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I hate hate hate hate hate the fact my dogs poorly. :(

cut a verrry long story short - my mil (ages 3) has been lame on 3 legs since jan.... shes had x-rays/ct scans etc... nothing mega conclusive...

i agreed with the vet the other day that we just get on with it now see if she goes worse - take her off the metacam and see how she goes.... (some of you may have seen my posts about building her back up on walks etc over the past few weeks)

yesterday i let her off for the first time and she didnt do much... today she was on a long line with a harness (normally a collar)....and what a surpise - she went lame!!!!

eugh. So ive booked her back in my normal vets tues as im just mega fed up. (she was under a specialist)....

Bill so far is £1500 thank f im insured i only have to pay 10% but i am more concerned about my doglet :( vet says she dosent seem to be in pain but this is the type of dog who would keep going until she collapsed for me - shes so loyal. so im trying hardto keep her calm.... but if i dont walk her - her legs go worse.!!!

rant over. feel free to pass over any chocolate or hugs that are going :lol:

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I know exactly what it's like to have a poorly little one, our eldest beardie nearly died twice earlier this year and it's agony...

Hope she pulls through and gets better. On the plus side she's young which will help.
 
TheNissanMan said:
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I know exactly what it's like to have a poorly little one, our eldest beardie nearly died twice earlier this year and it's agony...

Hope she pulls through and gets better. On the plus side she's young which will help.
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its horrible isnt it, especially when they cant understand its going to be ok...!
dosent help that we lost our eldest dog only a few months ago to a tumour :( and our other dog 2 years ago to a stroke :( not good :(

just dont want her in pain or discomfort - i hope shes not but metcams worn off now and mabey that was masking something

i have the number now of someone who treats racing greyhounds - so im going to give that ago but ask him not to actually treat her - just tell me what he thinks.... and then go back to my vet and tell them/kick off lol
 
What breed is she Suze, is there anything that could be common in the breed causing it ?
Having never lived without at least one dog I know what you are going through, they can't tell you what's wrong :(
Having a vet nurse as a daughter doesn't always help as she see things that aren't there sometimes.
:hug: for you and your dog
 
They do understand, Taffy had tick fever and when he went back to the specialist it looked as if it was game over and we were going to be a position of putting him down, he had had a splenectomy three weeks earlier which he pulled through! When he was at the vets he gained that last bit of energy to look up as if to say "Don't you ruddy dare..."

They know you care for them...
 
It's bad enough when an elderly dog is ill let alone such a young one.
There is no answer, just do what you can, try not to feel guilty about walking her, if she decides to stop she will be telling you that she's had enough.
Perhaps make the walks shorter and do them a few times a day, I know this won't be easy with a dog that likes to be fairly active.
Also try and find a vet who uses alternative methods, I frowned upon the idea until a friend of mine did this with her cat and acupuncture worked.
 
I started reading your thread and thought, hey this is me this is!

Mines only just two this week!

http://springthing.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=29526&hl=louis

I've not updated it for a while but I've had both of his legs screwed and now he's limping again!

I believe its early onset arthritis, and there isn't much I can do about it, I've found massaging his elbows before going out walking has helped loads and I won't let him do full bore sprints such as chasing balls or running alongside my bike!

I'm going to be giving him cod liver oil tablets and see if that can help him with his joints.

I really feel for you, I'm worse with my pets than I am with anything else, I've broken tons of bones and I walk myself with a permanent limp, but I'd rather see my animals fit and healthy!

I wish you all the luck in the world to be able to get your dog fit and well again xx
 
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I don't have dogs myself but I understand how difficult it is when your best friend is poorly, hope you get a proper diagnosis and hopefully a cure soon.
 
thanks all :)

shes a springer x collie

she went lame in jan and i thought it was because of agility (she was my competition dog and won at the first show she went too - she wasnt that fast but got 10th out of 130! so gutted when the career ended after 3 months of formal training, however more gutted as shes my baby and my dad wants to take her for 10 mile hikes every weekend... i want to travel every weekend and see britain (call me sad but i like driving and think camera+ dog + walking = fun)!

