Photography Genres - just cliches?

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Seems to me that now everyone has a camera of some sort and professes to be a 'pro', the world is flooded with far too many landscapes, weddings, sunrises, sunsets, HDR, fluffy water etc etc etc.

I am starting to think more and more strongly that photography should be about documenting life in the time, part of the world and society we live in.

In 50 years time is anyone really going to be looking back at yet another sunrise or fluffy waterfall? I think it is our responsibility as photographers to document our everyday lives and surroundings.

Look back at photos from the 50s, 60s and 70s and it is always everyday life photos that you see - did nobody take sunsets and sunrises in those days or do we just not see them as the interest is in the fashion, surroundings and lifestyle?

Discuss...
 
What Chris said.

As per your post, given how many photographs are taken nowadays I can't see there being a shortage of everyday images from now in years to come. Although a very real issue is how many of us are saving our photos, so many people take no care about ensuring there's a future for their digital files.

But photography as a hobby has expanded in all directions and it's difficult to see an end to that expansion.
 
Certainly the longeivity of the digital flood is questionable :D Having said that, the 'net' is probably here to stay so it's a question of how much effort and money is put into format conversion, which is what is required to keep the content current. I can't imagine there'll be a great deal of archiving of older stuff, although as long as there's organisations like the BBC making permenant records then we should retain more than mere snaphsots.
 
I certainly would love to document the world around me much more but i don't fancy being harassed,called a pervert or even arrested,such is the sad country that we have become we are more and more restricted to "Safe" subjects to photograph rather than trying to be this generations Cartier Bresson or Bill Brandt
 
It was interesting watching the Klein programme the other night, superb at capturing the street image, some of it wasnt great photography, but they were great images. He seemed to be totally engaged with his subjects, for me that makes great images.

Photography is very subjective and will continue to be, just like any form of Art. People take pictures of things that interest them. I like shooting landscapes as it gets me away from shooting people now and again.

I love seeing street pictures, as I think it captures lots of detail about the times we live in. We can see changes in fashion and design over our lifetimes, it becomes a historical reference as well as a photograph.

If you look through some of the Magnum Agency books, most of the images are of people, very few landscape pictures. If you study Ansel Adams work, there are no gimmics, just a purism of exposure, light and technical ability (darkroom dodging allowed).

How you take an image is important to some people, to others its irrelevent. When I view a photograph I dont care about the technical details. Its all about the image.

I think there are many fine photographers on this site who excel in totally different genres, and long may it continue.
 
It was interesting watching the Klein programme the other night, superb at capturing the street image, some of it wasnt great photography, but they were great images. He seemed to be totally engaged with his subjects, for me that makes great images.

Photography is very subjective and will continue to be, just like any form of Art. People take pictures of things that interest them. I like shooting landscapes as it gets me away from shooting people now and again.

I love seeing street pictures, as I think it captures lots of detail about the times we live in. We can see changes in fashion and design over our lifetimes, it becomes a historical reference as well as a photograph.

If you look through some of the Magnum Agency books, most of the images are of people, very few landscape pictures. If you study Ansel Adams work, there are no gimmics, just a purism of exposure, light and technical ability (darkroom dodging allowed).

How you take an image is important to some people, to others its irrelevent. When I view a photograph I dont care about the technical details. Its all about the image.

I think there are many fine photographers on this site who excel in totally different genres, and long may it continue.

Wery well put.
 
I think it's quite presumptuous to say that 'photography should be about (insert subject)'.

There seems to be, in certain circles, a snobbery surrounding the aforementioned landscape, long exposure, HDR, etc shots. Just because a lot if people try their hand at that genre of photography certainly does not make it less important or worthwhile than any other type of photography.

A properly executed landscape shot requires a high level of skill, understanding and technique and when it comes off can be magnificent.

I'm not even of the belief that a great photographer should excel in a variety of genres.

As has been stated previously, variety is one of the things that draws people from all walks of life to photography. For anyone to say photography should be about 'x' or 'y' is rather pompous in my opinion.
 
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Seems to me that now everyone has a camera of some sort and professes to be a 'pro', the world is flooded with far too many landscapes, weddings, sunrises, sunsets, HDR, fluffy water etc etc etc.

I am starting to think more and more strongly that photography should be about documenting life in the time, part of the world and society we live in.

In 50 years time is anyone really going to be looking back at yet another sunrise or fluffy waterfall? I think it is our responsibility as photographers to document our everyday lives and surroundings.

Look back at photos from the 50s, 60s and 70s and it is always everyday life photos that you see - did nobody take sunsets and sunrises in those days or do we just not see them as the interest is in the fashion, surroundings and lifestyle?

