Piers Morgan tries to interview Alex Jones

Ricardodaforce said:
C'mon give the guy a break! What kind of welcome is that?
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Simple it's the kind of welcome I would give to anyone who comes to a photography forum and goes right to the part that has nothing to do with photography. Let the admins check him out if they think its fine then I'm happy to agree with them.
 
I didn't come straight to this section, I posted in the welcome section and then browsed new posts.

Get over yourself Pepi. **** you and this photography site. There must be more out there
 
Tographer said:
I didn't come straight to this section, I posted in the welcome section and then browsed new posts.

Get over yourself Pepi. **** you and this photography site. There must be more out there
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Blimey! Someone needs a sugary drink methinks :D
 
Just felt that being new here and eager to learn, Pepi was being a bit petty. If that's the general attitude on here (especially going by this thread) d rather not be part of it
 
pepi1967 said:
Or less multiple user accounts? :shrug:
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Exactly what i was thinking.

Back on topic, i've met lots of lovely Americans, a few ignorant ones and a couple of downright scary ones.
 
pepi1967 said:
Or less multiple user accounts? :shrug:
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There's no evidence of that. Maybe if you'd just done the tiniest bit of research before publically calling someone out as a troll? Howabout you don't anyway, if you have a suspicion, you report the post.

A very poor way to welcome new members
 
Julie1979 said:
Exactly what i was thinking.

Back on topic, i've met lots of lovely Americans, a few ignorant ones and a couple of downright scary ones.
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There ya go. Now THAT'S a much healthier attitude!
Tographer......tata :D
 
Julie1979 said:
Exactly what i was thinking.

Back on topic, i've met lots of lovely Americans, a few ignorant ones and a couple of downright scary ones.
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The same as all walks of life I would say. But I can only speak as I find and when I've been over to the states they have always been great.
 
fabs said:
There's no evidence of that. Maybe if you'd just done the tiniest bit of research before publically calling someone out as a troll? Howabout you don't anyway, if you have a suspicion, you report the post.

A very poor way to welcome new members
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I did report the post.
 
What a lovely way to treat a new member.

Do you think they should stay in the Welcome area for a few weeks before having to post? All members whether new or old can post in whichever section they wish without having to expect the sort of attitude you have shown here. In fact, the Out of Focus section is probably easier to start in and get to know people.
 
fabs said:
There's no evidence of that. Maybe if you'd just done the tiniest bit of research before publically calling someone out as a troll? Howabout you don't anyway, if you have a suspicion, you report the post.

A very poor way to welcome new members
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Thank god for a sensible interjection :thumbs:

viv1969 said:
Tographer......tata :D
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:|
 
Stick with us. It is a good forum, have a little browse around and you'll see that on the large part it's worth sticking around for
 
Tographer said:
Sorry to cause the hassle. Guess il just browse or a while :)
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You haven't caused any hassle so make sure you stick around. The only ones causing hassle are the usual suspects and as you can see a couple of them have earned time off for their behaviour.

I look forward to seeing some of your images.
 
joescrivens said:
terrible generalisation here.

I've worked and met with hundreds of americans, all are different.

There are many americans who do not want guns in their country who do not think like the guy on the video
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youve met hundreds and none have shot you? ;):D

Tographer said:
I didn't come straight to this section, I posted in the welcome section and then browsed new posts.

Get over yourself Pepi. **** you and this photography site. There must be more out there
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take a deep breathe and count to 10...

fracster said:
Stick around, join in and enjoy.
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absolutely! :)
 
Whew, this thread took some twists and turns since the last time I looked!

I think it's pretty difficult to generalise about 300,000,000 people who live in a country 35x the size of the UK. The variety of people and living situations—whether large cities, countryside, desert, rolling plains, or arctic tundra—ensure a diversity of thought, opinion, and behaviour.

I don't really mind when someone says that they haven't liked the Americans that they've met, but I don't think it's at all fair to talk about 'typical Americans', as I'm pretty certain there isn't one.