Her lameness isnt hopping - never has been - just you know shes not right....

however the CT scan showed slightly arthritus in her frount left but vets havent really assessed the back leg properly except join fluid which hadnt showed much concern.

you know your own pets dont you?? i know Millie well now shes like my best friend (awww sad)! :lol:

so tuesday we have a vets appointment - i get very ar*sy where my dogs concerned so action will be taken. If it is arthritus then fine as can deal with it..... buta 3 year old dog with random lameness which wont go - im not now prepared to accept it


*shoul add i agreed completely with the vet until she went lame again (when i made this post) i trust my vet and respect what they say...but they are all human and not always right. *
 
Suze just a thought, have they run any blood tests ?
 
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Suze just a thought, have they run any blood tests ?
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you kno wwhat im not sure? shes had that much done to her..... they should have??

you thinking something?

personally i think its her back now - the combination of no metacam (since tues), harness (instead of collar) and the lameness on 3 legs....

i have a number for a 'bone person'.... so see how i get on tues then ring him - he deals with racing greyhounds :)
 
we lost my sons year old dog recently.
been at numerous visits to our house , running in and out onto the back garden with no probs at all.
missed him when he hadnt run into the house (again) for about ten mins.
sadly we found him drowned in the pond at the top of the garden.
results, the whole family in tears, and having to ring my son and break the news to him.
more tears , and some major distress.
our dogs have never had a problem with our pond, but for some reason he got in there and couldnt get out.
were so upset the pond has since been filled in.
my son was realy good about it, and said it wasnt our fault, and couldnt be helped, but i felt truly awfull about it.
at the time he was looking after his in laws dogs, due to a family tragedy.hence we were looking after his.
Ozzy is now in the small pet cemetary at the top of our garden, along with several rabbits, guinea pigs and birds that have pased through our family.
little cross and windchimes hanging from it.
 
My (very old) golden retriever has been having physiotherapy lately for arthritis (and additional problem due to removel of humungous tumour/radiotherapy) and the massage really helps him. Hydrotherapy is meant to be very good too, although Max hates water so we thought perhaps not.
May be worth looking into something like that?
It is horrible (and scary) when there's an unknown problem

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Headless Lois said:
My (very old) golden retriever has been having physiotherapy lately for arthritis (and additional problem due to removel of humungous tumour/radiotherapy) and the massage really helps him. Hydrotherapy is meant to be very good too, although Max hates water so we thought perhaps not.
May be worth looking into something like that?
It is horrible (and scary) when there's an unknown problem

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she went hydro when our origninal vets fobbed me off sayin gshe had wrist injuries.... so i quit agility.. so spent between £20-£40 a week as my insurance didnt cover it :(

will definately go again if she needs it though -however current vet says is not necessary :x

im so confused - hence needing to know exactly what we are dealing with :(
 
arclight said:
If it is arthritis brown rice in the dog's diet may help. I have known folk who swore by it for improving the condition.
Perhaps also a supplement like:-
http://www.healthspan.co.uk/vetvits-pet-health/flexi-joints-for-dogs/productdetail-p3188-c3182.aspx

Could the dog have been over exercised in puppyhood. That can cause the onset of joint and bone problems.
Hope you get the trouble resolved soon.
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She started agility at 12 months - so that could be a factor. However it still dosent tell me exactly whats up :( sadly

just took her to the beach etc - only out for about 30 mins and 2.5 hours in the car..... shes really stiff and still lame - just thank god i made tha vets appointment for tues :)
 
Thank goodness my Airedale only has a poorly tummy, and the vet reckons the medication should have him sorted in a couple of weeks, but two vet visits have cost £475 so far and the bill has to be settled before I get anything back from the insurer's.
Hope you get dog sorted soon.
 
Suze, our vet has told us there is pretty much nothing that will help with arthritis, but I am willing to try anything.
Max wears a magnetic collar (he has had joint problems since he was 1, and has had this his whole life - any time he has been without it, we have noticed a difference). He is on Metacam and also has food with joint supplements in, plus Vetvits. I also now massage his joints every day.
It is odd actually, I will try any quackery for the dog I would dismiss for myself :lol:.

