poisoned goshawks

Jesus, is it never going to end................:thumbsdown:
 
Absolutely sickening. What's the matter with people?
 
I have said it before and will say it until something is done......Nothing will change until the landowners are held accountable for what happens on their land. Hiding behind a wall of " I didn`t know" is utter [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER].
 
fracster said:
I have said it before and will say it until something is done......Nothing will change until the landowners are held accountable for what happens on their land. Hiding behind a wall of " I didn`t know" is utter [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER].
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Spot on. Shoot the bast**ds responsible. :bang:
 
fracster said:
I have said it before and will say it until something is done......Nothing will change until the landowners are held accountable for what happens on their land. Hiding behind a wall of " I didn`t know" is utter [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER].
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well said frac.
 
An incredible tradgedy, Most folk never get to see these great birds and many dont know when they do,
 
Unbelievable in this day and age that people intentionally go out to kill such amazing and beautiful birds such as these. Only yesterday I was watching with amazement as a group of 7 buzzards swirled above the trees near where I walked and now to read these stories makes my blood boil.
 
I have recently just bought a book called Tooth & Claw by Peter Cairns ( known well for his Scottish Wildcat work and photography )and Mark Hamblin. This book offers up both sides of the story in a unique way. What it also does is show that landowners and groups like the RSPB and RSPCA etc are so much at loggerheads that they are both forgetting whats important and that if they could work together then wildlife would be the winner.

For an example one section talks about Hen Harrier populations--RSPB and government law stop any killing, landowners are struggling on grouse moors to make a living--the result is birds get killed and people get charged when caught. One soloution would be to monitor the bird population and leave feed for the birds during nesting seasons or to remove the eggs/young and relocate them when they are able to fend for themselves and thus widening the area the birds cover...This is just one example ih the book and it seems to make sense as current policy doesnt allow both sides to work together for the security of endangered species.
 
Your right Mark, some people are convinced that peregrines nail game birds. Of the 3/4 nest sites that I watch, I have never seen them come back with game birds, they do pigeons and blackbirds.

Not all keepers are bad, the majority are good people, but like any other trade, the good ones go un-noticed whilst the bad make the news.

Like I said before, the estate managers and owners should be held culpable for what happens on their land, until that is law, then i`m afraid it will never stop.

Edit t add...........I, for one, will stand up to these people, and do so, it does me no favours, but that is my belief and my standing on the subject. .
 
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Unfortunately this is the tip of the iceberg, not just birds of prey either, i don't find the "Police are investigating" much of a comfort either. Some sick people on this planet :(
 
markyboy.1967 said:
I have recently just bought a book called Tooth & Claw by Peter Cairns
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Great book with views to make you think about different species including reintruduction & different points of view. :thumbs:

Tooth and claw also has (perhaps had) a good website
 
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A crying shame really, and such majestic creatures.
 
The spread of Goshawks in particular is being hampered by humans (poisoning). For example, although breeding pairs in the New Forest number only just into double figures, some 40+ chicks were ringed by the BTO this year which would easily dictate that they have to spread out and find territories of their own...beyond the New Forest in other words. It shall be interesting to see what happens this winter, as various estates in the affluent areas of Hampshire and Dorset are allegedly hampering their progress in past years.

Also, the Golden Eagle population in Scotland easily suffer the loss of around 50 birds a year - only one or two are ever in the public eye following prosecution, etc..

Sometimes you just have to hate humans...
 
Can anyone tell me why they poison birds, ok I am not up on this but surely the birds were here before us, and whatever damage they may do must be 0.0000000000000000000001% as compared to humans.
 
JSER said:
Can anyone tell me why they poison birds, ok I am not up on this but surely the birds were here before us, and whatever damage they may do must be 0.0000000000000000000001% as compared to humans.
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As far as I know some game keepers and landowners with shooting interests kill the birds of prey because they think they take game birds:bang:
Its a real shame these people should be prosecuted with the full force of the law its another case of money before wildlife:(
 
LCPete said:
As far as I know some game keepers and landowners with shooting interests kill the birds of prey because they think they take game birds:bang:
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Probably. I've heard stories of farmers poisoning golden eagles too, because they believe the birds are a threat to lambs. They're certainly big enough, but I suspect this may be more a case of scavenging on cadavers though, or taking out weaklings? We see quite a lot of badger roadkill around here too, and a couple of neighbours reckon it's farmers poisoning the animals and dumping them by the roadside. I don't know.

Don't rule out wanton killing/cruelty either. Some - presumably inadequate - morons seem to get a kick out of it.
 
LCPete said:
As far as I know some game keepers and landowners with shooting interests kill the birds of prey because they think they take game birds:bang:
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not forgetting that a lot of gos, and particularly peregrines are also persecuted by pigeon fanciers who think they are taking their birds
 
I know a pigeon man who hates peregrines - I used to work for the RSPB and he went on about it every time he saw me! I also used to be involved with PAW (Partnership for Action against Wildlife crime) which involves several organisations working together with police - eg wildlife crime officers, to share information and bring people to prosecution - but its hard to get enough evidence in most cases. :(
 
Are you seriously telling me some slugs with flying rats for pets kill real birds
 
JSER said:
Are you seriously telling me some slugs with flying rats for pets kill real birds
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yep fact im affraid, pigeon fanciers have some dear pigeons and dont want them killed and if they have peregrine nest near sometimes they will blame the peregrines for nabbing them, but as said peregrines will only normally take a pigeon on its own so will hardly ever take a racing pigeon,.
 
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