Police helicopter crashes

Jezzzussss!!! That is bloody aweful news.
 
very sad news, hope no is too badly hurt .
Rob.
 
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Listening to it on the news now... so awful:(
 
I heard on the radio this morning they were expecting some deaths, but weren't saying they'd actually found anyone yet.
 
ancient_mariner said:
I heard on the radio this morning they were expecting some deaths, but weren't saying they'd actually found anyone yet.
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Let's hope it stays that way
What a terrible thing to happen, not much th pilot could have done
 
Been no mention of the crew of three, but the aircraft has been covered with a plastic sheet.
 
Covering it is standard, obviously doesn't work with a big airliner, but this is small enough to do.
No, no mention of the crew, and I'm sorry to say that there's a good reason for that, which I'll not go into.
 
Bernie174 said:
Covering it is standard, obviously doesn't work with a big airliner, but this is small enough to do.
No, no mention of the crew, and I'm sorry to say that there's a good reason for that, which I'll not go into.
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Self evident, unfortunately, Bernie. The helo was seen to roll over during it's fall.
 
A dreadful incident and my thoughts go out to everyone involved. The rescue teams are doing a grand job under difficult conditions and they deserve recognition, I just hope they can bring the trapped people out without any further injury or otherwise. I don't want to think about the terror inside the helicopter in its last few moments!
 
That type of helo has fuel tanks with rubber bladder inserts to reduce the risk of fire after a crash. If they have indeed prevented a fire then they saved a large number of lives last night.
 
Just heard the news this morning.
People on the immediate scene and rescuers have done (and are still doing) a fantastic job.
Right now, my thoughts are with those still trapped inside and the families awaiting news of loved ones. I just hope that the final fatality count remains low.
 
sad day in glasgow i posted a link to this last night my bro drinks in there now and then i know it well my thouts go out to all involved in this
 
Just catching up with this story now.

Terrible for all involved.
 
hoochy1 said:
sad day in glasgow i posted a link to this last night my bro drinks in there now and then i know it well my thouts go out to all involved in this
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Saw your thread earlier - it's a horrific story but it must really hit you even harder when it's so close to home.
(p.s. The only reason I closed yours and left this one run was because this thread already had replies in it)
 
Very sad news and I feel especially for the families of the crew - and all who have died.

But I can't help contrast this rescue effort with the way it might have been handled in years gone by. This is only a small single-storey building. I'm flabbergasted that the authorities are still unable, after all this time, to categorically state if anyone else is still within the building. The place has been knee deep in very senior fire and Police officers - and politicians. I even saw a chaplain at the scene in a high-viz. Years ago, it would have been left to the 'front-line' fire and paramedics to quickly effect rescue and promptly rule out the possibility of other casualties within. tis a single-storey - not a multi-storey apartment block!

Please tell me if I'm getting (even more) cynical in my old age. But I fear there were too many elf n safety types at the scene.
 
John

In years gone by the level of evidence required for any form of legal inquiry (coroners inquest, fatal accident inquiry, criminal proceedings etc), was not to the same level as it is now.

Hence why a fatal car accident takes 3 times longer to deal with now than it did 20 years ago.

So that's reason number one. There is a second reason, and that is to obvious if you think a bit laterally, and while I have no issue with it being aired, I doubt most people would be able to stomach it. So lets just say that the reasons for apparent inaction are necessary and not for anyone outside the rescue and investigation to question.
 
Bernie174 said:
John

In years gone by the level of evidence required for any form of legal inquiry (coroners inquest, fatal accident inquiry, criminal proceedings etc), was not to the same level as it is now.

Hence why a fatal car accident takes 3 times longer to deal with now than it did 20 years ago.

So that's reason number one.
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We will have to disagree on this. I fully appreciate and understand why fatal accident scenes take time to be processed nowadays. But this does not and can never take priority over securing and treating the casualties.
 
2blue4u said:
We will have to disagree on this. I fully appreciate and understand why fatal accident scenes take time to be processed nowadays. But this does not and can never take priority over securing and treating the casualties.
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.......no but it must first be insured that there is no further danger to anyone else, either those already affected by the incident or those in the emergency services. Lets face it a dead or injured Fire Office, Cop or Ambo personnel ain't no use to anybody. Basics is to protect the locus and make sure as best as possible, further injury or loss of life does not take place.
 