Discuss...


They do, its called Facebook :D
 
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Never leave unquestioned the motivation of those who would set boundaries on others' self-expression.

Photography has always been about everything.
 
It was an excellent programme.

Quite funny to see him doing the same juxtapositions with advertising in 1950s/1960s that the hipsters of today think is so 'now' and original.
 
What Chris said.

As per your post, given how many photographs are taken nowadays I can't see there being a shortage of everyday images from now in years to come. Although a very real issue is how many of us are saving our photos, so many people take no care about ensuring there's a future for their digital files.

But photography as a hobby has expanded in all directions and it's difficult to see an end to that expansion.

The archival permanence of everyday, vernacular photography is a great worry to me. The vast majority of people I know... not professionals.. just everyday, non photography oriented people have no regard for data integrity or back up. Most leave their photos on their iPhones un-backed up, or their laptops, and then forget to save them when they sell it, or even if they leave it on a train one day, never to be seen again. Back in the day, even if you didn't care, there'd be a box of negatives in a loft somewhere, waiting for someone to find during a house clearance after your death. These became a matter of vast curiosity to historians and artists. What will this generation be left with? The legacy of this will inevitably be orphaned in the cloud no doubt, but there's a definite lack of permanence associated with photography these days, and I think that shows in the style of vernacular photography these days too. It's not a bad thing, but the aesthetic of the vernacular has changed massively since the mass dissemination of imagery via the web.

Another worry is what future generations will make of photography from this period of time. The plethora of over processed, manipulated rubbish of the casual hobbyist, and the vibrancy of the snapshot aesthetic is greatly different to the prescriptive, formalised family snapshot of yesteryear, and the clean, obsession with reality in more pictorial photography from a few decades ago.

Previously, snapshots were taken in a totally different way, with it not being uncommon for the same roll of film to languish in the family camera for a whole year, with summer holiday shots at one end of the roll, and Christmas at the other. The poses were formal, and full of people saying "cheese". You only have to browse facebook now to see how the vernacular has changed. To me.. that's where interesting stuff is happening actually.


In 50 years time is anyone really going to be looking back at yet another sunrise or fluffy waterfall? I think it is our responsibility as photographers to document our everyday lives and surroundings.

Look back at photos from the 50s, 60s and 70s and it is always everyday life photos that you see - did nobody take sunsets and sunrises in those days or do we just not see them as the interest is in the fashion, surroundings and lifestyle?

Discuss...

People are still taking good documentary images, and good street images, and great reportage images, but the hobbyists these days seem to be going through a period of process led image making fuelled by the accessibility of image making compared to a couple of decades, or even perhaps as little as one decade ago. You only have to look around this, or any other forum to see the absolute reliance on post processing, and the sheer ubiquitousness of it. The thought of shooting something and doing nothing more than adjusting levels is unthinkable, whereas the holy grail of 2 decades ago was the perfect transparency straight out of the camera. Fact: It's far easier these days to produce good looking images than it was when you only had film to play with - you can get away with more now than you could then. That's allowing those who perhaps would have given up with film to carry on. That, in essence is a very good thing of course, but it's also a very bad thing. Some people.. most people if we're honest about it, would rather get the results without going through the years of practice those who learned on film needed to do.

Those who will be disagreeing with that statement are not the subject OF that statement however and the ones I'm referring to will probably not be taking part in this debate anyway I imagine.

As for fluffy waterfall, sunset, flower (including insects on flowers) and other purely technique driven imagery, well, that's actually always been there, and has been the mainstay of the hobbyist photographer for as long as I can remember. Nothing new there. It's just more prevalent now, as more people are treating photography as a hobby... because it's more accessible, and easier than it ever was. 20 years ago, most people who regard this as a hobby now, wouldn't have bothered with it: Too expensive, time consuming, and difficult.


At the end of the day, you shoot what you want, and to hell with everyone else. We all have our preferences.
 
As for fluffy waterfall, sunset, flower (including insects on flowers) and other purely technique driven imagery, well, that's actually always been there, and has been the mainstay of the hobbyist photographer for as long as I can remember.

I can relate to fluffy waterfall imagery as being technique driven, just as I could relate to HDR, pseudo-HDR, posterisation, solarisation, narrow dof and falling droplet imagery as being technique driven, but in what way are sunset, flower and insect on flower imagery technique driven compared to the types of imagery you are thinking of as being not technique driven? What are the techniques that are driving sunset, flower and insect on flower images?
 
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In 50 years time is anyone really going to be looking back at yet another sunrise or fluffy waterfall? I think it is our responsibility as photographers to document our everyday lives and surroundings.