There again my doctor told me not much could be done for my back pain, whereas the osteopath fixed it.

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One of our old dogs had bad arthirtis and HD and had a set of three injections twice a year although I am having difficulty remembering what it was (something like cortizone) which kept him agile and happy until the next set of shots...
 
just a thought, Suze.
Have you asked the breeder if any of the other pups or parents have had this bother.
If so it may give a clue to what the problem is.
 
thanks all :)

vets said a tad of arthritus in her frount - tbh i know with arthritus theres nothing they can do but tbh at 3 - im now not willing to just leave it and see how she goes.....

vets still tues - 2.40 - sorta cant wait so i can get this over with and get my dog back!!!


on a happier note - i took the little monster to wales today (literally 20/25 mins on 2 beaches) rhyl and abergele.... and then we went to parkgate (omfg what a placee!!!!) im going back there in a few weeks!! with camera - no dog lol but got this pic after she stopped wrigling and trying to comit dog suicide jumping over the flippin promenade :lol:

good job shes well trained in "no and sit" :lol: :lol:

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:)
 
update on millie;

took her to the vets today and shes now been refered to the university of liverpool (leahurst) great place and tbh i wish she had gone there in the first place !
 
Fingers crossed you get an answer a last
 
Good luck with the specialist, at least now you know she's in really good hands...
 
Keep us updated Suze . . . I really hope it's sorted soon.

Our dog gets arthritis in her hips, particularly during the cold weather . . . not really surprising as she's 17 now.
I've found massaging the joints and using a warm hot water bottle tends to ease it for her . . . might be worth a try until you get a more permanent solution.
 
Hope you find out what it is and that it's able to be sorted, or at the very least you find out what it is and can work with it.

Our eldest greyhound Tilly (she's 13 years going on 18 months) has arthritis, she's now on 50mg of Carprodyl twice daily. She also gets cod liver oil and glucosamine in her breakfast. The carprodyl helps her massively, without it she has difficulty walking.

Our youngest greyhound Bill (6 years old now) gets rosehip twice a day that we get from healthspan. He suffered a race injury before we rescued him and has problems with his back legs, it could take him literally a minute to be able to lower himself down, but the rosehip seems to help a great deal.
 
Aww she is lovely, will be watching this with interest.
Did she always bunnyhop her back legs, don't really know a lot about the breed but in GSDs it can be a sign of HD
 
Gremlin said:
Aww she is lovely, will be watching this with interest.
Did she always bunnyhop her back legs, don't really know a lot about the breed but in GSDs it can be a sign of HD
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its weird you mention that as i noticed the other day that she bunnyhopped when she ran - however i cant remember her being any other way?? (or isit that i havent noticed before)!?

i am taking her out tomorow - i have the referal consultation on thursday so i plan to get some more videos (her on a field running too)... by then. I am getting as many videos as possible to help them indiagnosing her. :)
 
I wouldn't worry too much about HD it's not a major problem, they can live a pretty normal life.
 
suze23 said:
its weird you mention that as i noticed the other day that she bunnyhopped when she ran - however i cant remember her being any other way?? (or isit that i havent noticed before)!?

i am taking her out tomorow - i have the referal consultation on thursday so i plan to get some more videos (her on a field running too)... by then. I am getting as many videos as possible to help them indiagnosing her. :)
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Has the vet not watched your dog walk. Joint manipulation usually gives the vet a sign that HD may be present following which he would want to X-ray to confirm or rule it out.

Glad you are getting a referral to have her seen by specialists. It's the only way you'll get a diagnosis and a way forward.
 
I don't wish to come across as uncaring, I can only go with my own experience of my last dog, she also suffered greatly from athritis mainly in hind quarters, tried so many methods, vets, old wives rememdies none which really worked towards a cure but as you already know there's not a lot can be done for it...at least that was the case about 10 years ago. My dog was the same she would make a superhuman/dog effort to please you even though you could see she was in great pain while trying.

I ended up making the hardest decision I've ever had to take in my life and that was to end her suffering and have her put to sleep, which the vet agreed was the humane thing to do. I've never had another dog since because I couldn't go through all thes emotions again.