Yeah, a number of Americans may be a bit insular, but I've found many similar people here in the UK, as well as Australia and New Zealand. In defence of those Americans (and the Kiwis and Aussies), however, it is far more difficult for them to travel abroad than it is for those of us here in the UK.

We can pop onto a quick easyJet flight or a Eurostar train and we're in Europe for the weekend for peanuts (and presumably more 'worldly' for doing so). This type of travel just isn't possible for most Americans; they can fly for six hours and still not have left the country!

Hey, I've met folk here that have thought that the Republic of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, so I know that the USA doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.
 
skysh4rk said:
Whew, this thread took some twists and turns since the last time I looked!

I think it's pretty difficult to generalise about 300,000,000 people who live in a country 35x the size of the UK. The variety of people and living situations—whether large cities, countryside, desert, rolling plains, or arctic tundra—ensure a diversity of thought, opinion, and behaviour.

I don't really mind when someone says that they haven't liked the Americans that they've met, but I don't think it's at all fair to talk about 'typical Americans', as I'm pretty certain there isn't one.

Yeah, a number of Americans may be a bit insular, but I've found many similar people here in the UK, as well as Australia and New Zealand. In defence of those Americans (and the Kiwis and Aussies), however, it is far more difficult for them to travel abroad than it is for those of us here in the UK.

We can pop onto a quick easyJet flight or a Eurostar train and we're in Europe for the weekend for peanuts (and presumably more 'worldly' for doing so). This type of travel just isn't possible for most Americans; they can fly for six hours and still not have left the country!

Hey, I've met folk here that have thought that the Republic of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, so I know that the USA doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance.
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Well put RJ.
 
I finally got round to watching the interview last night. What an angry, unreasonable man. I'm undecided on my opinion of how Piers handled it. He seemed to just want to let him rant and make a fool of himself.
 
Getting back to the OP, I have watched the whole video of the confrontation (you cannot call it an interview or debate), and what made me really annoyed, was Alex Jones' assertion that the UK was a far more violent country than the US - he called us the "crime capital of Europe". He also went on to call Piers Morgan a "redcoat" and then tried to mimic a stereotypical English accent at the end.
The only thing that Alex Jones was interested in was aggressively shouting down Piers Morgan, and all that bluster and lack of intelligence is typical of the NRA and other pro gun people. It is not typical of all Americans, in the same way that the BNP does not represent the views of all people who live in the UK.
The ownership of firearms, is seen in the USA as a kind of "sacred cow", when in reality it is the "elephant in the room", who nobody wishes to confront, because of the huge political power/influence which the gun lobby has.
The US needs to examine the death toll each year, to fully understand World wide criticism of its mad gun laws.

Each year in the US, there are around 10,000 gun deaths.

This is more than the total number of coalition deaths in the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts since 2001
 
the guy was a bully and threatening Piers,what ever you think of Piers he didnt deserve all that and the anti British nonsense which could be seen as racist.

i think he did more to confirm they need gun control than anyone so far.

could you imagine the result of cutting him up in traffic by mistake?
 
Well, not racist - more xenophobic.

The guy is a proper extreme paranoid nut. I find him funny more than anything - his outlook on life is so far removed from mine it's impossible to take him seriously - especially with that loud-mouth, brash demeanour.
 
I'm surprised he didn't pull a gun out on Piers.
It's crazy to think that someone that volatile is allowed to own guns.
 
I actually thought that the guy he was 'trying' to have a debate with was a complete and utter tool. It wasn't a debate, just an obnoxious, loud, interrupting American that was filled with anger & rage... oh and he's armed to the mofo teeth. He keeps going on about having guns for home defence. In america, yes i'd buy that, but why the f does he need 50 guns? Also what is this american thing with owning an AR-15 for home defence? Its not like they live in afghanistan. If you really gotta justify owning a fully automatic assault rifle, then you need to move house.

