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I had an interesting talk with a police officer this morning. It was about 6am and I was out photographing the centre of Nottingham for my project. I was trying to catch the lighting on a new building across the road from the main Police Station.

As I clicked away an officer came over to point out that I could not take photographs of the police station for security reasons :nono:.

Now, I do actual understand the law regarding photographing in public places and I nicly explained that (a) I was not photographing the police station and (b) I was able to take photographs if I wanted as long as I was on public land and stuff :rules:. BBC Radio 4 did an article on their Law in Action program a few months ago that’s well worth digging out on the Iplayer.

Anyway, we had a friendly chat and the officer was genuinely polite and helpful and said that if I really wanted to take photographs around the station area then I should call a department and talk to Miss XXXXX. It turns out that he gave me the phone number for their marketing department!!!!

So it seems that anti-terrorism and security is a marketing issue these days :lol::cuckoo:.

Bless them :bonk:

Have fun
Debs
 
Nice to see an officer didnt blow his top when you corrected him about the law, like some do :p

Could it be that he gave you the marketing number so that if you do decide to go take pictures of the police station, you are doing it on behalf of the police station and therefore wont be told off by another cop?
 
I can't help wondering had you been a hairy bloke would the response might have been different? Wayne
 
:lol: perhaps he thought you were out to make a buck or two and wanted to make sure that the underfunded already cop shop was going to get their fair cut? I would have thought from your kit list that the PC probably assumed you were semi/pro and out trying to make some money with your project?

Sounds like its fair enough to me!
 
swanseamale47 said:
I can't help wondering had you been a hairy bloke would the response might have been different? Wayne
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Trust me. having got up at 4am its more a case of inner beauty :gag: :lol:

But it is a good point and I have found that being a woman often avoids any tricky issues and even opens doors that would normally be shut to men! ;)

Debs
 
Mind you, being a woman doesn’t always help. A few months ago while down by the Nottingham Canal at 2am the security guards from a leading credit card company who will remain nameless, threatened to confiscate my equipment if I took any photographs. When I pointed out that if they approached me I would call the police one of them threatened to chuck me and all my kit in the canal :eek:.

You should have seen his face when he realised I was calling 999 and a few minutes later the boys in blue turned up on mass and explained a few things to him.
 
debbiejo said:
Mind you, being a woman doesn’t always help. A few months ago while down by the Nottingham Canal at 2am the security guards from a leading credit card company who will remain nameless, threatened to confiscate my equipment if I took any photographs. When I pointed out that if they approached me I would call the police one of them threatened to chuck me and all my kit in the canal :eek:.

You should have seen his face when he realised I was calling 999 and a few minutes later the boys in blue turned up on mass and explained a few things to him.
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:thumbs: superb - good for you :thumbs:
 
debbiejo said:
Mind you, being a woman doesn’t always help. A few months ago while down by the Nottingham Canal at 2am the security guards from a leading credit card company who will remain nameless, threatened to confiscate my equipment if I took any photographs. When I pointed out that if they approached me I would call the police one of them threatened to chuck me and all my kit in the canal :eek:.

You should have seen his face when he realised I was calling 999 and a few minutes later the boys in blue turned up on mass and explained a few things to him.
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Well done Debbie. They should have been arrested never mind being spoken to.
 
Bet if you looked Muslim they would of gone all Rodney King on you though :nono:

There's a building at Salford quays that isnt marked up and ive been told a number of times not to take pictures of it from security, ive always obliged as its not that interesting but it really does make you wonder what sort of action they would take if I ignored them and snapped away.

If your within your rights to take pictures, can anyone take action?
 
Mancunian Lee said:
There's a building at Salford quays that isnt marked up and ive been told a number of times not to take pictures of it from security, ive always obliged as its not that interesting but it really does make you wonder what sort of action they would take if I ignored them and snapped away.
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Why not find out?


Mancunian Lee said:
If your within your rights to take pictures, can anyone take action?
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Yes. But it would be illegal action.



Steve.
 
Think some police departments have Access officers if you have trouble with jobsworths to contact if you have problems with people trying to prevent you taking pictures. as a lot of security firms as well as police do not know what the can and can't do. think i heard the same program on radio 4 as well was interesting.
 
The latest excuse the Met have been trotting out is that you can't photograph their officers, cars or buildings as it is a breach of copyright :suspect: :lol:
 
I have a printed email from my local police HQ press officer in answer to my query about what you can and cannot take pictures of on the street with his number on it and if I'm ever challenged I will ring him. and pass the phone to the cops..:razz:
 
I was photographing in Manchester Piccadilly rail station today, with a visitor pass so it was all above board...saw two BTP officers approaching, they then noticed my pass and suddenly changed direction :lol:
 
Debs, was the officer stationed at Central police station - the building which shares its car park with the fire station?

Lisa
 
Steve Smith said:
Why not find out?