A lot of folk will hang onto their dog when it is clearly suffering from something which will only get worse or have a temporary fix. If there is definitely no chance of a cure then would it not be better to think about ending the pain and suffering to the dog.
 
arclight said:
Has the vet not watched your dog walk. Joint manipulation usually gives the vet a sign that HD may be present following which he would want to X-ray to confirm or rule it out.

Glad you are getting a referral to have her seen by specialists. It's the only way you'll get a diagnosis and a way forward.
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yes. she had her hips x rayed 2 years ago as i was convinced she had HD as she walks really weir d(springer collie mix iguess??)

i agree - about the specialists - i feel flipping awful on the other specialist but my dog always comes first :)

frank said:
I don't wish to come across as uncaring, I can only go with my own experience of my last dog, she also suffered greatly from athritis mainly in hind quarters, tried so many methods, vets, old wives rememdies none which really worked towards a cure but as you already know there's not a lot can be done for it...at least that was the case about 10 years ago. My dog was the same she would make a superhuman/dog effort to please you even though you could see she was in great pain while trying.

I ended up making the hardest decision I've ever had to take in my life and that was to end her suffering and have her put to sleep, which the vet agreed was the humane thing to do. I've never had another dog since because I couldn't go through all thes emotions again.

A lot of folk will hang onto their dog when it is clearly suffering from something which will only get worse or have a temporary fix. If there is definitely no chance of a cure then would it not be better to think about ending the pain and suffering to the dog.
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i get your point but id just like to point out my dog is NOT suffering.... i know you didnt mean it like that but id just want to clear that up..
(and im not having a go just stating)

my last dog had a stroke then did her cruciate ligament - she was 9 and could have had 10 weeks cage rest then been on the lead for the rest of her life..... i choose to do the right thing by my dog and sent her to doggie heaven. broke my heart but dogs always come before my feelings.


Millie (dog in question) is different - she will bounce/play and shes actually a happy dog..... and in slight discomfort imo... not pain. (thank god)!

Mils always comes first - i work my life around my dog - not the other way round :)
 
Any news yet, how did it go Suze ?
 
update;

well we went the vets yesterday who diagnosed elbow displasia (sp) from the first vets x rays and ct's *insert eyerolling smilie here*

*then picture livid suze*....

she also has problems with her carpi and soemthing else with her back leg - all very minor and no treatment yet unless she goes worse.

vet was due to ring me today with more joint fluid results - but nothing as of yet.

so i wil chase him up monday (poss tues as i have exams)... and i could do without any more bad news until after tues afternoon.

thanks for asking about her ingrid. :)
 
Never heard of ED, Suze.
Having a lab I certainly have heard plenty about HD and the need not to breed from dogs that don't have an excellent hip score.

However, at least you are on the way to having a full diagnosis.
No doubt the vet will advise on future exercise (maybe worth asking about swimming since exercise without weight on joints may be beneficial or at least minimise symptoms).
Fingers crossed.
 
Thanks for the update Suze, glad to hear it's not too bad at the moment, my last GSD lived with HD to the grand age of 12 and then it was heart failure that got him. :( , we did agility in his younger days, he loved it and I decided a short happy life would be better then a long boring one for him. Keeep me up to date please.
Dougie you may be more familiar with the term OCD as an elbow problem, that can result from elbow dysplasia
sa
 
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thanks both :)

shes currently flat out on the sofa after a nice run today. My mum i staking her for a good 30-40 mins walk tomorow and i am taking her for a 30 mins run - just pushing her now to see if that back leg goes any worse (sounds mean but it really is necessary)...

I have retired her from competitive agility, however i might see about taking her back to the club for some nice contact equipment and some low jumps - depends how bad it could make her long term - but i agree ingrid - short happy life rather than a long boring one. we will wsee what the vet says :)

shes my new obedience dog anyhow - she how she goes with that - shes matured a lot in the past few weeks - mabey shes realised she has to take things a tad slower? but still - she needs a job to do!

as for alterntaive therpies - a vet down the road does accupunctre? im insured for that so may as well use up my entire vet fees as she is never going to be insured for these legs again si i cant re-claim! :)

will keep you posted :)
 
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