If there is one thing I have learned its a waste of time debating gun control to americans, the few times i have seen TV interviews, the pro gun nuts will not let anyone else get a word in, without interrupting them or not answering the questions they are being asked.

I saw a video on liveleak yesterday about some 7 year old boy that hid himself and his sister in the bathroom because 3 armed men forced their way inside after ringing the doorbelland had their parents at gunpoint. The kid called the police and the armed intruders got away. In the comments section there was some guy that wrote "So glad i got me an Ar-15 I would decorate my hall with their brains. My response is below in italics...

Hey, you seem to know what you are doing. So when your doorbell rings and you happily go up to answer it like the family in this video did and you are met with 3 armed men locked stocked and safety off, to which they force their way inside. Your AR-15 is safely behind lock and key in another room. Well it better be, because if you truly are a 'responsible gun owner for home defence' then it really should not be lying around for anyone to pick up, like say a kid, because god knows that sort of thing never happens when kids pick up daddies gun and shoot themselves thinking its a toy do they?. Back on topic, when you freak the f--k out and try to run to where you keep your legally owned firearm/machinegun, the intruders unload their guns into your back. Now you draw your last breath while choking on blood, you can raise your fist defiantly into the air and shout "Thank god I have fire arms for home defence. God bless 'Murica" Then you die and your weapons for home defence, proves to be absolutley worthless, because no responsible gun owner or someone of sound mind will ever answer their front door with a gun pressed up against it, because if they do, then they live in a bad neighborhood and need to move fast, or they have some mental paranoia issues and probably shouldn't be in possession of a hand gun int eh first place. The end
 
Thats a very specific example though. For the most part I doubt that the armed criminals normally knock on the door in the first place. They would generally break in at which point if you're in bed and the gun locker is in your bedroom then you have every chance to protect yourself and family.

Still dont think they need asualt rifles etc though. A handgun would be sufficient. I'm on the fence when it comes to the gun laws, some things I agree with and others I don't.
 
Yes but the problem is especially with this nut Alex Jones is that whenever you try to put your arguement forward, they always bleat on about the 2nd ammendment rights and every 'Murican must own a vulcan mini gun to protect them for when the Koreans invade... After all America doesn't have a big enough armed forces to deal with such a thing. But its laughable at the amount of americans that go on about how they would bust a cap in the ass of a burglar, when most would realistically be in shock or not actually have the bottle to do it.
 
I hate be defeatist about this, but I think gun control in the USA is a lost cause. There is too much money being made and it is too deeply ingrained in the culture. There are too many guns in circulation in the USA to ever get a grip on the situation.

In the UK the gun lobby is relatively weak, so we are lucky that we can make some progress with the situation. My personal view is that in a normal society with a good rule of law there is no justification for a private citizen to keep a gun. Unfortunately, there is very little hope of improving things in the US as the situation is too out of control.
 
Remember though, AJ's angle for justifying assault rifles etc is to enable US citizens to protect themselves against their own government should it turn tyrannical (which, judging by the conspiracy drivel he spouts on his website, he thinks has already happened).

What I find really incredible is how many apparently normal folk that are taken in by his nonsense and appear to take him seriously.
 
ZoneV said:
Remember though, AJ's angle for justifying assault rifles etc is to enable US citizens to protect themselves against their own government should it turn tyrannical (which, judging by the conspiracy drivel he spouts on his website, he thinks has already happened).

What I find really incredible is how many apparently normal folk that are taken in by his nonsense and appear to take him seriously.
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I have been trying to find a way to put that point into words and you got the nail on the head, he really should have gone the full hog and attended the interview in guerilla military fatigues and a tin foil hat. He is no different than those crazy conspiracy theorists or those that stand with billboards saying the end is nigh. The only difference is he is very angry and has 50 firearms 50 for god sake, theres a big difference between buying a gun for home defence to living in a fortified armoury

The main problem with Americas gun problem is they have had it too easy for too long. For many years the government turned a blind eye to the problems that were brewing on the streets. Now too many of the wrong people have guns, there is a school massacre happening too regularly and a nut job walking about picking people off and NOW they try to say that they need to look at tightening the law. A bit late when most of the country is already armed, legally and illegally. Forget the 2nd ammendment, its a right not a privelige, there are too many people who have arms who probably should not have been allowed them. Americans should have been better screening and medical checking procedures put into place and assess each person on risk and take into account any previous criminal history or mental illnesses. If any american sees that as a problem, then they obviously have something to hide. That guy that shot up the cinema last year, whats the bet he walked into a gun shop, filled out a brief questionaire and said "I need it for home defence... don't preach any crap to me its my right."
 
