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big soft moose said:
he would have been more believable if he'd claimed he couldnt remember what happened..... because he was legless at the time :coat:
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ba doom tish.. he's here all week (unless the mods get the ban hammer out!)
 
ecoleman said:
Fantastic, SA has a major problem on their hands with rhino poaching. SA have ramped up anti poaching and are making an example of offenders. ( well those that are not shot on the spot)
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andy700 said:
You just don't get it do you?
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Well I agree 100% with @ecoleman, so apparently I don't get it either. The only thing is, I don't know what it is I'm not getting.
 
andy700 said:
You just don't get it do you?
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What don't I get Andy? A Poacher was convicted of murder. I get that the poacher was going to and probably already had, hacked the face off a Rhino to sell for profit.

Having lived amongst these majestic animals for a number of years in SA, any poacher caught, should have his nuts cut off and left to bleed out in the bush, just like their victims.
 
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ecoleman said:
Please, go and live in SA for 20 years and let's see if you have the same views when you return.

And again, the hollow point ammo is NOT illegal in SA.
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i still reckon that had pistorious not have been a famous sportsman, the outcome would have been drastically different.
 
StewartR said:
Well I agree 100% with @ecoleman, so apparently I don't get it either. The only thing is, I don't know what it is I'm not getting.
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OK then read the original link.
The poacher was jailed for murder, because the justice system (that is a complete joke) of South Africa decided that the person (the trooper)who really killed the other poacher should go scot free, and the surviving poacher should be jailed for murder, because it was somehow his fault that the trooper killed the other guy - bizarre or what?
Imagine the scenario. We go to rob a bank. I get shot by the police and die, you survive so therefore you get jailed for murdering me.
If you cannot see anything wrong with that, then I think there must be a couple of crossed wires in your grey matter.
 
andy700 said:
OK then read the original link.
The poacher was jailed for murder, because the justice system (that is a complete joke) of South Africa decided that the person (the trooper)who really killed the other poacher should go scot free, and the surviving poacher should be jailed for murder, because it was somehow his fault that the trooper killed the other guy - bizarre or what?
Imagine the scenario. We go to rob a bank. I get shot by the police and die, you survive so therefore you get jailed for murdering me.
If you cannot see anything wrong with that, then I think there must be a couple of crossed wires in your grey matter.
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Nope, I don't see anything wrong with it. Rangers and anti poaching teams are in the bush chasing down heavily armed poachers. They are instructed to shoot to kill so no anti poaching ranger is going to face murder charges if they shoot a poacher.

As I said before, the justice system is making an example of those caught so as to send a message to the many others out there.

What you have to remember is the poacher gets very little reward for poaching a horn or tusk, the people that make the big bucks are the king pins that hire the poachers to kill the animal and then sells the horn to Asia for ludicrous amounts of money. If shooting poachers on the spot, or locking the up for a long long time deters them from taking the job in the first place, the we are a step closer to saving a few animals.

So no matter how crazy you think the justice system is in this case, there is a very good reason why it's done. It is after all Africa
 
ecoleman said:
So no matter how crazy you think the justice system is in this case, there is a very good reason why it's done. It is after all Africa
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There may be a very good reason for locking the guy up, but he did not commit order………. and should be convicted or something else

(I am a big supporter of what they are trying to do in S Africa to protect wildlife - Rhino horn is now worth more than gold per ounce and shark fins, for which the guys on the beach get $2 for are sold on for lots of money - we visit S Africa, (the "nice parts"), each year for about a month and I usually have a couple of days "on safari" - the luxury type …… but I have seen what these poachers do to Rhinos, they wound the animal, and some use a chain saw to remove the horn, they spend days in the bush and are armed with AK47 type weapons - they will shoot game wardens on sight)……….. and the situation is getting worse ……….I think that the average daily wage of a farm or mine worker in S Africa if they are lucky is £10 a day, (say Rand 150), ………… so consider why they take the risk)
 
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Apparently, Pistorius cried himself to sleep last night. I would have hoped that it's not the first time he's shown real remorse...
 
Nod said:
Apparently, Pistorius cried himself to sleep last night. I would have hoped that it's not the first time he's shown real remorse...
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maybe was just crying cos his bum was a bit sore.....................:rolleyes:
 
Nod said:
Apparently, Pistorius cried himself to sleep last night. I would have hoped that it's not the first time he's shown real remorse...
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More likely to be "Oh woe is me".
 
Lynton said:
Friend of a friend is currently at her majesty's pleasure (don't know what for) and as mate was saying to me "You've got two choices, give it or have it given to you." I assume this was related to incidences of picking up bars of soap etc...
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A bit off topic I know, but this sort of thing has always puzzled me. I've heard similar things before. But why? The general incidence of homosexuality in the population is usually estimated at about 2-5%, depending on exactly how it's defined and how it's asked. So what's different about prisons?
 