Yes. But it would be illegal action.



Steve.
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Im not going to go and find out because im not a trouble maker, im all love and peace :thumbs:

So if they have no legal case, do they have grounds for a civil action?

Even the police seem unsure, the problem with having all this cleared up it could mean it going either way, either we have plenty of rights as togs or very few. Its probably left with everyone unsure - unless someone sticks a camera in my face.
 
Crazyhorse said:
Debs, was the officer stationed at Central police station - the building which shares its car park with the fire station?

Lisa
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Hi Lisa.

I asume so. I was on North Church Street getting a shot of the new buildings in Trinity Square. The police station was on my right just to the edge of the shot.

In all fairness to him, he was very polite and never told me to go away once he knew what I was doing. :thumbs:

Debs
 
hepburn said:
oh joy. :lol: Whatever next?
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From the BJP 24/12/08

"Jess Hurd was detained for more than 45 minutes after she was stopped on Wednesday 10 December. The photojournalist had been covering the wedding of a couple from Dale Farm in Essex, the UK's largest travellers' site.

Hurd had been covering the wedding and had followed the couple to the Ramada Docklands hotel in east London for the wedding reception. At around 4.50pm, guests started leaving the reception. Hurd followed them and while shooting stills and video she bumped into a police car parked outside the hotel.

Hurd continued shooting the guests, but was called back by the officers. She was detained under section 44 of the Terrorism Act, which allows police authorities to question anyone they suspect are acting suspiciously. Her camera was forcefully removed from her, BJP has learnt, and while she showed her press card, three police officers insisted on viewing the footage she had taken. Hurd was detained for 45 minutes and told not to use 'any of the footage that showed the police car or officers, for copyright reasons'.
 
Well that's the uniformed side of the bill on tv screwed eh? heaven forbid!

I think an official complaint by her is well called for, along with the numbers of the officers involved. Sounds like those coppers need a bit of retraining if they can't distinguish between a wedding and suspect terrorism activity.

What really pees me off with incidents like this is the way they reflect on the police at large, a good many of whom do a great job under difficult circumstances.
 
debbiejo said:
Hi Lisa.

I asume so. I was on North Church Street getting a shot of the new buildings in Trinity Square. The police station was on my right just to the edge of the shot.

In all fairness to him, he was very polite and never told me to go away once he knew what I was doing. :thumbs:

Debs
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Thanks, I'm next door tomorrow and I might pop in and see who the jobsworth was.:thumbs:

Lisa
 
Flash In The Pan said:
From the BJP 24/12/08

"Jess Hurd was detained for more than 45 minutes after she was stopped on Wednesday 10 December. The photojournalist had been covering the wedding of a couple from Dale Farm in Essex, the UK's largest travellers' site.

Hurd had been covering the wedding and had followed the couple to the Ramada Docklands hotel in east London for the wedding reception. At around 4.50pm, guests started leaving the reception. Hurd followed them and while shooting stills and video she bumped into a police car parked outside the hotel.

Hurd continued shooting the guests, but was called back by the officers. She was detained under section 44 of the Terrorism Act, which allows police authorities to question anyone they suspect are acting suspiciously. Her camera was forcefully removed from her, BJP has learnt, and while she showed her press card, three police officers insisted on viewing the footage she had taken. Hurd was detained for 45 minutes and told not to use 'any of the footage that showed the police car or officers, for copyright reasons'.
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the relevant UK law is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988

quote:4. — (1) In this Part “artistic work" means—
(a) a graphic work, photograph, sculpture or collage, irrespective of artistic quality,
(b) a work of architecture being a building or a model for a building, or
(c) a work of artistic craftsmanship.
(2) In this Part—
“building" includes any fixed structure, and a part of a building or fixed structure;
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9. — (1) In this Part “author", in relation to a work, means the person who creates it.
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10. — (1) In this Part a “work of joint authorship" means a work produced by the collaboration of two or more authors in which the contribution of each author is not distinct from that of the other author or authors.
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3) References in this Part to the author of a work shall, except as otherwise provided, be construed in relation to a work of joint authorship as references to all the authors of the work.
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Chapter III Acts Permitted in relation to Copyright Works
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31.— (1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion in an artistic work,
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62. — (1) This section applies to—
(a) buildings, and
(b) sculptures, models for buildings and works of artistic craftsmanship, if permanently situated in a public place or in premises open to the public.
(2) The copyright in such a work is not infringed by—
(a) making a graphic work representing it,
(b) making a photograph or film of it, or
(c) a visual image of it.

This bit seems to be important. so maybe the police could`nt do anything

31.— (1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion in an artistic work,
 
Flash In The Pan said:
The latest excuse the Met have been trotting out is that you can't photograph their officers, cars or buildings as it is a breach of copyright :suspect: :lol:
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I wonder what they believe they have copyright on, and how you infringe it by taking a photograph from a public place?
 
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