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I was out on a trip in the dales this morning, braving the rain and wind on the hunt for some good shots on my medium format RB67. i finished the roll i was shooting after carefully metering everything. i got back home and developed the film to find an unexposed roll, it then struck me that i must have put the film in upside down and the backing paper covered the film.
thus meaning i shot a roll of paper...

Please tell me im not the only one who has done this?
 
I promise I am not laughing...

Having never shot MF, its not really possible with 35mm. At least you can go out when the weather is better and reuse the film!
 
Dont worry I've done it on an old Mamiya C3, and yes I felt like a muppet too.

Mart
 
robhooley167 said:
I was out on a trip in the dales this morning, braving the rain and wind on the hunt for some good shots on my medium format RB67. i finished the roll i was shooting after carefully metering everything. i got back home and developed the film to find an unexposed roll, it then struck me that i must have put the film in upside down and the backing paper covered the film.
thus meaning i shot a roll of paper...

Please tell me im not the only one who has done this?
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erm can't remember doing that but probably have, but after using a roll I immediately put the empty spool in the other position, but can't remember if that helps as I haven't used my RB since last year.
 
menthel said:
I promise I am not laughing...

Having never shot MF, its not really possible with 35mm. At least you can go out when the weather is better and reuse the film!
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Not after he's developed it he can't LOL!!
 
Explanation #2 = Your developer is busted, it did no developing and your fixer cleaned the acetate making it appear the film was never exposed.

:)
 
joxby said:
Explanation #2 = Your developer is busted, it did no developing and your fixer cleaned the acetate making it appear the film was never exposed.

:)
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it wasnt that, the frame numbers were present after developing, and using rodinal so it couldnt be dead (did my brothers 35mm roll after)
 
Did that on a shoot when i was a runner in a film studio! Loaded the camera, gave it to the DOP... he took the stills on set... i got the film developed... ummm... nuff said :/
 
thank god im not the only one :p at first i'd thought i had shot them all with the darkslide in but remembered i took it out for at least 9 of them :p i genuinely thought i was some special level mental case :cuckoo:
 
I'm really confused trying to visualise how this could've happened, what orientation it was to do this. I'm also slightly scared because I just shot 3 rolls through my Yashica Mat...
 
Its not just you. Done it once or twice over the years.

Considering the convoluted routes the film takes in some of those mags and film holders, its surprising it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to do in a TLR !
First roll in my new Minolta had me worried it was broke though. The film runs the other way to a Rollie. Ahh, thats why it wont wind on!:bonk:
 
LOL. I've made all the cock - ups, but not that particular one.

I can only imagine you've mounted the film spool upside down which would have the result you got.

Video here on how to load an RB67. It's an SD mag back but the principle is the same for all model variations.

http://youtu.be/nAW3BzmjG7k
 
Oh, so it's mostly for cameras with film backs? Because with the arrow guidelines on a TLR it doesn't make sense to me, since surely they'd only be on one side.
 
freecom2 said:
Oh, so it's mostly for cameras with film backs? Because with the arrow guidelines on a TLR it doesn't make sense to me, since surely they'd only be on one side.
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Well the arrows are only on ones side as there's only backing paper on one side of the film. With the RB67 you stop winding onto the take-up spool when the arrow on the backing paper aligns with the red dot on the inside base of the back - in fact the arrow points downwards towards the red dot.

If you load the spool upside down which is what I guess has happened, the arrow will still line up withe dot, but be pointing upwards and away from the dot. Everything will appear to be OK when taking exposures and winding on, but in fact the film is protected from the light by the backing paper throughout the roll - no images.
 
Sorry - on a TLR it's a much simpler loading route - you're just pulling the film from one spool and across onto another, so you'd have to be really trying to get it wrong.

With an RB67 mag back once the film is on the loading spool you effectively feed it out of the loading insert, around the back then back into the insert and onto the take-uo spool, so it's a lot different. It can make you scratch your head a bit when you're first confronted with loading a film.
 
Top tip btw...

The backing paper has actually been plastic for years now. It's very thin but virtually indestructable - you wont tear it with your hands. If you save the
backing roll from an exposed film it's great for practising loading the camera without wasting any film. You have to keep rolling it back onto a spool to use it again obviously, but you can repeat the process over and over until you're familiar with it.
 
:lol: :lol: Yes I have done that with a Bronica back. I was not feeling great and in a bit of a hurry and loaded the film the wrong way round. It was only when I unloaded the film did I realise. :bang:
 
Misloaded 35mm once. It was a high speed film and being tight I decided to not pull out quite as much as normal. Ended up not loading properly so I had a blank film developed. I probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near MF.
 
