Point and Shoot Cameras are Basically Dead

[Pound Coin]

Started reading the thread, then just went to the end to say this:

Smartphones are point and shoot cameras.

They just happen to have a lot of extra useful stuff that cameras don't.

 

[dolina]

Started reading the thread, then just went to the end to say this:

Smartphones are point and shoot cameras.

They just happen to have a lot of extra useful stuff that cameras don't.

Industry separates point & shoots & smartphones.

I would not be surprised that point & shoots will go near a fraction of a million by 2024.

 

[Pound Coin]

Industry separates point & shoots & smartphones.

So?

 

[dolina]

So?

These brand's camera product lines will end.

Far less choice and higher prices for all.

So!

Some interesting camera shipment stats

Smartphones vs film & digital still cameras

]View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXTXOVPrP_E[/video]


Digital camers: dSLR vs Mirrorless vs Point & Shoots (no smartphone)

Digital camers: dSLR vs Mirrorless (no smartphone or point & shoot)

 

[garryknight]

Last 6 years worldwide shipments of digital still cameras.

Year	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021	2022 forecast
Total Cameras	24,978,486	19,423,371	15,216,957	8,886,292	8,361,521	7,850,000
Point & Shoot	13,302,797	8,663,574	6,755,467	3,578,643	3,013,250	2,560,000
Total SLR & Mirrorless	11,675,689	10,759,797	8,461,490	5,307,649	5,348,271	5,290,000
SLR	7,595,708	6,620,999	4,504,987	2,374,569	2,241,772	-
Mirrorless	4,079,981	4,138,798	3,956,503	2,933,080	3,106,499	-

This chart seems to predict that there will be no SLR or mirrorless cameras shipped in 2022 but that the total number of DLR and mirrorless cameras shipped will be 5,290,000. Am I reading that wrongly?

 

[dolina]

This chart seems to predict that there will be no SLR or mirrorless cameras shipped in 2022 but that the total number of DLR and mirrorless cameras shipped will be 5,290,000. Am I reading that wrongly?

The source for the 2022 forecast did not break down forecasted shipment numbers of SLR vs mirrorless. Rather they provided the combined forecasted shipment of both.

 

[NPUK]

I sincerely hope that camera manufacturers don't give up on compact cameras altogether. I pretty much stopped using my Canon 5D a couple of years ago because as an amateur/enthusiast I got fed up of carrying bulky camera and lenses plus other drawbacks and didn't need really high image quality. So I started shooting with my phone camera because it suited my type of photography but found myself sometimes getting frustrated with certain things (eg. optical zoom range and controls) so contemplated getting a compact camera but thought long and hard about whether it would be worth it considering my phone had quite a high spec. camera (Huawei P30 Pro). In the end I went ahead and bought a Sony RX100vii and did not regret it because as well as the improved image quality, the range of controls and usability make it a significantly better tool for me.
For many people, a modern phone camera is as good as a dedicated camera but really you are just exchanging one set of tools for a different set of tools. The phone is better at some things and the camera is better at others but I still think there is a market at least for high end compact cameras, even if less so the cheap and cheerful point and shoots...although maybe the fact that you can get a "cheap" and cheerful camera is a good thing in itself because good phone cameras are often quite expensive.

 

[dolina]

I sincerely hope that camera manufacturers don't give up on compact cameras altogether. I pretty much stopped using my Canon 5D a couple of years ago because as an amateur/enthusiast I got fed up of carrying bulky camera and lenses plus other drawbacks and didn't need really high image quality. So I started shooting with my phone camera because it suited my type of photography but found myself sometimes getting frustrated with certain things (eg. optical zoom range and controls) so contemplated getting a compact camera but thought long and hard about whether it would be worth it considering my phone had quite a high spec. camera (Huawei P30 Pro). In the end I went ahead and bought a Sony RX100vii and did not regret it because as well as the improved image quality, the range of controls and usability make it a significantly better tool for me.
For many people, a modern phone camera is as good as a dedicated camera but really you are just exchanging one set of tools for a different set of tools. The phone is better at some things and the camera is better at others but I still think there is a market at least for high end compact cameras, even if less so the cheap and cheerful point and shoots...although maybe the fact that you can get a "cheap" and cheerful camera is a good thing in itself because good phone cameras are often quite expensive.

No doubt that point & shoots will still be sold but at a worldwide shipping volume of approx 1.4 million per year.

About 1% of its all time high of 110,070,168 in 2008.

It appears that the stronger sellers are

- large image sensors like full frame & APS-C
- focal length ranges wider or longer than smartphones
- water proofing and other ruggedization
- specializations unlisted here

 

[Tysonator]

All that is true, however you still see many people still using compacts and bridge cameras in tourist spots.
But phones are ubiquitous.

It is interesting that a high proportion of owners of interchangeable lens cameras only have one lens.

I suspect these are tourist who had had these cameras for years and that is what they are comfortable with.

I do see slightly more tourists with changeable lens cameras on holidays, especially younger people !

 

[Cobra]

Text deleted there is no need to copy and paste it all, as you have provided a link.
Its not exactly plagiarism, but its sailing close to the wind.
Why not add your own comments, for discussion, to the link?