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PatrickO said:
I hate be defeatist about this, but I think gun control in the USA is a lost cause. There is too much money being made and it is too deeply ingrained in the culture. There are too many guns in circulation in the USA to ever get a grip on the situation.

In the UK the gun lobby is relatively weak, so we are lucky that we can make some progress with the situation. My personal view is that in a normal society with a good rule of law there is no justification for a private citizen to keep a gun. Unfortunately, there is very little hope of improving things in the US as the situation is too out of control.
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That unfortunately is the reality of the situation in the US Patrick.
 
I just had a look at Alex Jones' twitter account. If you have a spare minute have a look yourself. It's so extreme I'm not sure if it isn't Sacha Baron Cohen's most elaborate and convincing character yet!
 
archamedes said:
I have been trying to find a way to put that point into words and you got the nail on the head, he really should have gone the full hog and attended the interview in guerilla military fatigues and a tin foil hat. He is no different than those crazy conspiracy theorists or those that stand with billboards saying the end is nigh. The only difference is he is very angry and has 50 firearms 50 for god sake, theres a big difference between buying a gun for home defence to living in a fortified armoury

The main problem with Americas gun problem is they have had it too easy for too long. For many years the government turned a blind eye to the problems that were brewing on the streets. Now too many of the wrong people have guns, there is a school massacre happening too regularly and a nut job walking about picking people off and NOW they try to say that they need to look at tightening the law. A bit late when most of the country is already armed, legally and illegally. Forget the 2nd ammendment, its a right not a privelige, there are too many people who have arms who probably should not have been allowed them. Americans should have been better screening and medical checking procedures put into place and assess each person on risk and take into account any previous criminal history or mental illnesses. If any american sees that as a problem, then they obviously have something to hide. That guy that shot up the cinema last year, whats the bet he walked into a gun shop, filled out a brief questionaire and said "I need it for home defence... don't preach any crap to me its my right."
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The big problem with "Murkans" and buying guns Dave, is that it is no more difficult than going into a golf shop and coming out with a new driver - probably if you went to Walmart, you could buy both at the same time - plus some .762 ammo and a box of gleaming white Titleist balls.:(
 
TriggerHappy said:
I just had a look at Alex Jones' twitter account. If you have a spare minute have a look yourself. It's so extreme I'm not sure if it isn't Sacha Baron Cohen's most elaborate and convincing character yet!
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If you want to taste a complete alternative reality, visit his site (I won't mention it here but it's linked to from his twitter bio). I believe it isn't meant to be fiction so be warned - your brain may try to escape through your ears. :gag:

Did you see the video he posted following his interview, when he returned to his hotel - "Armed Mafia Are Stalking Us"? :lol:

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I swear, the biggest threat to mankind will soon be loud, popular bullshiners.
 
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andy700 said:
The big problem with "Murkans" and buying guns Dave, is that it is no more difficult than going into a golf shop and coming out with a new driver - probably if you went to Walmart, you could buy both at the same time - plus some .762 ammo and a box of gleaming white Titleist balls.:(
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Yeah I know, I guess its just strange and alien to us, because it is a completely different culture to ours and we don't have a need for guns, and even when handguns were legal in the UK, there was no mass urge to bear arms or anything like that. I mean I love guns, I have a bunch of paintball guns and an air rifle that I use on some land that i have permission to keep the bunny population down, but all my stuff is locked away when not in use.
 
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