Very sad, living near Glasgow i've seen that helicopter a lot. We watched it land once after being at the science centre and the crew were waving at kids who were watching as they got out of the heli. Possibly not the same crew involved but sad all the same.
 
I don't agree with the elf n safety comment. There was an early photo last night of 2 fire and rescure people right up on the roof looking like they were right up at the hole where the heli went in.
 
I've experience of investigations, and having Policed an airport for well over 10 years, I am also trained to and have dealt with aircraft accidents. The needs and requirements of any fatal (of any sort) now are different. For example now the laser 'mapping' tools exist that simply didn't in the past. That of course being one of the things that are used to gather evidence that were not 20 or even 10 years ago.

"But this does not and can never take priority over securing and treating the casualties."

I've never suggested that it does or should or ever did. Think about it for longer than 10 seconds and you have the answer to that point.
 
SarahLee said:
Saw your thread earlier - it's a horrific story but it must really hit you even harder when it's so close to home.
(p.s. The only reason I closed yours and left this one run was because this thread already had replies in it)
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np on the thread close yea i got news of it not long after it hit the pub on facebook etc from friends i seen the heli at about 6.45 over strathclyde park well i think it was the same 1 i can see what people are saying about the people thats still in there? i hope the toll wont go up but fear its going to rise when the full story come out and the people involved have been told it must have been a total failure as i dont know if they were on there way back from a call on on there way out to one but the heli pad is not far from the pub plus if they knew they were in big trouble why didnt they land it on the glasgow green thats at the end of the road the pubs on
 
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plus if they knew they were in big trouble why didnt they land it on the glasgow green thats at the end of the road the pubs on
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The problem about flying aircraft that have had systems failures, is often the decisions about where to set down are taken out of the pilots hands.
 
RichardtheSane said:
The problem about flying aircraft that have had systems failures, is often the decisions about where to set down are taken out of the pilots hands.
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:agree:

Helicopters are not like planes, they don't glide, although it can autorotate if there hasn't been a failure to the major drive parts, in this case it seems they were unable to autorotate and came down at a steep angle.

Essentially they were coming down regardless of where they would land due to having no control.

Bottom line is helicopters when they fail fly like rocks, they fall.
 
Confirmed dead is now at 8.
 
I saw this on twitter at 10-30 last night, couldnt believe it 3 in the helicopter died and 5 people inside my thoughts are with their families
 
2blue4u said:
Very sad news and I feel especially for the families of the crew - and all who have died.

But I can't help contrast this rescue effort with the way it might have been handled in years gone by. This is only a small single-storey building. I'm flabbergasted that the authorities are still unable, after all this time, to categorically state if anyone else is still within the building. The place has been knee deep in very senior fire and Police officers - and politicians. I even saw a chaplain at the scene in a high-viz. Years ago, it would have been left to the 'front-line' fire and paramedics to quickly effect rescue and promptly rule out the possibility of other casualties within. tis a single-storey - not a multi-storey apartment block!

Please tell me if I'm getting (even more) cynical in my old age. But I fear there were too many elf n safety types at the scene.
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None of us know the location or the structural conditions inside the building. It's probable that the heavier parts of the aircraft are unstable and any casualties underneath them aren't in a position for a snatch rescue. I've been involved in urban search and rescue training and when you are trapped by a substantial building structural member you are well and truly trapped without heavy lift kit like air bags and jacks, all of which take time to deploy. The other issue is that the emergency services are working from an unknown number of potential casualties, unlike a plane crash where the numbers involved are known precisely. They will have to ensure that there are no bodies left at all at the scene and, depending on the actions people took when the impact occurred, they may not be immediately obvious.

Most police forces have chaplains on an call out rota so they can be at scene very quickly.

If it's felt that I've gone into too much detail and caused offence I apologise and will be happy to delete this post.

My thoughts are with those who've lost someone, those affected by it and all the responders involved.
 
News this morning reported that a harness has been attached to the aircraft and a crane is on site.
 
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