I can only speak for myself but in 50 years I suspect I'll be gone.

The enjoyment I get from photography (and the reason I do it) is being out there - the here and now - not what I bring home or eventually leave behind.

I'd go as far as to say that if my photographs only lasted a day I would still enjoy it.
 
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Please caption your images. Future historians will be eternally grateful.:)
 
The plethora of over processed, manipulated rubbish of the casual hobbyist

Sorry but this was too smug, superior and patronising to ignore.

So what if I choose to 'over process' and 'manipulate my rubbish' My choice to achieve the result I want.

If I like the end result, even if it's sneered at by the intelligentsia as over processed manipulate rubbish, I shall continue.

Long live photoshop.
 
Steve said:
Sorry but this was too smug, superior and patronising to ignore.

So what if I choose to 'over process' and 'manipulate my rubbish' My choice to achieve the result I want.

If I like the end result, even if it's sneered at by the intelligentsia as over processed manipulate rubbish, I shall continue.

Long live photoshop.

Well said. The snobbery of some people is beyond comprehension sometimes.
 
jon ryan said:
Please caption your images. Future historians will be eternally grateful.:)

My Nan has always been a massive believer in this. On the back of every photograph she has is the date, location and people involved or reason for photo ie Christmas at so and so's 194whatever....

She instilled this in all of us from an early age so all our photos both film and digital are captioned. It really is good that I can see what great great aunty looked like etc
 
Please caption your images. Future historians will be eternally grateful.:)

My Nan has always been a massive believer in this. On the back of every photograph she has is the date, location and people involved or reason for photo ie Christmas at so and so's 194whatever....

She instilled this in all of us from an early age so all our photos both film and digital are captioned. It really is good that I can see what great great aunty looked like etc


Please give your nan a big kiss from my wife via me. She's a historian and that sort of information is priceless. Event the most insignificant bit of trivial info can fill in a blank or make an important link between two disparate bits of the past.
 
Pookeyhead
The plethora of over processed, manipulated rubbish of the casual hobbyist
Sorry but this was too smug, superior and patronising to ignore.

So what if I choose to 'over process' and 'manipulate my rubbish' My choice to achieve the result I want.

If I like the end result, even if it's sneered at by the intelligentsia as over processed manipulate rubbish, I shall continue.

Long live photoshop.
I once went to a party and had a really nice cake. I enjoyed it so much, I - through the process of trial and error that was enjoyable in itself - worked out how to make it myself, and I've enjoyed my own version of that cake many times since.

I once saw a heavily manipulated image that I liked very much.....
 
time is changing and we must adapt or go the way of the dinosaurs. Be flexible, find a niche, innovate .... educate, be active if you really care. Every photograph taken is a document of space and time no matter how rubbish you think it is. I think people just worry too much about others and think only their view right, life is too short just enjoy what you have.
 
They do, its called Facebook :D

This may have been said in jest, but in my eyes could be a very good point. Millions of users from all over the world storing their images of their every day lives, with captions, date tags, even comments from people in the images about what was going on. They may not be the best quality, or they may have 37 pictures of themselves in club toilets but that's what people are doing these days and so it's documented.

Also, there's the backlog of things that happened previously to the people in the pictures, i've linked this picture from a facebook page called "Southport Yesteryear" where they upload pictures from the past etc. It may be dull, but i wonder what he had for his breakfast that day? :lol: The "joys" of facebook/twitter/instagram would tell us that :lol:

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Sorry but this was too smug, superior and patronising to ignore.

So what if I choose to 'over process' and 'manipulate my rubbish' My choice to achieve the result I want.



You had no idea exactly what kind of work I was referring to, yet chose to associate your own work with my comments all by yourself without any help from me.

Define over processed?
 
What makes you think that documenting every day life isn't also flooded?

I went to Trentham Gardens Xmas light turn on tonight, there was a stage, singing, lasers, fireworks and 50% of the hundreds of people there were standing there recording it on their phones instead of taking in the event themselves. I mean, why watch it in all it's glory when you can view it on the back of a crappy phone screen?

It doesn't matter what area you are talking about, unless it is something highly specialised or somewhere difficult to get too there is always going to be far too many photos.

I would like clarification of why you included weddings in the initial post? Unless all the photos are about the same wedding then surely you would count that as just documenting the day?
 
With the use of iphones, instagram and facebook these days I am pretty sure there will be no shortage of life documented images to look back on in years to come. There'll be millions of pictures of what people ate for dinner, that big spider they found in their bedroom, starbucks coffee cups, their choice of clothing that day taken in the mirror, their new hair style, make-up choice or super cute nails they just painted, those "amazing" nights out including the trips to the bathroom.. actually especially those trips to the bathroom...