 

[lindsay]

@dolina As Chris said, it is not good practice to just create a thread and copy unchanged a whole article from a different site, with no comments of your own.
In future please do not do this. Better practice would be to make a point in your own words and link to an article elsewhere, if you wish, to support your point.
Please take note of how we like things to be done on this site.

 

[Fuji Dave]

I use to always use just the viewfinder on my cameras, but for the last few years I have only used the back screen like a P&S as for me it just gels better using them this way I might sometimes use the viewfinder but not a lot really.

 

[sphexx]

I use to always use just the viewfinder on my cameras, but for the last few years I have only used the back screen like a P&S as for me it just gels better using them this way I might sometimes use the viewfinder but not a lot really.

Do you think the phone has influenced you in this?

 

[Fuji Dave]

Do you think the phone has influenced you in this?

No not at all, I started to shoot using just the back screen in my jazz photography and it just stuck with me.

 

[Baloo]

No not at all, I started to shoot using just the back screen in my jazz photography and it just stuck with me.

That's interesting Dave I find the back screen really useful for shooting pictures which I struggle to get the angle I want, therefore I use a camera with an articulated back screen, one of the reasons I rarely use my phone!

 

[G.K.Jnr.]

I personally hate the term "Point And Shoot" camera, as I've never yet come across a camera that you don't "Point And Shoot". To me they're all cameras designed to do a job ie obtain images onto whatever medium they're loaded with.

 

[Fuji Dave]

That's interesting Dave I find the back screen really useful for shooting pictures which I struggle to get the angle I want, therefore I use a camera with an articulated back screen, one of the reasons I rarely use my phone!

Because of the low angles I have to get for a shot it is just easier using the screen, I do get some funny looks sometimes but for me I like the back screen the most.

 

[sphexx]

I personally hate the term "Point And Shoot" camera, as I've never yet come across a camera that you don't "Point And Shoot". To me they're all cameras designed to do a job ie obtain images onto whatever medium they're loaded with.

Yes, it’s odd really as the most ”point & shoot” cameras are high end ‘professional’ DSLRS equipped with all kinds of automated assistance.

 

[Fuji Dave]

I remember seeing a shot of an attack helicopter, the comments were like WOW that's got to be taken with some great camera. Then the bloke told everyone it was taken with just a simple P&S only, must be one of the best ever shots I have seen of a helicopter flying through flames.

 

[dolina]

Gen Z is Bringing Back Digital Cameras of the Early 2000s

The most unexpected camera trend of 2022 so far.

petapixel.com

 

[garryknight]

I've been seeing quite a few of these old cameras in central London. It seems that the 2MP sensor rules!

 

[AndrewFlannigan]

I've been seeing quite a few of these old cameras in central London. It seems that the 2MP sensor rules!

If that's so, perhaps it's time to put this up for sale...

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

Digital Lomography ! I must admit I have a very old and battered hand me down phone and the images in anything other than bright sun are really naff but they do make a good starting point for a retro/old looking photo !

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

I in my dads collection of old cameras ( mainly film) a couple of years ago found an old Kodak Easy Share 2 mp camera. I thought to myself wow how crappy must this have been and decided to see by taking it out on a Picnic with my grand kids and daughter I was well impressed and then took it a few places until my grandson killed it.


Admittedly these were in really good light, Trimpley Reservoir






Being spied on !

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

and a couple in low (ish) light






This daughter got thrown out of school for having black and purple hair, they sent her home with a letter saying her hair must be one colour so she dyed it all purple and got thrown out again I went down and asked them if they throw everyone out for obeying the rules. They took her back through gritted teeth ! She still is no better !

 

[Cobra]

This daughter got thrown out of school for having black and purple hair, they sent her home with a letter saying her hair must be one colour so she dyed it all purple and got thrown out again

Brilliant!

 

[Harriers9]

You local to Kidderminster Brad?

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

Just over the border in Shropshire Philip about 10 (ish) miles away

 

[dolina]

CIPA members as a whole had mirrorless doing better than point & shoots + SLR.

I think P&S + SLR will go below 0.5 million/year by 2026? Mirrorless will be 6-7 million annually?

Catering to working photogs and enthusiasts demanding the last 1% of performance.

Year	2019	2020	2021	2022
Total Cameras	15,216,957	8,886,292	8,361,521	8,011,598
Point & Shoot	6,755,467	3,578,643	3,013,250	2,084,865
Total SLR & Mirrorless	8,461,490	5,307,649	5,348,271	5,926,733
SLR	4,504,987	2,374,569	2,241,772	1,853,222
Mirrorless	3,956,503	2,933,080	3,106,499	4,073,511
% of Point & Shoots	44.39%	40.27%	36.04%	26.02%
% of SLR & Mirrorless	55.61%	59.73%	63.96%	73.98%
Worldwide population	7.673 billion	7.753 billion	7.9 billion	8 billion

16 years ago this slide was shown at the unveiling of the 2007 iPhone 2G.

Puts into perspective what annual worldwide shipments of nearly quarter billion iPhones and about 1 billion Android smartphones have done to game consoles, digital cameras, MP3 players and PCs.