooth out the jerks a bit. If when you walk you bob up and down a lot this is going to happen even with a good gimbal as you'll still be making those movements.
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That’s really helpful, thank you. Slowing down will probably reduce the demand on these old legs too. :)
ScottT said:
This might be a mad idea but i've been thinking about something like this myself but not got around to it yet. Get one of these to use as a dolly.
Measuring wheel
Once you fix the camera to it the camera will stay at a fixed distance from the ground and the bobbing will stop, put on a hi-viz vest and no one will notice you and you'll probably get away with going where ever you want!
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:LOL: I quite like that idea!
 
that is one of the big problems I have as well with my camcorder.. Most vidoes looked at only use zoom features or in a fixed position, not that many are walking. as mentioned slower walking helps a lot . Just ordered a top handle for mine
 
There's a discussion on what seems to be the same camera here, which suggests that the problems are inherent with this particular model....

Action 5 Pro Stabilization in UVC and RTMP Issues

Edit3 October 17, 2024: NOT fixed with the new firmware! I took inspiration from Zheph and put 4 recordings into one video to show the comparison between different modes. These are all HorizonSteady: Hi, The DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro is still experiencing worse stabilization when in UVC and...
forum.dji.com forum.dji.com
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
There's a discussion on what seems to be the same camera here, which suggests that the problems are inherent with this particular model....

Action 5 Pro Stabilization in UVC and RTMP Issues

Edit3 October 17, 2024: NOT fixed with the new firmware! I took inspiration from Zheph and put 4 recordings into one video to show the comparison between different modes. These are all HorizonSteady: Hi, The DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro is still experiencing worse stabilization when in UVC and...
forum.dji.com forum.dji.com
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Thanks Andrew, I'm now finding the camera to be fine except for what is obviously my walking movement ... and no way will I be ninja-walking! :LOL:
 
gramps said:
Got me a DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro end of last week and took it out this morning for a first trial.
First of all I am pleased with the quality of output from the camera but there is an issue that is down to me!
Having a cold and covid/flu jabs over the weekend I was not at my best and my old legs were struggling so didn't stay out for much over an hour.
Looking at a clip of the video it is a bit like I'm riding a camel! :LOL: The footage is 'up and down'.
I've seen things online about this happening and needing to walk 'differently' but I'm doing well just walking normally for long periods now.
Any suggestions without further stressing my legs on my walkabouts?

Sample clip to show what I mean...

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Have you got the camera fixed to your body or are you holding it in your hand. Hand held is much smoother than body mounted.

Andrew HATFIELD | Architectural and Interior Photographer
 
gramps said:
I have both a chest harness and a strap fixing so yes it's body-fixed.
TBH I feel a bit of a numpty as it is, holding it on a 'stick' would be more than I could bear! :LOL:
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That's the problem then. You are going to get much smoother shots using it hand held, even if you had a very short pistol grip your arm is going to take out a lot of the bounce.

Andrew HATFIELD | Architectural and Interior Photographer
 
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