Nothing else available?:eek:

My mother always told me it was better to give than to receive. I guess this is especially so in prison :oops: :$

Not that I have any experience either way :cough:
 
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looks like the state is going to appeal the verdict and sentence
 
but not to not noticing his girl friend wasnt in bed with him , or against the witnesses who alledgedly heard raised voices shortly before the gunshots
 
simonblue said:
Yep i would have thought the very first thing you would do,is check where your love one are :confused:
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Exactly. Shortly before pursuing said intruder to where he is....inside a locked toilet within a locked bathroom. :confused:
 
To be honest i wouldnt be keeping a 9mm pistol on the floor under my bed in the first place .... locked in a gun safe in the bedroom would be preferable

Also if home invasion was that much of a threat (which in some areas of Saff it is) i'd be inclined to put bars or grills on accesible windows like the alledged one in the bathroom through which he supposedly feared intruders had accessed

As I said earlier i still incline to the view that bloke and girl have a row , which escalates to the point where she locks herself in the bathroom and then he fires four through the door in a fit of uncontrolled rage (okay so maybe he didnt actually intend to kill her, may be he was trying to shoot the locks off or something but still) then on calming down and realising what he's done he comes up with a load of cobblers about home invaders because he doesnt have the cojones to own his actions
 
big soft moose said:
To be honest i wouldnt be keeping a 9mm pistol on the floor under my bed in the first place .... locked in a gun safe in the bedroom would be preferable

Also if home invasion was that much of a threat (which in some areas of Saff it is) i'd be inclined to put bars or grills on accesible windows like the alledged one in the bathroom through which he supposedly feared intruders had accessed

As I said earlier i still incline to the view that bloke and girl have a row , which escalates to the point where she locks herself in the bathroom and then he fires four through the door in a fit of uncontrolled rage (okay so maybe he didnt actually intend to kill her, may be he was trying to shoot the locks off or something but still) then on calming down and realising what he's done he comes up with a load of cobblers about home invaders because he doesnt have the cojones to own his actions
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I think the same :(
 
I alsoo wouldn't fire through a door at an intruder as you can't aim and stand a sporting chance of missing and getting return fire, I'd be inclined to draw a bead on the door and wait for him to open it then shoot him several times in the head exploiting the tactical advantage of suprise
 
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This certainly has been interesting reading..

I am surprised that he wasn't convicted of murder through Doulos Eventualis intent...if you believe your actions are likely to result in the death of someone and you proceed with that action then it (should) suffice for the intent required. He had Black Talon/hollow point ammunition. Anyone and everyone with half a bean's knowledge firearms and ammunition knows that such ammunition is designed to cause mass trauma and for stopping power (read death!). Four shots through a door into a confined (and he knew it was confined) area, knowing the layout of the area within that space and where a person might likely to be standing/cowering is likely to hit them. Again this coupled with the ammunition used...death is highly likely.

Sleeping with the firearm under his bed/pillow...not so unusual in SA. Checking with your partner in bed once you've heard a noise you think might be intruders...would guessitmate that 95/100 people would probably do that. If he was so concerned about his security, why did he sleep with the patio doors open? Why, upon suspecting that intruders were in the bathroom, did he not remove himself and Reeva from the danger completely and call the security guard. Why didn't he activate the alarm? Offenders in SA know that the huge majority of alarms are linked to armed response, especially on an estate like that. Automation is one defence, however he admitted in court that he had the foresight not to shoot a warning shot as it might ricochet.

5 years (10 months) is a joke though and I fear it sets a precedent for other cases. Oh well..
 
DorsetDude said:
You've been reading too many Lee Child books.
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well to be fair I doubt jack reacher would shoot his girlfreind then lie about it to all and sundry.

however my experience of violence isnt purely limited to the printed page... I was briefly a soilder and many of my freinds still are, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise that giving away the advantage of being armed and ready for an intruder who doesnt realise you are even awake is stupid

Although not as stupid as shooting your girlfreind through the bathroom door whether by accident or design , which is monumentally stupid
 
big soft moose said:
but not to not noticing his girl friend wasnt in bed with him , or against the witnesses who alledgedly heard raised voices shortly before the gunshots
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The evidence about voices have been dismissed in court - too many different version which contradict the recognised timeline (recorded information like phone logs etc.)

How about this for a possible outcome.

Noises heard & Oscar wakes, noticed Reeva isn't there & shouts to her, Reeva shuts & locks the toilet door thinking that will make her safe, Oscar hears to locking of the door and suspect that's where the intruder is and opens fire.


viv1969 said:
Exactly. Shortly before pursuing said intruder to where he is....inside a locked toilet within a locked bathroom. :confused:
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in a toilet in a bathroom with a window he said he heard opening - a possible entry point for an intruder


big soft moose said:
To be honest i wouldnt be keeping a 9mm pistol on the floor under my bed in the first place .... locked in a gun safe in the bedroom would be preferable
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And this brings us back to the point I was trying to make - South Africe isn't the UK!

Home intrusion where the intruders are armed and willing to kill aren't uncommon - if you want to be able to defend yourself you have to be able to get your defence almost instantly
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
in a toilet in a bathroom with a window he said he heard opening - a possible entry point for an intruder
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which should have had a grill on it if he was that concerned about home invasion ... and the patio doors shouldnt have been left open either... and would you really hear a window opening through a closed door, but not hear the woman in the bathroom




Uneducated_Rick said:
And this brings us back to the point I was trying to make - South Africe isn't the UK!

Home intrusion where the intruders are armed and willing to kill aren't uncommon - if you want to be able to defend yourself you have to be able to get your defence almost instantly
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indeed - in the UK possesion of a 9mm would be unlawful - in SA you'd want it where you could lay hands on it instantly , such as in a locked drawer of a bed side table where you could just open it and pick it up and fire.... you wouldn't want it on the floor where you'd have to grovel about to pick it up (also I'd want my emergency gun to be a revolver - automatics have a nasty tendency to jam if you leave the magazines loaded for long periods of time)
 
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