Never done that trick - though that just means that one day, when I'm tired or distracted I will!

I've done the thinking that the 35mm film was loaded and shot 45 frames only to realise that the MTL3 had torn the first inch of the leader and sprockets off the rest of the film, so i'd missed one or two nice shots (as in, an entire 360 panorama shot off the top of the Matterhorn the previous day!) I also did the digital equivalent yesterday, and went out for a walk, with the 7D and 17-40L only to discover, when about a mile from the car, that i'd forgotten the CF card.

As I said, it's only a matter of time before I load the Bronny the wrong way round too...
 
TheBigYin said:
Never done that trick - though that just means that one day, when I'm tired or distracted I will!

I've done the thinking that the 35mm film was loaded and shot 45 frames only to realise that the MTL3 had torn the first inch of the leader and sprockets off the rest of the film, so i'd missed one or two nice shots (as in, an entire 360 panorama shot off the top of the Matterhorn the previous day!) I also did the digital equivalent yesterday, and went out for a walk, with the 7D and 17-40L only to discover, when about a mile from the car, that i'd forgotten the CF card.

As I said, it's only a matter of time before I load the Bronny the wrong way round too...
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..is that where/when you accidentally on purpose dropped the MTL3 off the mountain :lol:
 
It was on the same trip to the alps, but around a week before the camera met it's demise. It was also a large factor in my not feeling all that bad at said camera's demise :lol:
 
srichards said:
Misloaded 35mm once. It was a high speed film and being tight I decided to not pull out quite as much as normal. Ended up not loading properly so I had a blank film developed. I probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near MF.
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I sometimes find loading 35mm harder for some reason. I always end up having to pop the back open (again) to make sure the sprockets are catching the perforations properly. That heart-stopping moment when you advance for the first time and the knob on the other side doesn't rotate...
 
The first time I used an slr, I didn't load it properly, and spent the day taking piccies. The counter reached 36, so I wound it back for about 3 minutes before I thought it must be back in the can by now.
I didn't even know enough to see if the rewind knob turned when the film was wound on!

At least it got me a scrap film for practicing with :eek:
 
freecom2 said:
I sometimes find loading 35mm harder for some reason. I always end up having to pop the back open (again) to make sure the sprockets are catching the perforations properly. That heart-stopping moment when you advance for the first time and the knob on the other side doesn't rotate...
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Did something similar with my first and only roll of Kodachrome, the knob didn't quite engage with the film cartridge so I had to open the back again and lost the first 5 frames but still got 33 frames out of it! I was so annoyed when I did that.
 
garry71 said:
I didn't even know enough to see if the rewind knob turned when the film was wound on!
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That is one thing I do like about manual advance on 35mm (aside from the satisfaction of doing it myself and it being a lot quieter).

I never quite trust a body with a built-in motorised film winder because I can't see the rewind knob turning. :suspect:

On that particular topic, I was listening to this track by Nada Surf on my way into work yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Dl1AA_wJg

:D
 
***I never quite trust a body with a built-in motorised film winder because I can't see the rewind knob turning. :suspect:***

....and it winds me up ;) on my T70 and T90 as many times I switch the film between cameras, you can modify the T90 to leave a leader out on rewind, but it's probably some electronic adjustment that I couldn't do,
 
menthel said:
I promise I am not laughing...

Having never shot MF, its not really possible with 35mm. At least you can go out when the weather is better and reuse the film!
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I also fit in this camp, however I have done equally stupid things, like leave the EC turned to 2 stops under for half a roll...
 
I put the battery in backwards in a Minox which I got today :bonk:

If I had a rangefinder, I would have left the cap on by now.
 
excalibur2 said:
***I never quite trust a body with a built-in motorised film winder because I can't see the rewind knob turning. :suspect:***

....and it winds me up ;) on my T70 and T90 as many times I switch the film between cameras, you can modify the T90 to leave a leader out on rewind, but it's probably some electronic adjustment that I couldn't do,
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It's a easy mod. Brian - provided you're happy with removing the top-plate of the camera, and soldering a bridge across 2 contact points - about 5 minutes time for a competent camera repair guy...

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TheBigYin said:
It's a easy mod. Brian - provided you're happy with removing the top-plate of the camera, and soldering a bridge across 2 contact points - about 5 minutes time for a competent camera repair guy...
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Thanks for your interest but I don't fancy taking the top off a working T90 (but did on my AV1 cos the meter wasn't working properly and had nothing to lose).
 
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