People take far too many pictures of everyday life nowadays, I appreciate an artistic shot of a sunset over that any day because my generation is kind of a joke. I'll be embarrassed to tell my future children and grandchildren that "yes, that's what people my age were like in those days"

Also Weddings not being real or documentary is a bit strange? There will only be as many weddings photographed as there are weddings, so it's hardly "too many".
 
Photography is changing because life is changing.

In the year 1998, it was estimated that around 80 billion photographs were taken each year, and 92% of those were on film. By the end of 2011 it was estimated that 380 billion photos were taken that year, with only 4 billion of those on film.

Think about the profound effects upon the dynamics of the process of image taking, and what uses those images are put to by the above facts.

In 1998, they'd have been taken, printed, looked at, then stuck in a draw. So even though 80 billion were taken, only a small fraction would be disseminated on the net, or seen outside of the immediate circle of peers. Not that many people were on the internet in 1998, and those who were may not have had a scanner... if you could turn the clock back and go searching for images in 1998 you'd be amazed at the difference. I think I first went on the net in around 1995, and it was nothing like it is now (yes I know I sound like an old man saying how it "all used to be fields around here"). Plus... no broadband back then... in 1996 it was 36K dial up.. 56k dial up if you were really posh!



Everything is flooded... every genre, every type of image imaginable is flooded. Essentially, I fail to see how this can be bad. Considering how shocking most people's attitude to data back up is, it's a good thing there are so many images, or future historians will have no damned records at all.
 
The plethora of over processed, manipulated rubbish of the casual hobbyist

I can just imagine that being said of most of Monet's and Dali's work at the time too :D

And don't forget many Pros make ridiculous sums from over processed, manipulated rubbish - its called art

Dave

I think we need to define "over processed" to have this conversation.
 
I think we need to define "over processed" to have this conversation.

I doubt one exists - at least a generic agreed one

Your overprocessed is anothers' bland image or vice versa

And even if we generally agree someone will just pop up and call it 'art' then we're stuffed :D

Dave
 
I doubt one exists - at least a generic agreed one

Your overprocessed is anothers' bland image or vice versa

And even if we generally agree someone will just pop up and call it 'art' then we're stuffed :D

Dave

This is the problem with not being able to post up an "example" under the forum rules. I think you may be misinterpreting my idea of "over processed".

To draw a parallel to your example of Dalí, or Ernst, or any other surrealist painter, I would compare that to the work of someone like Red Saunders or Dominic Rouse.. perhaps Rouse more. It's not heavily processed, it's heavily manipulated. I have no issue with that. It was intended to be that, and created with that in mind - the images were created to make a point, or fulfil a purpose. I'm referring to the bland, uninspired shots that have just had their saturation increased to the point of being ridiculous, or run through a bunch of Photoshop filters for no discernible reason and adds nothing to the image.

Difficult to discuss without visual aids :)
 
Indeed

Dave

Irrelevant discussion, your, or the next persons opinion of over processed is irrelevant, the original producer of any work, if they like it, then that's the end of that.

We do stuff that I think is toss, client thinks is great, so that's the end of that, it's great.

However back to the op, the issue today is the lack of "printed" imagery, if there is a catastrophic event and the tinternet goes off, then a massive percentage of the worlds images will disappear.

The photograph due to fact that everyone carries a camera, has lost it's novelty factor.
 
Irrelevant discussion, your, or the next persons opinion of over processed is irrelevant, the original producer of any work, if they like it, then that's the end of that.


If you read the whole post you'd have noticed that I closed with...

At the end of the day, you shoot what you want, and to hell with everyone else. We all have our preferences.

We can still have opinions though.
 
You had no idea exactly what kind of work I was referring to, yet chose to associate your own work with my comments all by yourself without any help from me.

Define over processed?

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Yes, perhaps a leap, but luckily you have provided a further clarification:

"I'm referring to the bland, uninspired shots that have just had their saturation increased to the point of being ridiculous, or run through a bunch of Photoshop filters for no discernible reason and adds nothing to the image.

Difficult to discuss without visual aids"


Here is a visual aid of one of my pictures. I think it probably fits the description above.


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I'm not sure it does actually. This to me has become something else entirely. I can't say it's the kind of work I like, but this is definitely NOT what I was referring to. Being critical I'd say it tends to have a whiff of the photoshop filter about it, but this has gone way beyond mere over processing and become something else.

No.. that's not was I was referring to.
 
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